Revelation 14:6-12 said:http://www.christianforums.com/t7641630-16/#post60102783
God only codified them in Stone at Mt. Sinai. Yet each of the Ten Commandments can be found before Mt. Sinai in the Old Testament... [evidence upon request]
LittleLambofJesus said:Please do provide for me. Thanks...
Born before the Codified Law of Ten Commandments of Mt. Sinai:
Some have said that there was no Law before Mt. Sinai and will quote [Romans 4:15, 5:13-14], but let us look at the texts themselves and see if this be so:
"Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression." [Romans 4:15]
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." [Romans 5:13];
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." [Romans 5:14]
There are many who misapply those verses to teach that the Ten Commandments Law was not known before Mt. Sinai, but those texts do not say such, let us show sin was known, and judgment.
Paul is simply saying that there indeed was transgression before Mt. Sinai and the codification of the Ten Commandments into Stone Tables, for Paul verily shows that there was sin in the world before Mt. Sinai [and since sin, which is transgression [1 John 3:4], there was God's Law to transgress, having sinned in diverse manners], and all are unrighteous [Psalms 14:3, 53:3; Romans 3:10,12].
Paul says that if there were no Law beforehand then there could have been no transgression and no sin, for in order to be a transgressor [sinner], there must of necessity be something such as the Law of God to transgress.
All were under the wrath of God, being "by nature the children of wrath, even as others" [Ephesians 2:3;p] and "condemned already" [John 3:18;p], for the "wrath of God" commeth upon all "the children of disobedience" [Colossians 3:6; Ephesisans 2:2, 5:6;p].
Those who were born before the "written [codified] law in stone tables" entered were still accountable to God, for He had made Adam in His "image" after God's "likeness", and so even as Paul and scripture clearly reveal that there was indeed "sin" [transgression of the law; 1 John 3:4] in the world before Mt. Sinai, and there were those men who knew that to transgress their conscience and resist the Holy Spirit who had continually pled with them, in their heart, was to be greivous sin...
God originally made man in His image, with the law written upon the heart. However, after many hundreds of years and continual transgression:
"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually." [Genesis 6:5]
... it was being lost and erased from the heart of man through that continual transgression and refusal of the Holy Spirit to repent. They continually violated their God-given conscience and they grieved away the Holy Spirit:
"...My spirit shall not always strive with man..." [Genesis 6:3;p]
Thus the tables of stone entered that none may have excuse and the Jews, chosen of by God, were to be the Light in the world, taking His salvation and law to others, but they, even as we, have continaully transgressed and failed.
There are many examples in the accounts of Genesis, before Mt. Sinai, of those who knew what sin was:
"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him." [Genesis 4:7]
"But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." [Genesis 13:13]
"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" [2 Peter 3:4]
"And it was so, when the days of [their] feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings [according] to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually." [Job 1:5];
"In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly." [Job 1:22];
"Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die." [Job 2:9];
"But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips." [Job 2:10]
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." [Genesis 26:5]
"And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;" [Genesis 18:20]
"But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou [art but] a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she [is] a man's wife." [Genesis 20:3];
"But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?" [Genesis 20:4];
"Said he not unto me, She [is] my sister? and she, even she herself said, He [is] my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this." [Genesis 20:5];
"And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her." [Genesis 20:6]
"And Jacob was wroth, and chode with Laban: and Jacob answered and said to Laban, What [is] my trespass? what [is] my sin, that thou hast so hotly pursued after me?" [Genesis 31:36]
"And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them, I have sinned this time: the LORD [is] righteous, and I and my people [are] wicked." [Exodus 9:27];
"And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants." [Exodus 9:34];
"Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron in haste; and he said, I have sinned against the LORD your God, and against you." [Exodus 10:16]
"Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place [such] over them, [to be] rulers of thousands, [and] rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:" [Exodus 18:21]
"Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;" [Hebrews 11:25]
"And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the LORD that healeth thee." [Exodus 15:26]
"Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no." [Exodus 16:4];
"And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?" [Exodus 16:28]
"How long"? This would be such a silly question from God if he had just supposedly gave it to them and they had never ever knew about that commandment before that moment - never ever hearing of the 7th day at all from Genesis onward through the patriarchs [Genesis 18:19; 2 Peter 2:5; etc]?
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." [Romans 5:19]
Think about that text in what it implies in both directions.
Now we can then come to the Ten Commandments and the evidence of their transgression and knowledge before Mt. Sinai...
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