Why would an atheist come to Christ, if not to avoid hell?

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This is somewhat contradictory. One cannot say that Jesus is as powerful as God, but "still just a human." A very obvious part of being human is that we're not gods.
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21 One day when the crowds were being baptized, Jesus himself was baptized. As he was praying, the heavens opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit, in bodily form, descended on him like a dove. And a voice from heaven said, “You are my dearly loved Son, and you bring me great joy.[a
 
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JGG,

If you look for hatred, you shall find it. If you look for Christians hating Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, Agnostics, the man sitting on the street corner with a graceful smile, you shall find it. We all harbor hatred in our hearts; it's in our nature, whether we are Christian, or of any other religion, or group. There's really no shortage of it. As for you're question, an Atheist might to come to Christ because they've exhausted all other options, at least those options which they perceive. They might take a chance and look up and call out to God just to say hello, then go to His word to learn what He wants us to know. There really are no easy answers. Go ask Him. Don't look at us, while we bicker, spewing hatred, sinning. We are unclean.

God bless.
 
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JGG,

If you look for hatred, you shall find it. If you look for Christians hating Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, Agnostics, the man sitting on the street corner with a graceful smile, you shall find it. We all harbor hatred in our hearts; it's in our nature, whether we are Christian, or of any other religion, or group. There's really no shortage of it.

Interesting, I was told not too long ago that Christians are, in fact, incapable of hate. Was someone lying to me?

As for you're question, an Atheist might to come to Christ because they've exhausted all other options, at least those options which they perceive.

Options? Why do I need options?
 
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Interesting, I was told not too long ago that Christians are, in fact, incapable of hate. Was someone lying to me?



John 18:10
Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear.


Mark 8:31-8:33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."


Hatred is sin, and it is quite clear, in Biblical terms, that Christians are capable of sin. Whether they were lying to you, or just misinformed, I do not know. If you continually seek out Christians, and use them as your definition of what it means to be Christ like, you will always find fault. Go to the Bible instead.


Options? Why do I need options?


Options simply persist, like the dirt below our feet and the sun above our head. What options people need or should exploit is really up to them and God.
 
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Why would an atheist come to Christ, if not to avoid hell?
I believe an atheist would come to Christ when they start believing He exists. I don't think they would come to Him for a fear of Hell because to me an atheist is someone who doesn't beleive in any form of religion and since the Bible speaks of Hell, why would an atheist fear it?
Good point :thumbsup:

Young) James 2:19 thou--thou dost believe that God is one; thou dost well, even the demons believe and they shudder!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
The erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity

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Hatred is NOT sin, in and of itself, in fact it is attributed as an emotion of God himself in certain passages (ie, His hatred OF sin), just like Anger is not a sin. It depends on the "object" of the hate and what actions are taken as a result of it.

Psalm 11:5

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5 The LORD examines the righteous and the wicked.
He hates the lover of violence.



Proverbs 6:16

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

16 The LORD hates six things;
in fact, seven are detestable to Him:






Interesting, I was told not too long ago that Christians are, in fact, incapable of hate. Was someone lying to me?

I would RATHER believe the person was misinformed, or better yet, mis-spoke. As Christians, we should be above ACTING on Hate. But feeling Hate an emotional response that you can not be incapable of, as long as you feel emotions.
 
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@JGC and oi_antz
I want to say how much I appreciate your heartfelt and respected discussion. THIS is what all Atheist/Christian debates should be like.

JGC, I DO understand where you speak from, but I have traveled the opposite road. I lived the first 25 years of my life as a rabid atheist, the kind who took a twisted joy in "showing Christians" how many holes were in their faith, and how hypocritical they are. Because most of the people in the town I grew up in, WERE "Sunday Christians", with no fruit in their lives, just going through the motions. Like 90% of the people who claim to be Christians.... they weren't. Anyone who TRULY wants to follow Christ and be what we are called to be, would not have answered questions like that with "Yes, but" or "Yes, because God says to". It should be "Yes, because it's the right thing to do. I will disagree with them about things, but I still love them." I apologize for everyone who has treated you like that, wearing the banner of Christian. I pray that you can let go of that, and to continue your search for truth, as well, as that it will lead you back to Him.
 
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Hatred is NOT sin, in and of itself, in fact it is attributed as an emotion of God himself in certain passages (ie, His hatred OF sin), just like Anger is not a sin. It depends on the "object" of the hate and what actions are taken as a result of it.

That's an important distinction you made between hatred and the object of hatred.

I do believe though hatred can be still construed as sin if we dwell on whatever brings that hatred to fruition, if it's misplaced on anything that's not sin, even if you don't act on it.
 
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I absolutely agree that it can be a stumbling block, just like anger, or any emotion... I think that's why the OT also says that the heart of man is deceitful... we give into emotion instead of balancing between emotion and intellect. But this is a bit of a rabbit trail from the original post...
 
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Why would an atheist come to Christ, if not to avoid hell?
Good point :thumbsup:

Young) James 2:19 thou--thou dost believe that God is one; thou dost well, even the demons believe and they shudder!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
The erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity

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Love that link!

I believe an atheist would come to Christ when they start believing He exists. I don't think they would come to Him for a fear of Hell because to me an atheist is someone who doesn't beleive in any form of religion and since the Bible speaks of Hell, why would an atheist fear it?

Great point! Faith must come before understanding... The bible was written for God's people ~ those who have accepted Christ as their Savior, and received the Holy Spirit to guide us to what is righteous and true.

But, what is the point in teaching an atheist about hell... Is it not more important to teach the LOVE of God, and the awesome LIFE that comes with faith in Christ?

Philemon 1:6
I pray that your partnership with us in the faith may be effective in deepening your understanding of every good thing we share for the sake of Christ.

James 3:17-18
17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.

2 Corinthians 6:3-10
3 We put no stumbling block in anyone’s path, so that our ministry will not be discredited. 4 Rather, as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: in great endurance; in troubles, hardships and distresses; 5 in beatings, imprisonments and riots; in hard work, sleepless nights and hunger; 6 in purity, understanding, patience and kindness; in the Holy Spirit and in sincere love; 7 in truthful speech and in the power of God; with weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left; 8 through glory and dishonor, bad report and good report; genuine, yet regarded as impostors; 9 known, yet regarded as unknown; dying, and yet we live on; beaten, and yet not killed; 10 sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything.


Blessings to all..
 
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Great point! Faith must come before understanding... The bible was written for God's people ~ those who have accepted Christ as their Savior, and received the Holy Spirit to guide us to what is righteous and true.

Truth. But there's also a flip side, and this was key to my transition to a believer. I approached it in a logical, somewhat scientific manner, addressing the issue of why I should believe the Bible and what it said. Historical accuracies, the proof of the prophecies, the astonishing pervasiveness and uniformity of the scripture itself, etc. Once I saw I could trust the book... I began to believe what it said. :)

But, what is the point in teaching an atheist about hell... Is it not more important to teach the LOVE of God, and the awesome LIFE that comes with faith in Christ?

Both are important, but it's worth noting that when preaching to non-believers, Christ himself spoke more of Hell than Heaven and love, combined.

I personally believe fear of hell is a valid reason for coming to Christ, so long as it is sincere, and complete. Saying "Man, I don't want to burn, I guess I'll be a Christian" won't cut it.

On the other hand: "Man, I don't want an eternity of torment, but this Christ guy says he can save me. I want to see what that's about", though, is a valid first step, to be sure.
 
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Great point! Faith must come before understanding...

Why? If faith requires that I believe something that I don't understand then that will simply never, ever happen for me. I cannot put faith into something of which I have no understanding.

Should I have faith that a pinch of salt over my shoulder will bring me luck? That the Loch Ness Monster exists? How about the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

I simply cannot do it, that's precisely how people take advantage of other people.
 
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Why? If faith requires that I believe something that I don't understand then that will simply never, ever happen for me. I cannot put faith into something of which I have no understanding.

Should I have faith that a pinch of salt over my shoulder will bring me luck? That the Loch Ness Monster exists? How about the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

It's not as far-fetched as you might expect. You are actually exercising faith right now. If you are not a complete nervous wreck, then there is at least a small portion of your mind exercising faith in something. It may not be a deity but still...it is in something. There are a few people who have no faith whatsoever and they are all in medical psych wards.

We have a few historical records in support of God and that's it. It's not going to impress a secular scientific committee but then again what would it take? A comprehensive study? What would that study even look like? Has anyone even imagined the proper questions? I don't believe that our civilization is even close to being able to ask the questions, let alone do the study, and surely not even within an eon of confirming a God theory! We are very narcissistic and proud of our material accomplishments thus far but the reality is that we are PATHETIC compared to the vast expanse of the universe and what may even be a multiverse. Then you have God...let's just call it an idea for now. He is the primordial mega-lifeform who is a level beyond even a multiverse in terms of incomprehensible strangeness. A being vastly beyond comprehension somehow becoming a comprehensible human man and dying like an exceptionally unfortunate animal and then somehow resurrecting itself into an immortal form. Forget about proving it. If you just start with the assumption that it happened, how could our pitiful dead-plant devouring civilization even comprehend it if such a strange event were to happen?

Sure nobody can knock you over the head with evidence but we also have to consider the nature of the question and the nature of the object of this faith. It would take a billion years before we could address God at a scientific level. Why should we wait to accept him? Do you have a billion years on Earth to wait for the final verdict? Most of us only have a hundred at most.

I simply cannot do it, that's precisely how people take advantage of other people.

Yes and no. Yes, people get others to have faith in them and then they turn traitor. But NO, God doesn't do that. Even if you just consider the IDEA of a purely benevolent deity, how could anyone go wrong by following such an idea?!
 
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It's not as far-fetched as you might expect. You are actually exercising faith right now. If you are not a complete nervous wreck, then there is at least a small portion of your mind exercising faith in something. It may not be a deity but still...it is in something. There are a few people who have no faith whatsoever and they are all in medical psych wards.

You may have to be more specific. For instance, I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that the moon will wax and wane as it should. However, I have faith in this because I have no reason to believe otherwise. The sun rose today, as it did yesterday, as it did the day before. That's not really faith, that's just reasoning. Harold Camping had faith, look how well that turned out.

We have a few historical records in support of God and that's it. It's not going to impress a secular scientific committee but then again what would it take? A comprehensive study? What would that study even look like? Has anyone even imagined the proper questions? I don't believe that our civilization is even close to being able to ask the questions, let alone do the study, and surely not even within an eon of confirming a God theory! We are very narcissistic and proud of our material accomplishments thus far but the reality is that we are PATHETIC compared to the vast expanse of the universe and what may even be a multiverse. Then you have God...let's just call it an idea for now. He is the primordial mega-lifeform who is a level beyond even a multiverse in terms of incomprehensible strangeness. A being vastly beyond comprehension somehow becoming a comprehensible human man and dying like an exceptionally unfortunate animal and then somehow resurrecting itself into an immortal form.

Ironically, this is approaching my explanation for why I can't believe people when they claim to know even the smallest thing about such a being.

Forget about proving it. If you just start with the assumption that it happened, how could our pitiful dead-plant devouring civilization even comprehend it if such a strange event were to happen?

Why would I start with such an assumption? It's just an arbitrary assumption. Why not start with the assumption that Leonard Nimoy created the universe?

Sure nobody can knock you over the head with evidence but we also have to consider the nature of the question and the nature of the object of this faith. It would take a billion years before we could address God at a scientific level. Why should we wait to accept him? Do you have a billion years on Earth to wait for the final verdict? Most of us only have a hundred at most.

That's not a very good reason for belief in such a being. Especially above any other explanation. Why should I wait to accept that Leonard Nimoy is the great creator? Just because I don't understand it? Just because it doesn't really make sense?

Yes and no. Yes, people get others to have faith in them and then they turn traitor. But NO, God doesn't do that. Even if you just consider the IDEA of a purely benevolent deity, how could anyone go wrong by following such an idea?!

Well, for one, one could be wrong. One could shut themselves off from actual truth because they've already settled on a falsehood. Secondly, I have no reason to believe in God other than that others insist that I must (or suffer eternity in hell).
 
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You may have to be more specific. For instance, I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that the moon will wax and wane as it should. However, I have faith in this because I have no reason to believe otherwise. The sun rose today, as it did yesterday, as it did the day before. That's not really faith, that's just reasoning. Harold Camping had faith, look how well that turned out.

Reason and empiricism are not the same thing. There may be forces in the universe that can cause the sun to not rise tomorrow and maybe even make it go nova. Could happen tomorrow morning although the probability is extremely low according to what we know. But like I said, how much do we know? Not much! We just have an over-inflated opinion of our knowledge. The extent of reason in the statement "the sun will most likely rise tomorrow" is that empirical data indicates that the sun has risen a great many times before. You have no future data, only FAITH that the data trend will not suddenly change as a result of unknown factors.

I was doing a 'controlled' experiment back in my undergrad days. The experiment was very well designed and would have yielded important results. That didn't happen! Little did I know, the polymerase was denatured. So the experimental result was a mess. There was a clear trend generated by past experiments but this one unexpected element ruined the trend. A successful reaction in this case would otherwise have been about as probable as the Sun's gravitation not changing tomorrow. But we cannot foresee all outside influences.

Your belief that the sun will most likely rise tomorrow morning has more to do with faith than reason.

Reason is something entirely different. 2+2=4 is reason. A philosophical argument is reason. Empiricism is "the sky is blue" or in this case "the sun has risen many times before".

Ironically, this is approaching my explanation for why I can't believe people when they claim to know even the smallest thing about such a being.

and you would be absolutely correct. We know nothing about the physical nature of God and anyone who claims to know it is a fool and a false prophet.

Why would I start with such an assumption? It's just an arbitrary assumption. Why not start with the assumption that Leonard Nimoy created the universe?

Assuming for the sake of the argument. Have you ever studied philosophy?

That's not a very good reason for belief in such a being. Especially above any other explanation. Why should I wait to accept that Leonard Nimoy is the great creator? Just because I don't understand it? Just because it doesn't really make sense?

I said nothing whatsoever about why you SHOULD believe. My entire argument was about why faith isn't that far-fetched. Did I say something that sounded like an argument for God's existence? I'm looking through my original statement and can't find anything resembling that.

Well, for one, one could be wrong. One could shut themselves off from actual truth because they've already settled on a falsehood. Secondly, I have no reason to believe in God other than that others insist that I must (or suffer eternity in hell).

You don't go to hell for not believing in God's empirical properties. Even the apostles were sometimes unable to believe and Jesus was two feet away from them!

Your salvation is the easiest thing in the world. The only thing you need to do is NOT HATE CHRIST. That's it! The thief dying on the cross next to Jesus was probably choosing him out of desperation. We have no proof that he believed all the hype in any absolute sense. Maybe he only heard one sermon but it doesn't matter! He was saved simply for having the will and the heart to honestly choose! Sadly, this very simple thing is very difficult for much of the world. Probably because many Christians have not been doing a very good job of explaining the simplicity of the Gospel. God doesn't care about what theories you hold in your head about reality, only that you have knowledge of your own sins and have genuine repentance. Absolutely everyone has done something less than the standard of perfect virtue at some point in their lives. The only things you need to do is accept that Christ has covered your sins, to know the spirit of true virtue, and to honestly desire that standard.

Christ did not come to form a new religion. There will be a great many non-Christians in heaven but there won't be anyone who doesn't have the holy spirit of Christ.

The Christian walk is the most difficult thing in the world but salvation is the easiest. If salvation was difficult, Christ's sacrifice would have been less than perfect!
 
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Reason and empiricism are not the same thing. There may be forces in the universe that can cause the sun to not rise tomorrow and maybe even make it go nova. Could happen tomorrow morning although the probability is extremely low according to what we know. But like I said, how much do we know? Not much! We just have an over-inflated opinion of our knowledge. The extent of reason in the statement "the sun will most likely rise tomorrow" is that empirical data indicates that the sun has risen a great many times before. You have no future data, only FAITH that the data trend will not suddenly change as a result of unknown factors.

I was doing a 'controlled' experiment back in my undergrad days. The experiment was very well designed and would have yielded important results. That didn't happen! Little did I know, the polymerase was denatured. So the experimental result was a mess. There was a clear trend generated by past experiments but this one unexpected element ruined the trend. A successful reaction in this case would otherwise have been about as probable as the Sun's gravitation not changing tomorrow. But we cannot foresee all outside influences.

That's still not faith. That's making a reasoned assumption based on probability, experience, and the information in front of me. I said that the sun would rise again this morning (guess what? it did!). The information at my disposal is that the sun rises every morning, and has for at least the expanse of my lifetime thus far. There is no reason to imagine that the sun would not have risen this morning.

Your belief that the sun will most likely rise tomorrow morning has more to do with faith than reason.

No. It's still reason. You're pointing out that we don't necessarily have all of the information. Fair enough. But we have lots of evidence that the sun will rise yet again tomorrow, and absolutely none that suggests that it will not. There may be information out there that says that the sun will go nova sometime tonight. I do not have that information, so I'm not taking it into account. If you feel that it's so unlikely that the sun will come up tomorrow, then I challenge you to a bet. I'm betting that the sun will rise again tomorrow. Do you want to bet against me?

How is faith different from reason? How is faith in God the same as faith that the sun will rise tomorrow?

and you would be absolutely correct. We know nothing about the physical nature of God and anyone who claims to know it is a fool and a false prophet.

I'm not speaking about the physical nature of God, I'm speaking about the general nature of such a being as well.

Assuming for the sake of the argument. Have you ever studied philosophy?

It still begs the question. You cannot rest your premise on "for the sake of argument."

I said nothing whatsoever about why you SHOULD believe. My entire argument was about why faith isn't that far-fetched. Did I say something that sounded like an argument for God's existence? I'm looking through my original statement and can't find anything resembling that.

Yeah but look at the nature of the thread.

You don't go to hell for not believing in God's empirical properties. Even the apostles were sometimes unable to believe and Jesus was two feet away from them!

Your salvation is the easiest thing in the world. The only thing you need to do is NOT HATE CHRIST. That's it! The thief dying on the cross next to Jesus was probably choosing him out of desperation. We have no proof that he believed all the hype in any absolute sense. Maybe he only heard one sermon but it doesn't matter! He was saved simply for having the will and the heart to honestly choose! Sadly, this very simple thing is very difficult for much of the world. Probably because many Christians have not been doing a very good job of explaining the simplicity of the Gospel. God doesn't care about what theories you hold in your head about reality, only that you have knowledge of your own sins and have genuine repentance. Absolutely everyone has done something less than the standard of perfect virtue at some point in their lives. The only things you need to do is accept that Christ has covered your sins, to know the spirit of true virtue, and to honestly desire that standard.

Christ did not come to form a new religion. There will be a great many non-Christians in heaven but there won't be anyone who doesn't have the holy spirit of Christ.

The Christian walk is the most difficult thing in the world but salvation is the easiest. If salvation was difficult, Christ's sacrifice would have been less than perfect!

I think you'll find that Christians will disagree with that.
 
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That's still not faith. That's making a reasoned assumption based on probability, experience, and the information in front of me. I said that the sun would rise again this morning (guess what? it did!). The information at my disposal is that the sun rises every morning, and has for at least the expanse of my lifetime thus far. There is no reason to imagine that the sun would not have risen this morning.

I have already explained the basic idea of why high probability is not enough. I have also explained the difference between reason and empiricism. If you want to deny my statement then you have to explain why high probability based on the sample provided by the extent of human knowledge is sufficient. You aren't actually explaining it here, just repeating in different words what you said before. You're saying that the sun has always risen before so "there is no reason to imagine that the sun would not have risen this morning". First off, there is a reason to imagine because I have imagined a region beyond the extent of current knowledge ;) This is also the first step in any experiment. You have to know that something is unknown before you even feel the need to find that unknown. Secondly, "sun would not have risen this morning" is not future tense. We're talking about tomorrow morning, not this morning. You don't need much of any faith to believe that the sun has risen this morning unless you have memory loss ;)

The debate can't go forward unless both sides use logic to nitpick the premises. Otherwise it just drags on forever in an endless cycle of contradictions.

I'll give you an example of a simple argumentative debate:

Person 1:
A: The sun has always risen in the morning
B: If something has always happened every morning then it will surely happen tomorrow morning
C: Therefore, the sun will rise tomorrow morning

Person 2:
A: Yes, the sun has always risen in the morning
B: No, something has always happened in past mornings but tomorrow is not yet known
C: Therefore, it is not yet known if the sun will rise tomorrow morning

This is an example of a contradictory debate:

Person1:

A: Yes it will!

Person2:

A: No it will not!

Person1:

A: Yes it will!

Guess which type of debate we were having? Guess why it can't go forward?
 
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