Sarkozy - "The Islamic faith has nothing to do with the motivations of this man"

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Why is it that every time a Muslim flies a plane into an office block, or blows up a bus or shoots a few random pedestrians, a politician comes out with same line. Why is it so difficult for our politicians (and some of you) to accept that these people are taking their instructions to kill from their God, the God of their Quran?

There's an elephant in the room and everybody is pretending it's not there!

Here are just some of the verses of the Quran (God's words) ordering hatred, division, violence and murder.

2:216; 2:217; 2:191; 3:28; 3:118; 3:151; 3:152; 4:84; 4:74; 4:76-77; 4:88-91; 4:95-96; 8:1; 4:75; 4:139; 4:144; 4:51; 5:33; 5:36; 5:51; 5:54; 5:55; 5:57; 5:80; 6:159; 8:12; 8:12-17; 8:30; 8:38-39; 8:60; 8:73; 8:41; 9:16; 9:30; 9:5; 9:29; 9:123; 9:111; 9:38-39; 9:44-45; 13:35; 17:16; 33:64; 42:40-43; 47:4 40:25; 47:4; 47:4; 48:17; 60:1; 60:10; 62:6; 63:7; 66:9 and others


2:216. Fighting is prescribed For you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible That ye dislike a thing Which is good for you, And that ye love a thing Which is bad for you. But God knoweth,
And ye know not
 

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Why is it that every time a Christian blows up an abortion clinic, or bombs a gay bar, or shoots a doctor that performs abortions in the head, clergy comes out with same line. Why is it so difficult for our politicians (and some of you) to accept that these people are taking their instructions to kill from their God, the God of their Bible?

There's an elephant in the room and everybody is pretending it's not there!
 
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Why is it that every time a Christian blows up an abortion clinic, or bombs a gay bar, or shoots a doctor that performs abortions in the head, clergy comes out with same line. Why is it so difficult for our politicians (and some of you) to accept that these people are taking their instructions to kill from their God, the God of their Bible?

There's an elephant in the room and everybody is pretending it's not there!
Thanks, beat me to it.
 
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Why is it that every time a Christian blows up an abortion clinic, or bombs a gay bar, !

Indeed but at what point does it turn from being a rare event perpetrated by an odd lunatic with a distorted view of reality to being so many events committed by so many people that it takes the situation to that which can be explained as an event of one deranged individual? Surely there comes a point where sheer numbers of events take away the excuse that it is rogue individuals.
 
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Why is it that every time a Christian blows up an abortion clinic . . . . . There's an elephant in the room and everybody is pretending it's not there!

Can you produce the words of Jesus Christ advocating division, hate and violence by Christians to non Christians to match the verses I list above delivered by Muhammad's God for the instruction of Muslims?
 
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Can you produce the words of Jesus Christ advocating division, hate and violence by Christians to non Christians to match the verses I list above delivered by Muhammad's God for the instruction of Muslims?
Top 10 Violent Bible Verses

10. 2 Kings 2:23-24

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)



9. Exodus 32:27-29

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)


8. 2 Chronicles 25:12

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)


7. Judges 12:5-6

Then the Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever one of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead would say to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” When he said, “No” they said to him, “Then say Shibboleth” and he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it right. Then they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand of the Ephraimites fell at that time. (NRSV)


6. 1 Kings 20:28-30

Then a man of God came and spoke to the king of Israel, and said, “Thus says the LORD: 'Because the Syrians have said, “The LORD is God of the hills, but He is not God of the valleys,” therefore I will deliver all this great multitude into your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.’” And they encamped opposite each other for seven days.
So it was that on the seventh day the battle was joined; and the children of Israel killed one hundred thousand foot soldiers of the Syrians in one day. But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; then a wall fell on twenty-seven thousand of the men who were left. (NKJV)


5. Joshua 8:24-26

When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)


4. Deuteronomy 2:32-34

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)


3. Deuteronomy 3:3-6

So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)


2. 1 Samuel 15:3,8

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)


1. Hosea 13:16

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)
 
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Indeed but at what point does it turn from being a rare event perpetrated by an odd lunatic with a distorted view of reality to being so many events committed by so many people that it takes the situation to that which can be explained as an event of one deranged individual? Surely there comes a point where sheer numbers of events take away the excuse that it is rogue individuals.

When Christians do it, they're lone nuts. When Muslims do it, its because their entire religion is violent and evil. Convenient
 
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One of the wisest things President George W. Bush ever did was his post-9/11 remarks about Islam and terrorism that tried to quash the hatred, bigotry and small-mindeness that would inevitably break out in some quarters after such a horrible event.

Post-9/11 there were two young girls in the D.C. area who were Americans or Persian descent and Baha'is who were assaulted because "they must be horrible Arab Muslim terrorists!"

My neighbor, who is of Mexican descent, was similarly harassed because people blinded by hatred apparently can't be bothered to try and tell the difference between a Mexican and an Arab either.

It's just = brown = Arab = terrorist for people whose heart is that black and whose mind is so veiled by hatred.

There is no excuse for the actions of this Frenchman of Algerian descent.

But if Sarkozy is acting like a responsible HUMAN to try to protect innocents from bigots who want to stir up hatred and foment riots, I say:

Good for him!
 
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When Christians do it, they're lone nuts. When Muslims do it, its because their entire religion is violent and evil. Convenient

If the entire religion of Islam and Muslims were as violent as some of here like to imagine, we'd be having World War III now, and we're not.
 
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If the entire religion of Islam and Muslims were as violent as some of here like to imagine, we'd be having World War III now, and we're not.

Watch this space for the claim that the "War on Terror" IS the third world war.
 
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Surely there comes a point where sheer numbers of events take away the excuse that it is rogue individuals.

Given the world has more than 1.5 billion Muslims according to the Pew Forum...
 
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Watch this space for the claim that the "War on Terror" IS the third world war.

Oh, if past is truly prologue, I'm fairly certain someone here will go there.

If so, they are tragically unacquainted with military history from the past few centuries.

But considering the current cultural climate of demagogery in political discourse combined with what is commonly called "the failure of public education", I guess we should expect that sort of thing.

:D Maybe I should talk now about our decision to home school our younger child, so she would have time to actually learn something about history and civics, among other important topics. Well, maybe not.
 
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I suspect the response will be that Jesus said none of these things.
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
 
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I suspect the response will be that Jesus said none of these things.

Probably, and it would be correct to say so.

But it wouldn't be hard to post plenty of statements on the part of religious leaders in Christendom over the past 2000 years, or even just recently, that encourage Christians to be violent to peaceful non-Christians, and which include Biblical references (twisted interpretations though they may be).

We can start maybe with a particular Christian reaction to the Black Death, which was to blame the Jews, because um...that's rational I guess when you haven't discovered germ theory yet... :confused:

There was a reason so many Jews were in living in Warsaw to be killed by Nazis centuries later. They didn't move there just for the weather.

And by the time we get to today, there's the pastor Dennis Terry and his recent introduction of a Presidential candidate. (look it up on YouTube)

I believe he said we non-Christians can just leave the U.S. if we don't like it here, among other things.*

Wow, well that's really Constitutional, patriotic, and kind to all the non-Christian Americans like me who were born here and have been quite happy to live side by side with Christians in peace, and work with them to assist those in need when it makes sense to do that. :doh:

But I'm not stupid enough to hold up one stupid pastor as if he speaks for all of Christianity or for Christ or claim his view of the Gospel message has anything to do with what's actually in the Bible or even represents what most of my fellow Christians in this country think.


*And someone is seriously worried about the imposition of Islamic religious law in this country? This pastor wants a Christian "sharia" and his ilk are actually getting some of it. Or at least their extremist idea of it. Go figure.
 
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And by the time we get to today, there's the pastor here and his recent introduction of a Presidential candidate. I believe he said we non-Christians can just leave the U.S. if we don't like it here, among other things.*

You saw that too, eh? Santorum also was on Bryan Fisher's show for an interview. You know Bryan Fisher; the spokesman for the American Family Association (designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center) who regularly rages against Muslims, liberals, women, and homosexuals.

When someone is a serious candidate for office of the president of the United States, you can't dismiss these people as crazy, peripheral Christians anymore.
 
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My question:

Can you produce the words of Jesus Christ advocating division, hate and violence by Christians to non Christians to match the verses I list above delivered by Muhammad's God for the instruction of Muslims?

Your answer:

10. 2 Kings 2:23-24
9. Exodus 32:27-29
8. 2 Chronicles 25:12
7. Judges 12:5-6
6. 1 Kings 20:28-30
5. Joshua 8:24-26
4. Deuteronomy 2:32-34
3. Deuteronomy 3:3-6
2. 1 Samuel 15:3,8
1. Hosea 13:16

PATHETIC!

Read your copy of the Quran: Verses 2:216; 2:217; 2:191; 3:28; 3:118; 3:151; 3:152; 4:84; 4:74; 4:76-77; 4:88-91; 4:95-96; 8:1; 4:75; 4:139; 4:144; 4:51; 5:33; 5:36; 5:51; 5:54; 5:55; 5:57; 5:80; 6:159; 8:12; 8:12-17; 8:30; 8:38-39; 8:60; 8:73; 8:41; 9:16; 9:30; 9:5; 9:29; 9:123; 9:111; 9:38-39; 9:44-45; 13:35; 17:16; 33:64; 42:40-43; 47:4 40:25; 47:4; 47:4; 48:17; 60:1; 60:10; 62:6; 63:7; 66:9 and others
 
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My question:

Can you produce the words of Jesus Christ advocating division, hate and violence by Christians to non Christians to match the verses I list above delivered by Muhammad's God for the instruction of Muslims?

We're not allowed to criticize Christianity even if we only quote the Bible.

But you can look up the skepticsAnnotatedBible and see a breakdown of all the passages involving violence, injustice, absurdity, intolerance, etc for the Bible, Koran, and Book of Mormon.
 
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