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street preacher · Jan 9, 2012

Drums in church

ricker · Jan 9, 2012

street preacher said:
Drums in church

Not during prayer time.

Timothew · Jan 9, 2012

I've been trying to convince our church's drummer to play a solo for the special music.

street preacher · Jan 10, 2012

Drums in church we have to be careful.what is the purpose behind their usesage

Timothew · Jan 10, 2012

Where I worship, the drums are used to make music, along with the piano and guitar.

street preacher · Jan 10, 2012

So many things and practices have creaped into Christian dome from the roman catholic church the beast power of revelation

ciaradawn · Mar 1, 2012

We're currently dealing with this in my church (sda). It's a very conservative church, about 80 active members and most are over 50. I enjoy contemporary music but the majority are elderly and think it's bad and should not be introduced into the church. Don't get me wrong, I understand the evils that can be introduced through music. Lucifer was the music leader of Heaven after all. So I completely understand that. But we could be a little more lively. Slow hymn after hymn after hymn does not always feel worshipful to me. I want to get excited about Jesus! Not jumping up and down or waving my hands around, but I want to feel excited. There is a difference between praise and worship and praise should lead to worship.
So we're going to attempt to incorporate more upbeat music into our services.

Here's another interesting thought/story about drums... we have a member, he's about 17 or so and he has ADHD. He plays the drums and I've heard he's quite talented. He doesn't enjoy getting in front of people and as it is he sometimes doesn't feel involved in the church because of his issues. I, and others I know, would like to draw him in more and make him feel included. He said he would be willing to play drums if that were to be a possibility. If we do it every once in awhile, as praise and do it respectfully, how can including this young man in our services be wrong? I wonder what Jesus would say about all this.

Princessdi · Mar 1, 2012

Street Preacher, what RCC church do you know of where they play drums? ANd What do you mean why we use them? to make music, of course. Now, I know here is the US in modern times some of the churches in the inner city have come to resemble the typical service at a baptist, etc. church, but that is only within the past 20-30 years or so. So the play of instruments other than the piano and/or organ did not originate with the RCC type services. In fact, it is those who prefer the Europeans / RCC type srevice that have sought to eradicate any other type of "ethnic"(mostly African) influence from church services. But this is not biblical. Just as an easy rebuttal, consider Psalms 150. It talks about a whole host of instruments to be used in the praise and worship of God, and loud an rhythmic instruments are included AND it says to praise Him in His Sanctuary. Where do we get the fact that they are unacceptable to God when it says the direct opposite in the Bible.

Now, that ought to be enough for you and anyone else with a problem with drums, but I know it's not going to be.........sigh........But you know I will go on and post it here.....just in case maybe it will help a little light to get through.

Psalm 150

1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, it might just be me, but this does not sound like a calm or quiet praise and worship service........

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 1, 2012

Princessdi said:
Psalm 150

1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, it might just be me, but this does not sound like a calm or quiet praise and worship service........

To me this sounds like an instruction to praise God in everything we do. To tie in the praising of God in the sanctuary with the praising of God with these instuments and dancing, you need to show that there was music and dancing in the sanctuary, either the court or more specifically, the Holy Place. Otherwise it is just an unrelated list of ways we can praise Him.

ricker · Mar 1, 2012

street preacher said:
So many things and practices have creaped into Christian dome from the roman catholic church the beast power of revelation

So you think drums are regularly used in Mass? :doh:

Around here they won't even let an electric guitar in the doors of a Catholic church, much less drums.

Paranioa will destroy ya.

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 1, 2012

ricker said:
So you think drums are regularly used in Mass? Around here they won't even let an electric guitar in the doors of a Catholic church, much less drums.

Paranioa will destroy ya.

I think he means pagan practices in general...

ricker · Mar 1, 2012

EastCoastRemnant said:
I think he means pagan practices in general...

Could be, but drums in church can hardly be blamed on Catholics. They are one of the most "reverent" Christian denominations.

I don't agree with much of their doctrine. I just don't like it when they blamed for anything and everything. Be fair!

Princessdi · Mar 1, 2012

Ok?!! I knew that and don't ever think I has step foot in an RCC church....

ricker said:
So you think drums are regularly used in Mass? Around here they won't even let an electric guitar in the doors of a Catholic church, much less drums.

Paranioa will destroy ya.

Princessdi · Mar 1, 2012

You have got to be kidding me, ECR! Why would I have to show there was dancing and playing these instruments in the sanctuary when the text already states it? if the Bible says to do it and someone doesn't then arent' they being disobedient. Then there is the fact that David wrote this and he is the one who danced before the Ark upon it's return to Israel. I have yet to find where God showed His disappoval at David praising in such a demonstrative manner. It is the Psalm itself that ties this altogether, you cannot pick it apart. now it basically says to praise and worship God everywhere and with "Everything that has breath"

EastCoastRemnant said:
To me this sounds like an instruction to praise God in everything we do. To tie in the praising of God in the sanctuary with the praising of God with these instuments and dancing, you need to show that there was music and dancing in the sanctuary, either the court or more specifically, the Holy Place. Otherwise it is just an unrelated list of ways we can praise Him.

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 2, 2012

Princessdi said:
You have got to be kidding me, ECR! Why would I have to show there was dancing and playing these instruments in the sanctuary when the text already states it?

The reason why I said it Princess is because it can be read two ways... for all the description in the Bible about the sanctuary, I don't recall there being mention of anything but reverent service within the walls of the courtyard, the Bible doesn't clarify there was.

Worship should not include a bedlam of noise.--It is impossible to estimate too largely the work that the Lord will accomplish through His proposed vessels in carrying out His mind and purpose. The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit.--2SM 36. {PaM 176.5}

Act as if in the Visible Presence of God
True reverence for God is inspired by a sense of His infinite greatness and a realization of His presence. With this sense of the Unseen, every heart should be deeply impressed. The hour and place of prayer are sacred, because God is there; and as reverence is manifested in attitude and demeanor, the feeling that inspires it will be deepened. "Holy and reverend is His name," the psalmist declares. Psalm 111:9. 452 {CCh 250.3}
When the meeting is opened by prayer, every knee should bow in the presence of the Holy One, and every heart should ascend to God in silent devotion. The prayers of faithful worshipers will be heard, and the ministry of the word will prove effectual. The lifeless attitude of the worshipers in the house of God is one great reason why the ministry is not more productive of good. The melody of song, poured forth from many hearts in clear, distinct utterance, is one of God's instrumentalities in the work of saving souls. All the service should be conducted with solemnity and awe, as if in the visible presence of the Master of assemblies. {CCh 250.4}
When the word is spoken, you should remember, brethren, that you are listening to the voice of God through His delegated servant. Listen attentively. Sleep not for one instant, because by this slumber you may lose the very words that you need most—the very words which, if heeded, would save your feet from straying into wrong paths. Satan and his angels are busy creating a paralyzed condition of the senses so that
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cautions, warnings, and reproofs shall not be heard; or if heard, that they shall not take effect upon the heart and reform the life. Sometimes a little child may so attract the attention of the hearers that the precious seed does not fall into good ground and bring forth fruit. Sometimes young men and women have so little reverence for the house and worship of God that they keep up a continual communication with each other during the sermon. Could these see the angels of God looking upon them and marking their doings, they would be filled with shame, with abhorrence of themselves. God wants attentive hearers. It was while men slept that Satan sowed his tares. {CCh 250.5}
When the benediction is pronounced, all should still be quiet, as if fearful of losing the peace of Christ. Let all pass out without jostling or loud talking, feeling that they are in the presence of God, that His eye is resting upon them, and that they must act as in His visible presence. Let there be no stopping in the aisles to visit or gossip, thus blocking them up so that others cannot pass out. The precincts of the church should be invested with a sacred reverence. It should not be made a place to meet old friends and visit and introduce common thoughts and worldly business transactions. These should be left outside the church. God and angels have been dishonored by the careless, noisy laughing and shuffling of feet heard in some places. {CCh 251.1}

Worship music should be cheerful, yet solemn.--Those who make singing a part of divine worship should select hymns with music appropriate to the occasion, not funeral notes, but cheerful, yet solemn melodies. The voice can and should be modulated, softened, and subdued.--ST June 22, 1882. {PaM 178.2}

The use of musical instruments to create a bedlam of noise, shocks the senses and perverts the worship.--The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit's working.--2SM 36. {PaM 178.3}

Amisk · Mar 2, 2012

ciaradawn said:
Lucifer was the music leader of Heaven .

Just looking for Scripture verses to back this statement, please.

Amisk · Mar 2, 2012

Princessdi said:
It is the duty of every cultured man or woman to read sympathetically the scriptures of the world. If we are to respect others' religions as we would have them respect our own, a friendly study of the world's religions is a sacred duty. - Mohandas K. Gandhi

Could be a dangerous practice for those who are not well grounded in the Bible. After all there is no salvation in any other religious scripture but the Holy Bible. Acts 4:12

The story is told (I don't know how true it is) that Mrs. Billy Graham was at a fashionable dinner on one occasion. She found herself sitting beside a gentleman. During their conversation, she asked about his work and was told it was identifying counterfeit money.

She was reported to have comment, "you must have to know a lot about counterfeit money to identify it?"

To which the gentleman replied, "No. I just have to know the real thing."

That is true when it comes to religion as well.

Princessdi · Mar 2, 2012

Indeed, Amisk, if you can be turned by the simple knowledge of another religion, then you are very weak in that which you proclaim. In that case, maybe it is wise not to overload oneself with conflicting ideas. However, this is definitely about ones personal relationship with God and constantly seeking the guideance of the Holy Spirit in ALL things. Also, it is most definitely "cultish" to require that one's members not poersue knowledge or any other religion. It can be perceived that yours is that weak that it cannot stand.

If one is rooted in grounded in Jesus Christ....there is no fear of such knowledge. He never required such a narrow view. We know this because He gave us the intelligence to do eactly that, make informed decisions to choose a relatioship with Him.....or not. He doesn't want our allegiance, obedience because we know nothing else.

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 2, 2012

Princessdi said:
Indeed, Amisk, if you can be turned by the simple knowledge of another religion, then you are very weak in that which you proclaim. In that case, maybe it is wise not to overload oneself with conflicting ideas. However, this is definitely about ones personal relationship with God and constantly seeking the guideance of the Holy Spirit in ALL things. Also, it is most definitely "cultish" to require that one's members not poersue knowledge or any other religion. It can be perceived that yours is that weak that it cannot stand.

If one is rooted in grounded in Jesus Christ....there is no fear of such knowledge. He never required such a narrow view. We know this because He gave us the intelligence to do eactly that, make informed decisions to choose a relatioship with Him.....or not. He doesn't want our allegiance, obedience because we know nothing else.

That approach didn't work out for the Israelites.. seemed when they went in search of other belief systems, they were influenced by them and kindled the wrath of God.

Jer 10:2
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen...

Amisk · Mar 2, 2012

Princessdi said:
Indeed, Amisk, if you can be turned by the simple knowledge of another religion, then you are very weak in that which you proclaim. In that case, maybe it is wise not to overload oneself with conflicting ideas. However, this is definitely about ones personal relationship with God and constantly seeking the guideance of the Holy Spirit in ALL things. Also, it is most definitely "cultish" to require that one's members not poersue knowledge or any other religion. It can be perceived that yours is that weak that it cannot stand.

If one is rooted in grounded in Jesus Christ....there is no fear of such knowledge. He never required such a narrow view. We know this because He gave us the intelligence to do eactly that, make informed decisions to choose a relatioship with Him.....or not. He doesn't want our allegiance, obedience because we know nothing else.

I have met too many people who carried your idea and in the end, being too weak in their own faith to begin with, lost the faith they once had. This is the building block on which many of the False Cults have sucked in new converts.

In fact I find many Christians with a lack of knowledge and therefore they become prey for false religions.

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