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It appears to me that you're trying to discredit and deny the truth. It is either true or it is false. It doesn't matter where the priesthood is located. It does matter that it changed. So you must throw out one or the other to promote your idea. Both won't work. I chose to accept Heb 7:12 as the truth and it completely destroys your argument about Mat 5:17-18.

Taken from this site:

http://www.british-israel.ca/SabbathRefute.htm

27.If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?

" For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." The author here is taking it totally out of context.

Here is where the author's repeated in Hebrews citation of Psalm 110:4 becomes of crucial importance. God declared the words "'You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek' " (RSV) long after the giving of the law. As Leon Morris puts it, "that God spoke through David about the Melchizedekian priesthood, while the Aaronic priesthood was a going concern, shows that the priests of the line of Aaron could not accomplish what a priesthood aimed at" (Morris, p. 66). In short, the Levitical priesthood had not replaced that of Melchizedek. To the contrary, the Melchizedekian was not only older than the Levitical, but would supersede it.

But what about the law
? Didn't it specifically say that only the sons of Aaron could be priests? That's true. And that is why Hebrews 7:12 claims that "when there is a change of the priesthood, there is of necessity a change of law also." The context makes it plain that verse 12 speaks not about a change of law in general, but only a modification in the stipulation that the only valid priest had to be a son of Aaron through the flesh (cf. 7:16)


At this point the author is very careful. He does not reject the law in his presentation, but notes that Scripture itself actually speaks about two types of priesthood (7:11). The law of Moses established a priesthood passed down from the descendants of Levi, but Psalm 110:4 speaks about a priest like Melchizedek who did not belong to that tribe. With that in mind, Hebrews 7:11 asks: "If perfection had been through the Levitical priesthood .... what further need was there for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek [Ps. 110:4] rather than after the order of Aaron?"

Thus on the issue of priestly succession, Hebrews has laid out a firm Old Testament case [Not New Testament] for superceding the law on that one specific point (7:11-14). Christ qualifies as priest even though He is from the royal tribe of Judah But that actually has its own appropriateness, since Melchizedek Was not only God's priest but also a king of Salem (7:1; Gen. 14:18). In the New Testament Christ is also both King and High Priest. Melchizedek foreshadowed Him in both realms. (from Exploring Hebrews, by George Knight, p.123).

"New Commandment" ? Read this article. Did Jesus mean he did away with the 10 commandments?
 
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What do you think of this English translation.
Why then the (Levitical) Law? It was placed beside (The Torah) for the sake of transgressions, until the Seed should come, to whom it had been promised, being given by promise in a mediator's hand.

(The Mediator was the Levitical priesthood after the golden calf incident)

crazy? :)
Not much as in poorly and very poorly. Why? I personally don't think it compares well at all to the KJV of evn a few others. I'm really not in the mood to show you what I mean. If you're personally interested there are several sites with multiple Bibles and some even include quite a few languages.
 
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Your flawed understanding of flawed has come up with a flawed way of responding to flawed argument .
I needed a chuckle. So tell ya what - how does a 1,000 blessings sound for each flawed you used?
Well the blessing system seem to be down so I just repped ya.
 
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Have you ever thought about the fact that He was a priest LONG before the Levitical priesthood was temporarily given their profession?

Who was the priest present in Abel and Noah's offering?
He was a priest according to Melchizedek before the Levites were even given that temporary 'office'.

By you saying that any least of God's commandments have passed away you are calling Messiah a liar in Matthew 5:18 on two counts.
1. Heaven and earth have yet to pass away (Rev 21:1)
2. ALL things have not yet been accomplished. (Acts 3:18-21)
Oh really? IOW show proof.
 
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Would yo please pretty please explane to me how make a new covenant is not according to to the covenant made with their fathers?

Ok, if you will please consider...

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: Exodus 19:5

A covenant is an agreement between two or more parties.

God said, "...IF ye will obey, and keep my covenant, THEN..."

The terms of the agreement were based upon the Ten Commandments, the moral standard of God's eternal Kingdom, and the promises of life, and blessings of it only to be given ""if", "then", but if not, then death, evil, cursings.

The peoples said, in their own strength, "...we will do...", but they did not, even right at the start - golden calf, etc. So were the Ten Commandments then null and void, or did God set His righteousness before them again?

Old Covenant:

And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. Exodus 19:8

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. Exodus 24:7

Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [it], and do [it]. Deuteronomy 5:27

"all... we will do."

New Covenant:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:31

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jeremiah 31:32

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Ezekiel 36:26

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. Ezekiel 36:27

"I will put... I will write..."

The 'old covenant' that the "fathers" made with God was "we will do", but God found fault with their faulty promises, found fault with the them, the peoples. This was why God saiod that there was need of better promises, his own promises.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hebrews 8:6

For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hebrews 8:7

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Hebrews 8:8

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Hebrews 8:9

For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Hebrews 8:10

This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hebrews 10:16

Therefore the New Covenant is not based upon our faulty promsies [as the rewards of the old covenant was based upon their fulfilling it in their strength], but now rather by His faithful promises. These are still based upon conditions, If, then,... For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast. [Ephesians 2:8-9...] and yet it continues by saying, because it is of "faith", by his grace, we must choose to believe His Promises to write His law in our hearts, to make of us the new creature, to re-create us, and to make anew the image of God. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. [Ephesians 2:10]

If only ye will believe that Christ Jesus can recreate you, and that He will write His eternal law in your heart, so that because of this, you will desire to obey Him in His Commandments.

If only, people will take hold of the True and Everlasting Gospel, God is Mighty to save, and believe that "...he shall save his people from their sins. " [Matthew 1:21;p]

If only, people, so named after Christ, will believe, "...him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 1:24;p

The Everlasting Gospel is ever so much more than merely salvation from "the wrath of God"... [that is only half of the Gospel], for He is able to save us from temptation and sinning, and it is by His loving Grace which is the Awesome Power to live the new and resurrected Life in Christ Jesus, walking in the Law of the Lord from a heart atoned with God.

God is true and faithful, whether men are so or not... look unto Christ and believe...
 
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Ok, if you will please consider...

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: Exodus 19:5

A covenant is an agreement between two or more parties.

God said, "...IF ye will obey, and keep my covenant, THEN..."

The terms of the agreement were based upon the Ten Commandments, the moral standard of God's eternal Kingdom, and the promises of life, and blessings of it only to be given ""if", "then", but if not, then death, evil, cursings.

The peoples said, in their own strength, "...we will do...", but they did not, even right at the start - golden calf, etc. So were the Ten Commandments then null and void, or did God set His righteousness before them again?

Old Covenant:

And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. Exodus 19:8

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. Exodus 24:7

Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [it], and do [it]. Deuteronomy 5:27

"all... we will do."

New Covenant:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:31

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jeremiah 31:32

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Ezekiel 36:26

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. Ezekiel 36:27

"I will put... I will write..."

The 'old covenant' that the "fathers" made with God was "we will do", but God found fault with their faulty promises, found fault with the them, the peoples. This was why God saiod that there was need of better promises, his own promises.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hebrews 8:6

For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hebrews 8:7

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Hebrews 8:8

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Hebrews 8:9

For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Hebrews 8:10

This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hebrews 10:16

Therefore the New Covenant is not based upon our faulty promsies [as the rewards of the old covenant was based upon their fulfilling it in their strength], but now rather by His faithful promises. These are still based upon conditions, If, then,... For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast. [Ephesians 2:8-9...] and yet it continues by saying, because it is of "faith", by his grace, we must choose to believe His Promises to write His law in our hearts, to make of us the new creature, to re-create us, and to make anew the image of God. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. [Ephesians 2:10]

If only ye will believe that Christ Jesus can recreate you, and that He will write His eternal law in your heart, so that because of this, you will desire to obey Him in His Commandments.

If only, people will take hold of the True and Everlasting Gospel, God is Mighty to save, and believe that "...he shall save his people from their sins. " [Matthew 1:21;p]

If only, people, so named after Christ, will believe, "...him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 1:24;p

The Everlasting Gospel is ever so much more than merely salvation from "the wrath of God"... [that is only half of the Gospel], for He is able to save us from temptation and sinning, and it is by His loving Grace which is the Awesome Power to live the new and resurrected Life in Christ Jesus, walking in the Law of the Lord from a heart atoned with God.

God is true and faithful, whether men are so or not... look unto Christ and believe...

Beautiful, yet powerful post Revelation 14:6-12. Thanks for sharing! :)
 
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I raise you Romans 14, in where it says you should not judge another man over his food or whatever day he may worship on. This is the freedom Christ Jesus gave - not the law

Romans 14 is not talking about the Moral Law of Ten Commandments, nor is it talking about the 4th Commandment Sabbath.

The issue is in relation to various Holidays of the Gentiles and the Jews--days that "men esteem".

The issue in Romans 14 has nothing to do with which day "God esteems"--that's already settled "in stone". The issue in Romans 14 has to do with which days "men esteem".

God esteems the 7th-Day Sabbath Commandment.

Also, keep in mind that it makes no sense whatsoever for Paul to have included the 4th commandment Sabbath.

Notice that the Jews never took issue with Paul regarding the 4th commandment Sabbath.

What did the Jews always complain about with Paul? That he no longer believed in circumcision and keeping the "laws of Moses".

Let me remind you that the Sabbath was regarded as MUCH MORE IMPORTANT and SACRED to the Jew than circumcision. The Sabbath was the "sign" of Israel.

Had Paul even slightly intimated that the 4th commandment Sabbath had been abolished (the LARGEST of the Ten Commandments), you can be sure that there would have been an OUTCRY that would have BURST across ALL of Asia Minor AND the West that Paul was a desecrater of the Sabbath, and the "breaking of the Sabbath" would have been their chief concern! Circumcision would have been put down the list among their concerns.

Jews everywhere would have been ripping their garments apart cursing Paul for his desecration and denial of the Sabbath.

But no--none of the Jewish Sanhedrin or other Jewish leaders ever take concern that Paul broke the Sabbath. Why? Because Paul KEPT the Sabbath---"as his manner was" (Acts 17:2).
 
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Taken from this site:

http://www.british-israel.ca/SabbathRefute.htm

27.If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?

" For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." The author here is taking it totally out of context.

Here is where the author's repeated in Hebrews citation of Psalm 110:4 becomes of crucial importance. God declared the words "'You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek' " (RSV) long after the giving of the law. As Leon Morris puts it, "that God spoke through David about the Melchizedekian priesthood, while the Aaronic priesthood was a going concern, shows that the priests of the line of Aaron could not accomplish what a priesthood aimed at" (Morris, p. 66). In short, the Levitical priesthood had not replaced that of Melchizedek. To the contrary, the Melchizedekian was not only older than the Levitical, but would supersede it.

But what about the law? Didn't it specifically say that only the sons of Aaron could be priests? That's true. And that is why Hebrews 7:12 claims that "when there is a change of the priesthood, there is of necessity a change of law also." The context makes it plain that verse 12 speaks not about a change of law in general, but only a modification in the stipulation that the only valid priest had to be a son of Aaron through the flesh (cf. 7:16)

At this point the author is very careful. He does not reject the law in his presentation, but notes that Scripture itself actually speaks about two types of priesthood (7:11). The law of Moses established a priesthood passed down from the descendants of Levi, but Psalm 110:4 speaks about a priest like Melchizedek who did not belong to that tribe. With that in mind, Hebrews 7:11 asks: "If perfection had been through the Levitical priesthood .... what further need was there for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek [Ps. 110:4] rather than after the order of Aaron?"

Thus on the issue of priestly succession, Hebrews has laid out a firm Old Testament case [Not New Testament] for superceding the law on that one specific point (7:11-14). Christ qualifies as priest even though He is from the royal tribe of Judah But that actually has its own appropriateness, since Melchizedek Was not only God's priest but also a king of Salem (7:1; Gen. 14:18). In the New Testament Christ is also both King and High Priest. Melchizedek foreshadowed Him in both realms. (from Exploring Hebrews, by George Knight, p.123).

"New Commandment" ? Read this article. Did Jesus mean he did away with the 10 commandments?
OK not that I've recovered some composure and control of my emotions I start answering this post.

First I'd like to say I've read the complete Bible several times. This includes more than one version. I personally have 11 hard versions. I have access to prolly 25 more just in English.

Second I'm aware that your church teaches British Isrealism now called replacement theology a ver accurate discription.

I'm flat out insulted by this quote from your site. Have you or its author read the Bible? The sabbath can't change. Now where does this idea come from? Does this guy or you read the Bible? God promised the sabbath would cease in Hosea 2:11. God promised the covenant would be replaced with a new one not according to the old one in Jer 31:31-33.It isn't God that changes, it is His plan of redemption that is built little by little which I'll address with a quote.

What does new in the Jeremiah reference mean?

What does not according to mean?

God can't change? My that is funny. Frogster would go bah ha ha gagga bah ha ha. ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^:D:D:D And I'd agree hook line and sinker. First of all the verse cited says that God changes not? Then is Jeremiah a false prophet? Is Hosea a false prophet? Is Joel a false prophet? Is Isaiah a false prophet? Sure seems that a lot of the OT Scripture is being thrown out.

I've already hit up 2 of the 4 and would like to get one more - Isaiah from which I'll quote - 10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little. I witness this very thing about one of your pets from the stone tablets as I read the Book of the Law. It isn't God that changes. It is His program or plan of revealing and providing salvation. Really is a very interesting study. Oh the details. Unfortunately a discussion would consume more than several posts and would be much more like a full lenght book.

The point about the priesthood is way off. It doesn't matter one little twit if Melchizedek was a priest before or after. The fact is the Levites were the priesthood according to the law. And that is what we're talking about. The deal is that the priesthood changed again if you wish to include Melchizedek. Jesus is neither from the tribe of Levi nor Melchizedek. The law makes the Levites the priesthood and Jesus is from the tribe of Judah. This makes Jesus (God) a sinner according to the law or the law is changed. Take your pick.
 
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Ok, if you will please consider...

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: Exodus 19:5

A covenant is an agreement between two or more parties.

God said, "...IF ye will obey, and keep my covenant, THEN..."

The terms of the agreement were based upon the Ten Commandments, the moral standard of God's eternal Kingdom, and the promises of life, and blessings of it only to be given ""if", "then", but if not, then death, evil, cursings.

The peoples said, in their own strength, "...we will do...", but they did not, even right at the start - golden calf, etc. So were the Ten Commandments then null and void, or did God set His righteousness before them again?

Old Covenant:

And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. Exodus 19:8

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. Exodus 24:7

Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [it], and do [it]. Deuteronomy 5:27

"all... we will do."

New Covenant:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:31

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jeremiah 31:32

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Ezekiel 36:26

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. Ezekiel 36:27

"I will put... I will write..."

The 'old covenant' that the "fathers" made with God was "we will do", but God found fault with their faulty promises, found fault with the them, the peoples. This was why God saiod that there was need of better promises, his own promises.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hebrews 8:6

For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hebrews 8:7

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Hebrews 8:8

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Hebrews 8:9

For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Hebrews 8:10

This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hebrews 10:16

Therefore the New Covenant is not based upon our faulty promsies [as the rewards of the old covenant was based upon their fulfilling it in their strength], but now rather by His faithful promises. These are still based upon conditions, If, then,... For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast. [Ephesians 2:8-9...] and yet it continues by saying, because it is of "faith", by his grace, we must choose to believe His Promises to write His law in our hearts, to make of us the new creature, to re-create us, and to make anew the image of God. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. [Ephesians 2:10]

If only ye will believe that Christ Jesus can recreate you, and that He will write His eternal law in your heart, so that because of this, you will desire to obey Him in His Commandments.

If only, people will take hold of the True and Everlasting Gospel, God is Mighty to save, and believe that "...he shall save his people from their sins. " [Matthew 1:21;p]

If only, people, so named after Christ, will believe, "...him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 1:24;p

The Everlasting Gospel is ever so much more than merely salvation from "the wrath of God"... [that is only half of the Gospel], for He is able to save us from temptation and sinning, and it is by His loving Grace which is the Awesome Power to live the new and resurrected Life in Christ Jesus, walking in the Law of the Lord from a heart atoned with God.

God is true and faithful, whether men are so or not... look unto Christ and believe...
Oh my talk about confused. I read most of the post into the part about the new covenant. I'll just say your faith icon explains a lot. But I will ask to whom was the covenant issued at Sinai given to? (Hint - Deut 5:1-3)
 
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Romans 14 is not talking about the Moral Law of Ten Commandments, nor is it talking about the 4th Commandment Sabbath.

The issue is in relation to various Holidays of the Gentiles and the Jews--days that "men esteem".

The issue in Romans 14 has nothing to do with which day "God esteems"--that's already settled "in stone". The issue in Romans 14 has to do with which days "men esteem".

God esteems the 7th-Day Sabbath Commandment.

Also, keep in mind that it makes no sense whatsoever for Paul to have included the 4th commandment Sabbath.

Notice that the Jews never took issue with Paul regarding the 4th commandment Sabbath.

What did the Jews always complain about with Paul? That he no longer believed in circumcision and keeping the "laws of Moses".

Let me remind you that the Sabbath was regarded as MUCH MORE IMPORTANT and SACRED to the Jew than circumcision. The Sabbath was the "sign" of Israel.

Had Paul even slightly intimated that the 4th commandment Sabbath had been abolished (the LARGEST of the Ten Commandments), you can be sure that there would have been an OUTCRY that would have BURST across ALL of Asia Minor AND the West that Paul was a desecrater of the Sabbath, and the "breaking of the Sabbath" would have been their chief concern! Circumcision would have been put down the list among their concerns.

Jews everywhere would have been ripping their garments apart cursing Paul for his desecration and denial of the Sabbath.

But no--none of the Jewish Sanhedrin or other Jewish leaders ever take concern that Paul broke the Sabbath. Why? Because Paul KEPT the Sabbath---"as his manner was" (Acts 17:2).
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Oh my talk about confused. I read most of the post into the part about the new covenant. I'll just say your faith icon explains a lot. But I will ask to whom was the covenant issued at Sinai given to? (Hint - Deut 5:1-3)

...I also will ask you ..., which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you...

Who is Israel of Hosea 11:1 and Matthew 2:15?

With whom was the New Covenant specifically to be made with in Jeremiah 31:31-33, and as recited in Hebrews 8:8-10, 10:16?
 
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So it is good to rest on the sabbath and it is also good to do good on the sabbath.
Condemnation is only for those against Gods goodness. As it is written, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Phillippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

It is always appropriate to do the good that God works through us. Let God rule in us to do as He wills and keep our mind on pleasing God in every goodness that God works through us, without condemnation. It is always good to do the good that God works through His own. It is always good to accept Gods love and have God work freely in us.
 
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Since you claim to sin , you admit that you do not do "God's commandments" . Why don't you ?

If you seriously just said that....

Then I'm sorry to tell you but you have no earthly clue what it means to "keep God's commandments".

If you seriously think it means to NEVER again in your life ever break a single commandment or else you're screwed...

It all makes sense now.
No WONDER you fight so hard against wanting to "attempt to obey God's Instructions".

It's because you think you would never be able to perfectly keep them.
Got it.
 
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OK not that I've recovered some composure and control of my emotions I start awnswering this post.

First I'd like to say I've read the complete Bible several times. This includes more than one version. I personally have 11 hard versions. I have access to prolly 25 more just in English.
Make sure you have some Greek and Hebrew Bibles at hand too.

God promised the sabbath would cease in Hosea 2:11.
Pray tell me when this Sabbath "ceasing" came to pass.
 
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