Looking at till all be fulfilled, and the law

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

Till all be fulfilled would include "in them" which would mean it "remains" to be seen

Notice how these are worded (I will refrain from any comment)

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

2Cr 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

2Cr 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

2Cr 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

2Cr 3:13 ...that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

...I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

...till all be fulfilled.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

2Cr 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
　
Christ is "named" the end of the law, so it remains "to be seen" or they could not "look to" the end of that which is abolished. The veil being "untaken away". So, till all be fulfilled would include" it remains to be seen" or "in them is fulfilled" the hearing ye shall hear and not understand and seeing ye shall see but shall not perceive. Just started looking at this differently, so I still need to add to it

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Fireinfolding said:
Till all be fulfilled would include "in them" which would mean it "remains" to be seen

Notice how these are worded (I will refrain from any comment)

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

2Cr 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

2Cr 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

2Cr 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

2Cr 3:13 ...that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

...I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

...till all be fulfilled.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

2Cr 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
　
Christ is "named" the end of the law, so it remains "to be seen" or they could not "look to" the end of that which is abolished. The veil being "untaken away". So, till all be fulfilled would include" it remains to be seen" or "in them is fulfilled" the hearing ye shall hear and not understand and seeing ye shall see but shall not perceive. Just started looking at this differently, so I still need to add to it

In order to fulfill the ordinances of the law, the law is no longer seen as rules and regulations which do bind, but rather by the Spirit of God we can then see its true glory, which is prophecy.

When the Spirit of Christ comes into the man, then the vail of the fleshy mind is removed, and we can then see the spirit of the law for what it truly is, and that is the hidden law of prophecy.

2 Corinthians 3:16
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

JRSut1000 · Mar 3, 2012

Why is there always a consistent law debate somewhere on the forum? No matter how much we argue this, I dont see any upcoming changes of mind. We're just gonna use our same verses constantly over and over again until we're blue in the face. It's just not worth the debate anymore.

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

Who is debating sis? ^_^

I sure dont want to debate it, or I'd have posted it upstairs ^_^

Im looking at the wording, in order to compare. I do that here to study scriptures in this section because I dont want to debate but examine them.

And thank you InSpiritInTruth, I was looking at all being fulfilled and yet was looking at that which is fulfilled IN them in the reading of Moses, the veil remaining and not being able to look to the end of it is part of the all being fulfilled, yet this (as it pertains to them) or IN them and not being able to see to the end of the same.

Yes, In Christ the veil is taken away

God bless you's two

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

But on the otherhand, I dont think the mind can be changed by itself if the mind is that which is blinded in relation to these things.

It does speak to the reality of this is all I am saying.

JRSut1000 · Mar 3, 2012

I guess if I leave the convo it won't become a debate, lol. I dont truly wish to debate but I do honestly believe people dont see the whole picture when they compare the NT and OT. They merely see the prophecies fulfilled (which is no doubt HUGE, but its not everything) and they throw out the rest including all the wisdom and instruction of the Old Testament. It's like the whole BIble is a great banqueting table of wisdom, instruction, and revelation but they take the steak but forget the vegetables and desserts too.

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Hosea 8:12;"I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing."

Luke 24:25-27

King James Version (KJV)

25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:32;"And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Fireinfolding said:
But on the otherhand, I dont think the mind can be changed by itself if the mind is that which is blinded in relation to these things.

It does speak to the reality of this is all I am saying.

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 18:31
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Jeremiah 31:31-33

King James Version (KJV)

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

JRSut1000 said:
I guess if I leave the convo it won't become a debate, lol. I dont truly wish to debate but I do honestly believe people dont see the whole picture when they compare the NT and OT. They merely see the prophecies fulfilled (which is no doubt HUGE, but its not everything) and they throw out the rest including all the wisdom and instruction of the Old Testament. It's like the whole BIble is a great banqueting table of wisdom, instruction, and revelation but they take the steak but forget the vegetables and desserts too.

You dont have to leave, just know I dont have an intent to debate and get defensive over these things, I desire to better understand and be better equipped through the scripture to better help myself and others.

And all scripture is profitable for doctrine, correction and instruction is righteousness, I love the scriptures, I just feel I lack in showing things forth as I should, which removes all doubt on things, the better I can be at doing that by examining them and comparing them aright (without pitting them) the better I can be to help others.

To have a good understanding from the Lord and that I might handle the word of God without deceit.

Its always the WAY he words something when you look closely, because I have watched the WAY he has worded something go overlooked and land folks into some of the strangest doctrines.

Im here with everyone else trying to grow in my understanding

I dont know it all. Debating is fruitless in the sense when someone comes forcefully upon you PRESSING you for an answer in pride to BE RIGHT at the expense of presenting a good understanding in a spirit of meekness. Tells me they are off right from the get go. What would someone who has no understanding say? They could only nod at the verses (as I would do the same). But the way they wrapped them around a pole was so completely off and the nothing fruitful (by way of understanding any of the verses come from it).

But folks who do that to others have their own issues, zeal and no wisdom, so I am right, because I can quote Gods words without understanding because I must pit them against each other. ^_^

I dont desire to do that, it doesnt help no one.

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 18:31
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

2Cr 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Amen bro

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Your posting too fast ^_^

I over posted ya, your no fun ^_^

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Fireinfolding said:
Your posting too fast I over posted ya, your no fun

I guess you and I were following the same path of thought on that one, huh? ^_^

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
Hosea 8:12;"I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing."

Luke 24:25-27

King James Version (KJV)

25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:32;"And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Luke 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

Psalm 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

^_^

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
I guess you and I were following the same path of thought on that one, huh?

I cant think that fast ^_^

Phil 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Whats hard with you is that when I usually know which verse you will hit I dont want to do that but go after an alternative and I'd prefer the ones I know you will post ^_^

Like that one ^

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Fireinfolding said:
But on the otherhand, I dont think the mind can be changed by itself if the mind is that which is blinded in relation to these things.

It does speak to the reality of this is all I am saying.

2 Kings 2:3
And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

2 Kings 2:5
And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

At the parting of the way, the Master was taken from the heads of many in Israel, and they were given over to the mind of the natural brute beast.

Fireinfolding · Mar 3, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
2 Kings 2:3
And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

2 Kings 2:5
And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

At the parting of the way, the Master was taken from the heads of many in Israel, and they were given over to the mind of the natural brute beast.

It be the same as this wouldnt it?

Isaiah 9:14 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.

Psalm 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Speak evil of "the things" would be speaking evil of the things of the Spirit, the things he cannot know. Speaking evil of those things he cannot understand.

Theres a bunch of verses very similiar

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 3, 2012

Fireinfolding said:
It be the same as this wouldnt it?

Isaiah 9:14 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.

Psalm 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

2Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Speak evil of "the things" would be speaking evil of the things of the Spirit, the things he cannot know. Speaking evil of those things he cannot understand.

Theres a bunch of verses very similiar

Yes they all confirm the Truth.

The serpent will try to convince you that if you eat of the tree of knowledge to know good from evil (natural law)that you will be like God, and shall live,and not die. But the Lord said in the day that you eat thereof surely you shall die.

Unless they take and eat from the tree of Life, which is in Christ, they shall abide in darkness.

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