Is Jesus Almighty God?

dollarsbill · Feb 23, 2012

brinny said:
it's also abomination to God. It is written. There is one who strived to be as God and was a liar from the beginning.

Elder 111 · Feb 24, 2012

PaladinValer said:
Yup. St. Michael is the angel in charge of the angelic host. He's the Field Marshal and the rest of the angels are under his charge.

St. Michael = Jesus is anti-Christian.

Do not speak from what you fell or have been taught but from what the bible says.
Would the angels be involved in a matter at the exclusion of God?
Dan 10
12Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. 13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, ( are angels refered as princes or Jesus in the bible) came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
14Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
15And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.
16And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips (was such a term used in scripture to describe and angle): then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.
17For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
18Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
( no one else is involved with me in these things but another angel? Or Jesus? Which makes sense to you?)

Lion King · Feb 24, 2012

Elder 111 said:
Do not speak from what you fell or have been taught but from what the bible says.
Would the angels be involved in a matter at the exclusion of God?
Dan 10
12Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. 13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, ( are angels refered as princes or Jesus in the bible) came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
14Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
15And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.
16And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips (was such a term used in scripture to describe and angle): then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.
17For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
18Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

Michael is one of the chief princes, meaning there are others as him (chief princes).

21But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
( no one else is involved with me in these things but another angel? Or Jesus? Which makes sense to you?)

Michael is assigned by the LORD to watch over the children of Israel. Now, although Michael is an extremely powerful angel, he is still a created being nonetheless.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 24, 2012

All the Lord's righteous angels are made in the image of the Son.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

They are all born of the same Spirit, and speak with the same heart and mind, like the voice of a great multitude.

Just as all believers in God make up the Body of Christ.

Cribstyl · Feb 24, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
Revelation 1:1-2

King James Version (KJV)

Revelation 1: 1-2

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

You're playing a confusion game, by trying to say; the Holy Spirit is his angel of Rev1. Scriptures are not silent about the angel who showed John these Revelation mysteries.......
Rev 22:8And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Jesus said to his disciples...

John 16:13-14; "Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall recieve of mine, and shall show it unto you."

Really !!

The book of Acts reveal these truths very well, beginning with the day of Pentecost....and especially in the ministry of Paul.
You should be ashamed for purposely misusing God's word.

Cribstyl · Feb 24, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
All the Lord's righteous angels are made in the image of the Son.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

They are all born of the same Spirit, and speak with the same heart and mind, like the voice of a great multitude.

Just as all believers in God make up the Body of Christ.

You're misinterpreting Rom 8:29. Your commentary is false teachings.
Read Hebrews 1 and tell us that the angel and Jesus have the same image.

Return to main page for Hebrews 1

Cribstyl · Feb 24, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
I do have a question.
What angel is talking to John in Reve 22?

Reve 22:6 And said to me "these the words faithful and true". And Lord, the God of the spirits of the holy Prophets, commissions the angel of Him to show to the bondservants of Him which things is binding to be becoming in swiftness.
7 "Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed [is] he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book."
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, "See [that you do] not [do that.] For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
10 And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is nigh.
16 "I Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

http://www.christianforums.com/t7588850-7/#post58429992
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Clearly the angel who appear to John is a ministering spirit that cannot recieve worship.

Rev 22:9Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 24, 2012

Cribstyl said:
You're playing a confusion game, by trying to say; the Holy Spirit is his angel of Rev1. Scriptures are not silent about the angel who showed John these Revelation mysteries.......
Rev 22:8And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

The book of Acts reveal these truths very well, beginning with the day of Pentecost....and especially in the ministry of Paul.
You should be ashamed for purposely misusing God's word.

What Spirit works in all of God's host?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

What Spirit worked in the prophets? What Spirit was in Jesus? What Spirit worked in Jesus' angel? What Spirit was John in?

If the same Spirit worked in all, then how have I misused God's Word?

Elder 111 · Feb 24, 2012

Lion King said:
Michael is one of the chief princes, meaning there are others as him (chief princes).

Michael is assigned by the LORD to watch over the children of Israel. Now, although Michael is an extremely powerful angel, he is still a created being nonetheless.

Rev. 1 Jesus is call a prince never an angel is refered as such.

4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen

Fireinfolding · Feb 24, 2012

Michaels name does mean "Who is like God"?

Given they are His holy angels I wouldnt think it a stretch to believe they are holy as God is Holy.

eachallberg · Feb 24, 2012

Cribstyl said:
Is Jesus Almighty God?

Yes.

Focus on Christ, not the messengers.
Peace.

Prayer Circle · Feb 24, 2012

Cribstyl said:
Is Jesus Almighty God?

Yes.
That's what the scripture says.

Cribstyl · Feb 24, 2012

InSpiritInTruth said:
What Spirit works in all of God's host?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

What Spirit worked in the prophets? What Spirit was in Jesus? What Spirit worked in Jesus' angel? What Spirit was John in?

If the same Spirit worked in all, then how have I misused God's Word?

I lack the patience to cuddle deliberate misinformation. Lord help me....:o:o:o

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 24, 2012

Cribstyl said:
I lack the patience to cuddle deliberate misinformation. Lord help me....:o:o:o

Was it deliberate misinformation on my part, or was it a misunderstanding on your part?

I knew what I was thinking, but you didn't.

Lion King · Feb 24, 2012

Elder 111 said:
Rev. 1 Jesus is call a prince never an angel is refered as such.

4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen

Did you know demons (former angels of the LORD) are referred to as "princes"?

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow does not cast out demons, but by Beelzebub the prince of the demons. Matthew 12:24

Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience. Ephesians 2:2

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. John 12:31

_ _ _

Michael is the prince of Israel. That is to say, he is the protector of the children of Israel against the demonic forces that want to annihilate Israel (such as the prince of Persia and Greece).

Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength. “Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed,” he said. “Peace! Be strong now; be strong.”

When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Speak, my lord, since you have given me strength.”

So he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come; but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince. Daniel 10:18-21

_ _ _

Remember this passage?

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

Elder 111 · Feb 25, 2012

Lion King said:
Did you know demons (former angels of the LORD) are referred to as "princes"?

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow does not cast out demons, but by Beelzebub the prince of the demons. Matthew 12:24

Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience. Ephesians 2:2

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. John 12:31

_ _ _

Michael is the prince of Israel. That is to say, he is the protector of the children of Israel against the demonic forces that want to annihilate Israel (such as the prince of Persia and Greece).

Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength. Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed, he said. Peace! Be strong now; be strong.

When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, Speak, my lord, since you have given me strength.

So he said, Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come; but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince. Daniel 10:18-21

_ _ _

Remember this passage?

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

Why is satan referred to as prince of this world? Is it not because he rules? But in the future who will rule? An angel or Jesus? Michael will rule! Is it therefore fitiing to say that Michael is an angel will rule the new earth or Jesus according to what the bible teaches? Michael is the prince He will rule. He is the prince of the kings, implying that the will rule after all the kings of the earth are no more.

Cribstyl · Feb 28, 2012

Elder 111 said:
Why is satan referred to as prince of this world? Is it not because he rules? But in the future who will rule? An angel or Jesus? Michael will rule! Is it therefore fitiing to say that Michael is an angel will rule the new earth or Jesus according to what the bible teaches? Michael is the prince He will rule. He is the prince of the kings, implying that the will rule after all the kings of the earth are no more.

He is called a prince because he is subjected to the King who rules the world. He is called a prince of this world because of His plans for man and the rebellion against God.
Michael is an angel, He is not Jesus. You're buying into a false teaching, nowhere does the bible support that myth.

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