Trying to catch the various ways Jesus speaks

Its pretty kool to catch the various ways Christ speaks and usually do execercises with them (I know I might be weird that way) But I find the more you do that more come in other places.

I was looking at these sorta weaving them in and out according to what I could find, I have these written so many various ways but thought it would be fun to look at them


Ezek 2:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Ezek 3:4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.

Ezek 3:5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel;

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luke 20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

Ezek 3:6 Not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee.

Luke 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

Ezek 3:7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

Ezek 3:10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.

John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Ezek 3:7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

His disciples...

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them,


Duet 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.


As many as received him, he had given them the words "thou hast gavest me" and they have received them

Psalm 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.


Just rolling these around


This way...


Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth;and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Duet 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


Feel free to add, I always love catching these things, I'll run it again differently and then add others as I find them.

Posted this upstairs earlier but figured it would go here so I'll post it here...

Christ is the Word made flesh who said abide in me and my words, so its twofold, me and my words.

This using His doctrine

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

Which makes sense, in that

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.



Jesus said His doctrine is NOT MINE, therefore if you do not abide in the doctrine of Christ, you have NOT God because...


As it says of Jesus...

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put MY WORDS in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms...

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


Jesus is confirming the words of God as spoken by Moses

Then says...

Duet 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto** my words** which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Which Jesus confirms again...

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me (The Son) believeth not on me, but on him (The Father) that sent me.


Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?



1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

As Jesus says...

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.


Abraham to the rich man


Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.


Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.


John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

And likewise...


1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Trying to better fit these too

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them,


Ecc 12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


1John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him (The Father) that sent me (The Son) hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Again same way...

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me (The Son) believeth not on me, but on him (The Father) that sent me.


Just playing with these really.

Or this way (but with sunglasses) colors help me but are blinding to some folks (sorry)

James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Ecc 12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them,

Jerm 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

John 21:17 Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

Luke 12:42 Andthe Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

1Cr 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.


Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


1Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

　Ephes 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

2Cr 4:4 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Heres a few this way...

Exodus 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

John 8:28 I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

As my Father sent me I send you, and so likewise to His disciples...

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Acts 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.

He says...

Jerm 1:19 And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to deliver thee.

Paul could see open doors in places of adversity...

1Cr 16:9 For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.

Duet 20:4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fightfor you against your enemies, to save you.


Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

2Titus 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.


Jerm 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD;

Jerm 5:13 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word,((( behold ))) I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.


Similiar wording here...

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


Just adding a few more

Alright one more this way in combination with the apostles more

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Jesus expounding the things to them of himself...

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

What they said...

John 9:29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.

And yet...

Acts 17:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Of who...

Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

So it makes sense...

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

So they preached from Moses and the prophets and these could search the scriptures themselves to see if those things he was saying were so

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Same is shown here...

Acts 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

So then...

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


And...

Ephes 1:13 In whom ye also trusted,after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Jesus had said...

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

2Titus 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

John 30:21 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name

Jesus said...

John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Likewise Abraham to the rich man said this...

Luke 16:31 If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Jesus IS he who rose from the dead and these (below) were convinced out of the scriptures (Moses/law and the prophets) of Him...

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

They are persuading them out of Moses and the prophets

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof...

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Prov 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,


Job 34:16 If now thou hast understanding, hear this: hearken to the voice of my words.

The voice of his words

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before hadshewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer,he hath so fulfilled.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

But in these last days

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And likewise...

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And here...

Mark 9:7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

1John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)

"things" is a good keyword, "the things" "those things" and "none other things"

InSpiritInTruth said:

I thought you said you was dry?

Glad to see you got refreshed.

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Smartarse

I AM dry bro LOL Im just looking over older comparisons I was examining beforehand and adding to those. Im not getting much new.

I am always looking for the best way to show the flow of the wording, and that doesnt come easy to me now (as I told you). But can be fun and other times maybe not as fun. I wont post in someones thread because the way I put a thing forth greatly lacks.

So I figured I would practice, and if you can add to the wording, where you find its much better worded "this way" to show Jesus Christ, please do, I love that stuff

Sorry I went overboard there but they arent anything complex but simple, figured it might help someone out showing Jesus words correlating. Like the "why's he said what he said as I am able.

God bless you brother

InSpiritInTruth said:

Here's one Fire on how He speaks, and how they hear.

Numbers 12:8
With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?


Luke 8:10;"And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."

Good post girlfriend!

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Thats what I am looking bro for amen

Posted this before so its not new but to yours of parables


1Cr 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

However, likewise...

2Cr 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:


Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Romans 16:26 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Ephes 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

God giveth treasure in your earthen vessel

Ezek 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Psalm 49:4I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.

Dark sayings of old, opened upon the harp


Mark 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Out of his treasure things old and new

2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The treasure "the harp" the things old and the things new

Reminds me of this...

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses (things old) the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb (things new) saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Or as The former things and the news things they which go down to the sea

Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are cometo pass, and new things do I declare: beforethey spring forth I tell you of them. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Cr 2:3 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Treasure in our earthen vessel...

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Theres so many of these but sometimes you get it worded so much better and the thing comes alive and its like a rocket

((then its off to the moon!!!!)

Love those moments ....God so rocks

If you have more keep posting them, even if they contain the same scriptures but just worded differently, because thats what I am looking for.

Putting it differently (or ordering them up differently) can really make all the difference actually, and I am aware of this.

God bless you brother

InSpiritInTruth said:

Ain't much one could add to all that Sis, I believe you covered it quite well.

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Thanks InSpiritInTruth but you kick it in differently and I love how you do that bro, well you know... how you might take how something is worded and push it through differently, and you do that very well actually.

If you do come up with them (even if they are the same) just do what you do, reorder them according to how they best minister to you

I'd drive bonkers with how many times I rewrite the same thing (over and over and over again)

And I can never chose which way is the better way to lay them out.


The scorpions and the their words (be not afraid of their words) where thou dwellest and Christ giving power to tread upon the same is a good one too. The gospel not coming in words only but power.

You can discern the difference in word only over power, Im so glad Paul added says that, because it must make you stop and think. Even in respects to preaching the very gospel with the wisdom of words and making the cross of none effect. You begin to discern these things feeling them out encountering others. Sorta like tasting and seeing the difference between them. I believe thats part of exercising our discernment though.

Which is so completely kool!

The power of God to open ones own heart to anothers words without having to be sold a bill of goods on themselves is amazing really. Theres no need for any of them to commend themsleves. All that "trying to sell yourself" and "your own puddle of" the truth (which is done ) when you see it for what it is its so completely unecessary. Its not who commends himself who is approved anyway, and the thing always is, are His are made "manifest" God does commend his own to you (no sales tactics needed) its so true.

He hasnt left as orphans that way. He is so faithful, what a wonderful God we have. But even still does both ways, leadeth some forth with workers of iniquity (as branches are gathered by men) and burned and the other, "thy teachers shall not be hid in a corner any more" but thine own eyes shall see them, and ye shall hear a word behind thee "this is the way" walk ye in it. So its twofold, you will see the others but by Him showing the same to you, just as God opened Lydias heart to tend to Paul's words. I think thats incredible, so when I caught that I was like WOW!! You rock Lord! He is really awesome! Even in those very things, which was (at first) Him doing even more then I could imagine (which is now as nothing for Him to do).

I am always in awe of Him, how great is our God? Just so great for sure

God bless you brother

Hear a few on hearing, he that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit says given the the Spirit teaches comparing spiritual things with spiritual, speaks of our ears and what we can receive in the same way, as meat (spiritual meat)

John 10:12 Doth not the ear try words? And the mouth his meat

Mark 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.

Prov 20:12 The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them.

Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Mark 4:25 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.

Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.

Luke 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

Psalm 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Ephes 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephes 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;


　
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InSpiritInTruth said:

Here's one Fire, compared to what you listed above about what you hear, compared to how you hear.

Mark 4:24
And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.


Luke 8:18
Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

Even though it speaks of the same, one could interpret it differently.
I believe the words in Luke speak more of how the Lord intended them to be recieved.

We can't always help what we hear, but by God's Spirit we are given the ability as to how we hear them, or discern them.

It's amazing how a single word can make such a profound difference in the meaning.

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You rock bro, yep, I so love it, awesome! Thats what I was meaning, and wating on ya

Jesus speaks of how thou hast received and heard in revelation as well.

Heres a how too

Ephes 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Whereas here...

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yet that by revelation made known unto Him he says

Ephes 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:


1Peter 1:3 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;


The grace and the revelation in our knowledge of Him are connected. Even when Peter speaks of adding to our faith the things he mentions (even in respects to knowledge) if those things be in you and abound they keep you from being unfruitful in your knowledge of Him. I believe right there is showing theres a different between the form of knowledge and the light of knowledge just as to know the love of God in Christ (the light we are to live nd walk by) surpasses knowledge itself.

Beautiful little keys in there to perk up our ears up and go after him thats for sure

Sure love those bro. Thanks for adding those too, just perfect what I was looking for

God bless you brother

Heres one I was playing with, I left out a few more then I wanted, but can I bounce off the cloud he was taken up in off of Isaiah which speaks of the blotting out of sins and redemption?

I was curious here in the first three especially


Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud , thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld,he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

This one doesnt relate but I was looking at the wording here to springboard off it somehow...

Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voicesof the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.


Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Mat 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.

Acts13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

John1:29 ....Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered,and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Hosea 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him,Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

John 1:29 ....Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Zech 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment

Zech 3:9a For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes:

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the fourbeasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Zech3:b behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day

Zeh3:b behold, I will engrave the graving thereof

Isaiah 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

Luke24:29 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself

John20:24-25 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus,was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said untohim, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails,and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

I know I am all over the place but I can insert more between them and be the better off for it Just comparing is all, I need to work on this one more.

InSpiritInTruth, can I use this accordingly to show Jesus Christ in a similitude, not sure on this one, I pulled it from above, but I had a question whether it was a legal move before going further with it, because I keep getting more to add to it

Fireinfolding said:

Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud , thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.


Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld,he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

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Can you share what you have on the pillar of cloud by day, been looking at that how its spliced between a cloud by day (and night cometh) and fire by night and Him sending fire, yet speaks of the light becoming a flame and I havent examined everything surrounding that yet.


Thought I'd ask you. Thanks, and God bless you brother

Fridays... I'll be out a bit today

InSpiritInTruth said:

I don't see the direct connection between Isaiah 44:22 and Acts 1:9; but I do believe there is more of a indirect connection which would be harder to show.

You've got the right idea about the pillar of a cloud by day(children of the day, and light) and the pillar of fire by night(guiding light) for those who live in darkness.

Just as when Jesus left, with him also went the Light of the world, and also a great cloud of witness which Jesus was also caught up in.

Pentecost marked the start of the New meat offering, as is shown in the law. And it is interesting to note that the Holy Spirit was poured out like cloven tongues as of fire.

Acts 2:3
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

The fact that they were cloven is a sign of the clean beasts. But the fact that the Holy Spirit came like fire means to me that the dark hours had come.

Just as this dark period would last in the similitude of 3 days, like the Body of Jesus was in the darkness of the earth for 3 days.

But in the same manner Jesus left, he also shall return; and that is in the clouds.

This is a great mystery, but it speaks of the Lord's host.

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I agree

I also agree theres no direct connection, more indirectly as it pertains to building a similitude, and not contradicting the work he come to finish by way of making atonement. He come once to bear sin (and went up in a cloud) and comes again to bring salvation without sin unto salvation.


Thanks bro, much appreciated

God bless you