The Sabbath

I have been a dairy farmer all of my life. I still work seven days a week. I rest when the weather permits, and when the work allows it. The sabbath was under the law of the OT.

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Oh he still works, he enough to keep the farm and the cows going. He doesn't knock himself out on sundays, but the other six days he works as hard as ever. Not because we are under the law, but because we respect God's view of things. We are humans, and He says humans need rest. Not just under the law, but by the commandments. He said we are to rest on the sabbath, so that we might live long on the land he has given us. We can't live long anywhere if we kill ourselves seven days a week. If you are saying that the commandments were cancelled at the cross, then I guess it must be okay to murder, commit adultery and covet thy neighbors goods now, too!

God has blessed my life abundantly, and I do not keep any sabbath days that are mentioned in the OT.

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As true as that might me, imagine how much more he might bless you if you obeyed!

What about the woman in Rev 12:9 that is saved from the satan and flees to a place that od prepares for her . . . satan is mad and goes back to make war with her offspring THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS!?!?!?! God protects a commandment keeping church during the tribulation - and in all your misunderstood scriptures does it say that the 4th commandment was changed. Jesus said if you want eternal life keep the commandments!Notice the very last column in your bible - the last to be written - the revelation of Jesus Christ says Rev 22 something "blessed is he who keeps the commandments that he may have right to the tree of life" 1 John 2:4 he who says, "I Know Him" and does not keep His commandments IS A LIAR" YIKES! God is calling you a liar! Please rethink this matter - there is nothing wrong with the commandments - and devoting your sabbath to God is the least you could do.

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The resurrection was NOT on Sunday:
http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/hwa1952.htm

What Day is the Christian Sabbath?
http://www.cgca.net/pabco/sabbath.htm
Chapter 1. BUT DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?
Chapter 2. WHO MADE AND ESTABLISHED THE SABBATH?
Chapter 3. GOD -- NOT MOSES -- GAVE THE LAW
Chapter 4. A SPECIAL ETERNAL COVENANT
Chapter 5. WHICH DAY FOR GENTILE CHRISTIANS?
Chapter 6. WHY ISRAEL AND JUDAH MADE SLAVES
Chapter 7. IS SUNDAY MENTIONED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?
Chapter 8. THE AMAZING TRUTH ABOUT CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP

Keeping the commandments save no one. Without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sins. It is by His sacrifice that we are redeemed, by grace through faith not by works. All those who are seeking righteousness by keeping the law will see one day that is not how we become righteous. Righteousness is imputed to us because we believe. Read Hebrews, Galations, and Colossians, and Acts. Those who are seeking to be justified by the law have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4).

Unfortunately, this is going to be where many people fall away.
The truth looking them right in the eye's, and they won't see
it.

The next step will be when they come to realize that anti-christ
has shown up, and they're pre-trib rapture never happened.
They're lamps will not be full of oil, and they won't make the race.

Yes, truth is speaking to many right now, but because of hardened
hearts, they will not see the truth. They will walk right into babel,
into they're own desires, what they want, for what they want is
not of the Lord.

In that hour, the hour that fast approaches, they will call upon the
Lord, but He will not hear them, He will turn His face from them,
and say, I do not know you....

Turn your face from evil, turn to the Lord your God, follow His will,
listen to His still small voice inside your heart, listen, He calls you
to His truth. The ways of man are the ways of wrath, but the ways
of the Lord God are truth, peace, and salvation everlasting
Amen

Patrick

You obviously didn't read the booklet - Christ said "Why do you call me lord lord and do not the things which I say? I NEVER KNEW YOU. Depart from my you who practive LAWLESSNESS" No one can say that the 10 commandment don't need to be kept - because lying, stealing, adultering, murdering will always be wrong and so will defiling the Sabbath, God made it Holy. "Shal we sin that grace may abound? CERTAINLY NOT!" Paul said we are under grace but that we are still not to sin - what is the definition fo sin?? TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. If someone murdered your mother tonight - would that be a sin?? And how would you know if it was sin if there was no law??

Better yet, if you break the Sabbath, where do you go for the penalty??? You must go back to the Old Covenant.

yours in Messiah, Jesus
charlesj

Keeping the commandments save no one. Without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sins. It is by His sacrifice that we are redeemed, by grace through faith not by works.

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Amen!

But weren't not talking about getting saved by works, or at least I'm not. I'm talking about talking one day a week and resting. That's all. God has accommodated our work to allow a rest day, and has blessed us for taking it. Why wouldn't that be okay?

We are both saved by faith alone. His brothers, who are not Christians, still knock themselves out at their farms seven days a week, and are no better off than we are for having our rest.

We aren't religious about it, we just take it easy on sunday, give our bodies and minds a break. We don't think that we are super-christians for resting, we don't compare ourselves to anyone who doesn't, all I know is, we are better able to face the hard work of the rest of the week and God has not allowed our income to be at a loss though we only work six days. We kind of think of it as a witness to his brothers that God blesses us though we don't work as much as they do!

In Matthew 19:16 Jesus explains;

And behold, one came and said unto him, Good master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt not do murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy mother and father, And thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself.

Notice that he stated only the last six of the ten commandments that are directly towards our relationship with people. The first four commandments are directly towards our relationship with God;

Thou shall love the Lod thy God with all thy heart, all thy mind and all thy soul
Thou shall have no other Gods before me
Thou shall not take the Lord thy Gods name in vain
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

Lambslove:

You said > "As true as that might me, imagine how much more he might bless you if you obeyed!

You might not realize it, but by these words, you just judged me. You are saying that I am not obeying the Law. And that if I obeyed the law, I would be blessed even more !

You can not be further from the truth !

You need to read the book fo Galatians, because the Apostle Paul had the same problem with those who tricked (betwixed) them. They were told that they had to be circumcised, and this is why the book of Galatians was written.

If you do one part of the Law, you then are a debtor to do the whole Law. The Law is not made void, but it also is not for a righteous man. We who claim to be Christians or who follow christianity, are to walk by Love. By doing this we fulfill the law !

The first is to love God, and the second is to love thy neighbor as thyself. Upon these two abideth "all" the law and the prophets ! I asked this of Patrick, but Patrick obviously could not find where it was written ! Do you ? I do not mean this to sound harsh, but I am not allowing you the ability to shy away from the truth either.

I esteem every day alike, and I give every day to the Lord God. Spiritual rest comes from doing this. This is why the Word says, that physical excercise profit little, but spiritual excercise profiteth much.

Love IN Christ - HErvey

The first is to love God, and the second is to love thy neighbor as
thyself. Upon these two abideth "all" the law and the prophets ! I
asked this of Patrick, but Patrick obviously could not find where it
was written ! Do you ? I do not mean this to sound harsh, but I
am not allowing you the ability to shy away from the truth either.

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Yes, I do know where that is writen, but I felt no need to answer
that after Wildfire provided you and others with a very clear
quote from scripture.

Again, I say if you don't see the truth, then you won't see the
truth.

Our Lord Himself told people if they where to find everlasting life,
they would obey His commandments, and also except Him as
they're Lamb.

I have nothing against Paul, but I would make a challenge to all
who follow Pauls teaching over and above your own Messiah's
teaching.

Stop reading "for just a short time" the "letters" Paul wrote, and
focus on the words that the Apostles themselves wrote. Read
everything your Messiah spoke, and let it sink in. You will find,
that way to much faith has been put into a scripture here, and
a scripture there, that Paul wrote.

It's just a shame that todays churches leave they're whole faith
in what Paul wrote, and then, even bending it, and taking it way
out of context. What about believing what your own Messiah told
you?

If what you say is true Hervey, then it needs to be said that your
Messiah lied to you.

If, by your one quote of scripture you think that the law was
"hung" on the cross, then you are in error. If you don't believe
this, then please re-read Wildfires post again. Why would your
Messiah tell this man, even quoting scripture Himself, to follow
these commandments if He wanted eternal life?

Do you think everyone just gets to pick and choose what they
want to believe?

I to don't mean to come acrossed harsh either, but there is a
deeper truth to the Word of God.

Patrick

Andrew

Hervey

Mandy

Thanks for standing up for the Freedom we have in Christ!

Terri

Umm...there is a sabbath, but it is made for man, not man for the sabbath. The resting used is a resting that can be done by cutting your grass, or painting your house. Rest doen't mean sit and do nothing. Yes, there is a sabbath.

Patrick:

You said > "Do you think everyone just gets to pick and choose what they want to believe?

No, so my next question to you is, why then do you do what you claim we should not be doing ?

Your words are claiming that the NT is not to be trusted, because they are the words of the Apostle Paul ! You are also claiming that the words of Paul are lower than the words of the Messiah, and for that reason, they should not be trusted ?????

Jesus Christ did not lie, and neither did the Apostle Paul !

You just have not come to the place in your life, that you can deal with them both , and find unity within both !

Jesus Christ did not lie, when he said that the two great commandments , is where abidedth all the law and prophets. And where Paul said, that we fulfill the law by love. There is no contradiction here whatsoever !

Paul said, that we do not make void the law, but we do indeed fulfill it. But that does not mean that we "do " the law, and put ourselves back under the bondage of the Law !

The Law was our school master until the faith of Christ. Paul said, that Jesus Christ was the end of the Law unto righteousnes to those who believe.

If you do not believe Patrick, then there in lies your problem !

If you want to continue to live in the Law, you are a dibtor to do the whole law, and not just a part of it ! If you do the Law, then you have fallen from grace, and Christ is made of no effect unto you !

You can not pick and choose what you want to believe in the Word , and toss the rest out, nor set it aside to fit your fancy !

Your choice --- Free will

As for me, I am set free from the bondage of the Law , because I live IN Christ, and Christ lives in me !

Love IN Christ - Hervey

"If you want to continue to live in the Law, you are a dibtor to do the whole law, and not just a part of it ! If you do the Law, then you have fallen from grace, and Christ is made of no effect unto you !
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We are not condmened by the law, but it is a guide for living and should the spirit of it should be followed. We don't just disregard it now that we are christians...

Jesus Christ did not lie, and neither did the Apostle Paul !

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Oh? Please read:

1 Timothy 2:11-15

You call this "not lying"?

Paul had a very hard nature towords women.
To top it off, he continuously tells Timothy to teach
many of the, what you call the old laws.

So, one or the other is not telling the truth. I bet it's Paul.....

How about this one:
Hebrews 6:4-6
So much for everyone's once saved always saved doctrine.

Look, don't get me wrong, I read Pauls letters to, but we are
told to test everything by the word, it will either hold up to be
true, or it won't.

When the apostle's where told to read the scriptures, to check
everything by the word of God, do you think they had the NT
with them at that time? No, they did not, they had the Torah.
If the Torah was done away with, then why would they be told
to study it?

Patrick

"You call this "not lying"? "

Umm..they didn't lie. That was something spoken to a specific question or concern related to him at the time. If you had read some of the other letters ya would get that (along with the cultural context it was written in) for Paul to even talk about women was out of the ordinary..he even thanks some and equates them with having a postion equal to his own.

1Ti 2:14
And Adam was not deceived , but the woman being deceived was
in the transgression.

1Ti 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing , if
they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

So Adam was not deceived?
And in order for a woman to be saved, she must bear children?

I guess I've got to start all over then........

thanks
Patrick

"So Adam was not deceived?
And in order for a woman to be saved, she must bear children? "

*sigh* okay, ya missed the cultural context. Yeah, a women gave birth to Christ.

*sigh*

"Stop reading "for just a short time" the "letters" Paul wrote, and
focus on the words that the Apostles themselves wrote. Read
everything your Messiah spoke, and let it sink in. You will find,
that way to much faith has been put into a scripture here, and
a scripture there, that Paul wrote. "

Your implication that some how Paul is against christ is a little contradictory since Christ himself choose Paul as did the aposiles. Paul himself declares his authority based on the call he has from God. The church obviously agreed with him which included many (probably all) of the people that was with Jesus while he was on this earth. If they had no problem with it, neither do I.