This is your Tea Party?

How absurd. Surely you're aware that anyone can engage in such nonsense about nearly every group.

I'm almost tempted to copy and paste an article about OJ Simpson and title it "This Is Your NFL?"

Or maybe I should copy and paste the story in the book of Acts about Ananias and Sapphire, and ask, "This Is Your Church?"

stiggywiggy said:

How absurd. Surely you're aware that anyone can engage in such nonsense about nearly every group.

I'm almost tempted to copy and paste an article about OJ Simpson and title it "This Is Your NFL?"

Or maybe I should copy and paste the story in the book of Acts about Ananias and Sapphire, and ask, "This Is Your Church?"

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The left has declared war on the TEA party. The left can't win in the arena of ideas, so they attempt to tar and feather the entire movement with the actions of a few.

Yes. Who would be so desperately partiasan as to tar an entire group with the actions of a few.

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OWS Oakland Update & Murder No big deal really ... just another murder in Oakland ... except for a few details: Murder Just Outside Occupy Oakland Encampment - By Wesley J. Smith - The Corner - National Review Online

Someone was shot and killed at the Occupy Oakland site at dusk tonight in downtown Oakland. KTVU is reporting that the Occupiers say it has nothing to do with the protest. There are conflicting reports about whether the Occupiers helped or hindered the police and paramedics, but apparently Occupy “medics” tried to help the victim. There are reports that a news cameraman was beaten filming the scene by some in the crowd, and is in hospital with a concussion.

Whether or not the shooting is related to the protests — I would bet not — there can be no question that the press of people and the retreat by police from the area, at the order of Mayor Jean Quan, made things worse and far more chaotic. This cannot help but bring this debacle to a head, as Oakland business people are up in arms at lost revenue and the worsening reputation for an already very troubled city.
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OWS ... it's great ... just don't look too close ...
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Where is the media coverage? If this were an Occupier it would be leading the national newscasts.

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It helps if you have a reputable news source that publishes the man's name correctly:

NBC San Diego

LA Times

Oh, I thought it would be interesting to add I can find nowhere on the official TEA Party Patriots page that this man is the leader of any of the three authorized San Diego chapters of the movement. So, I'm guessing it's his version of the Tea Party, but I can't find where he's any leader of any official Tea Party group.

Sounds like Kobulnicky has some things in common with a certain very popular recent Democratic President

Here is my take - rape is an awful, awful crime. Anyone capable of assaulting and raping total strangers is clearly a danger to society. Here is the striking difference, though - he wasn't raping women in droves at political events. Rapes were taking place at OWS events, along with other various crimes. Crime is not something usually present at a TEA Party event. That isn't to say that no one who has ever attended a TEA Party event isn't a criminal or capable of committing a crime (obviously, as evidenced by this case), but it isn't indicative of the actual environment in which these events take place.

Ryal Kane said:

Yes. Who would be so desperately partiasan as to tar an entire group with the actions of a few.



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OWS has a lot of rapes and other violence associated with it. Not with a leader of some off-shoot group, the group itself. In it's first three months, there were over 400 crimes reported at OWS. Considering the amount of booze and drugs that were being consumed, it shouldn't be a surprise.

I wonder how many hours Stampy looked to find anything to lay at the tea party's door.

Rion said:

OWS has a lot of rapes and other violence associated with it. Not with a leader of some off-shoot group, the group itself. In it's first three months, there were over 400 crimes reported at OWS. Considering the amount of booze and drugs that were being consumed, it shouldn't be a surprise.

I wonder how many hours Stampy looked to find anything to lay at the tea party's door.

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"It's okay when we do it."

Is that what you're saying?

Criminal actions are bad. I should think that no one will dispute that. But the guilt-by-association fallacy is still just that - a fallacy. Declaring the ideas of OWS or the ideas of the Tea Party intellectually or morally bankrupt because of the criminal actions of some individuals is a fallacious manoeuvre. Ideas can be discussed for their own merits.

Archaeopteryx said:

"It's okay when we do it."

Is that what you're saying?

Criminal actions are bad. I should think that no one will dispute that. But the guilt-by-association fallacy is still just that - a fallacy. Declaring the ideas of OWS or the ideas of the Tea Party intellectually or morally bankrupt because of the criminal actions of some individuals is a fallacious manoeuvre. Ideas can be discussed for their own merits.

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Nope, you should know me better than that by now. I said pointing out violence that takes place WHERE the group is, is different than one guy who has gone to rallies. Further more, I explained WHY it was going on, and didn't even hint that it had to do with their ideas.

Rion said:

Nope, you should know me better than that by now. I said pointing out violence that takes place WHERE the group is, is different than one guy who has gone to rallies. Further more, I explained WHY it was going on, and didn't even hint that it had to do with their ideas.

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Thanks for the clarification.

Archaeopteryx said:

"It's okay when we do it."

Is that what you're saying?

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Now why would you possibly think he's saying that, from:

OWS has a lot of rapes and other violence associated with it. Not with a leader of some off-shoot group, the group itself. In it's first three months, there were over 400 crimes reported at OWS. Considering the amount of booze and drugs that were being consumed, it shouldn't be a surprise.

I wonder how many hours Stampy looked to find anything to lay at the tea party's door

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in either paragraph that even remotely defends any action of violence.

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"It's okay when we do it."

Is that what you're saying?

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Can you even read? That's not what he said at all!

Archaeopteryx said:

"It's okay when we do it."

Is that what you're saying?

Criminal actions are bad. I should think that no one will dispute that. But the guilt-by-association fallacy is still just that - a fallacy. Declaring the ideas of OWS or the ideas of the Tea Party intellectually or morally bankrupt because of the criminal actions of some individuals is a fallacious manoeuvre. Ideas can be discussed for their own merits.

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The thing is, though, much of what OWS is about now is complete civil disobedience and anarchy. On another forum I used to frequent, a young woman I was well acquainted with through her posts was boasting about her involvement at Occupy Oakland. She bragged about setting cars on fire at the ports to protest dock worker wages. That's a criminal act. Here in Georgia, several members at Occupy Atlanta were arrested last week for harassing patrons at a local bank and trying to prohibit people from entering the building. Back in January they were arrested for blocking traffic in the downtown area. That is a far cry from having a group of a thousand people at a rally and in the group maybe a scant handful have a criminal record.

Mayor Reed allowed them to stay at Woodruff Park for a period of time, but evicted them when reports of harassment and destruction of property occurred. At some point they had covered the park signs with posters that said "Troy Davis Park". Occupy Atlanta claimed they had taken it upon themselves to re-name the park in honor of an executed cop killer. That alone speaks volumes of their integrity, or lack thereof.

Woodruff Park is now closed temporarily while we, the city taxpayers, the rest of the 99% who don't have time to play in traffic to protest "teh evull banks!" are footing the $30,000 bill to completely re-do the park's electrical and plumbing systems and landscape it to repair the damages caused by the occupiers.

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Interesting all I see are excuses for what this man did. I don't care what party you are from a person with this kind history should not be in charge of what he has been. This is what I have seen with this whole primary are double standards and excuses. Eventually it catches up with them, I hope.

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No one excused him. If he's guilty, he's scum and should have the book shelf thrown at him. We were pointing out the flaw of Stampy's logic.

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Seems the San Diego Tea Drinkers Ass.® leader, Michael Kobulnick, has been arrested and charged with the brutal rape of a woman.

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The truth here is that Mr. Kobulnicky is not nor ever has been the leader of the San Diego Tea Party but is in fact a FORMER spokesperson for a local group.

I'm sure that knowing the truth, you'll want to correct that egregious error in you comments.

According to his Facebook page he is a divorced father of five and he writes “I am one of the leaders of the San Diego Tea Party and I am the Public Relations representative and leader of our media team. I am also in charge of recruiting new members….Mr. Kobulnicky cherishes our Constitution and values the sacred freedoms we have unlike all other countries! His passion is to educate youth and adults concerning the Constitution and other topics and to motivate people to take action and protect our Constitution, country, and our American way of life.”

Yeah, right. I feel for the woman who was raped and I feel for his 5 kids.

Where is the media coverage? If this were an Occupier it would be leading the national newscasts.

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Interestingly, you find yourself in complete agreement with the San Diego Tea Party:

"In the meantime, this victim and the senseless brutality she has suffered are all but lost. All thoughts should be on her and the others that will be hurt should these allegations prove to be true, such as Mr. Kobulnicky’s five children who are innocent. Let me return to individual responsibility for a moment. Should the allegations against Mr. Kobulnicky be true, we would hope that he would save this victim from additional pain by admitting the truth and taking responsibility for his actions."



Good to see you on this side of the aisle for a change Stamperben. Welcome aboard