MJ Only Revelation and the Yom Kippur Temple Service

Lulav · Feb 24, 2012

Praying for your brothers safe journey through surgery and fast healing, and your SIL quick recovery. May your Shabbat be a delight and may you come back to us refreshed!

Shalom!

Yahudim · Feb 24, 2012

Lulav said:
Praying for your brothers safe journey through surgery and fast healing, and your SIL quick recovery. May your Shabbat be a delight and may you come back to us refreshed!

Shalom!

Todah Rabah Lulav, todah to all. Nothing like the fervent prayers of the righteous. My brother came through his surgery with flying colors. On the other hand, this is my fourth night with three or four hours of sleep. So I'm getting a little punchy.

However, I cannot seem to get this study out of my head. Expect that I will post something shortly.

Yahudim · Feb 25, 2012

Shalom,

On another board, long, long ago and far, far away, someone posted an observation about the first seven words in scripture. That observation and the discussion that followed, had a profound impact on me due to the particular group of studies that I was engaged in at the time. They (the studies) were all related to the 'Sevens' study including the Seven days of Creation and the Sevens found in the Revelation.

I have already offered a lot of material for your consideration. Much of it goes to the symbolism and similarities between the Yom Kippur Temple service and the Revelation of Y'shua HaMeshiach. In that material, some of the symbolism has been addressed, but most has not. So I thought that we might want to turn our attention to the scriptural context of the symbolism already presented. In other words, lets try to define some of these words and images with scripture. I can think of no better place to start than at 'the beginning'.

I hope that you, my brothers and sisters don't mind my use of the KJV. This is still what most English speaking people read and we can give depth with context and correction where needed. For the most part, I think it will serve our purpose here:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The p'sh*t is pretty clear here. But if any of you feel that there are things about the source of the revelation, the Revelator, the recipient of the revelation or his mission needs to be expounded upon, feel free. However, it is my intent to scripturally expose all symbolism considered mysterious, that we might better know the intent of the words of John and the message that is the Revelation of Y'shua.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

For me, this verse can be debated from any number of perspectives and for ages. I would be a thread (or threads) unto itself. But that is not the material that I want to address here. It is instead the symbolism of, 'the Alpha and the Omega'. From a Hebraic perspective, the Aleph and Tav are meant. So from here, we go back to the beginning: In the original Hebrew Gen1:1 reads like this:

King James Bible
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
WLC (Consonants Only)
בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ׃

There are 7 words in that sentence, at the very center of which is 'the first and the last' letters of Hebrew. That first verse, Genesis 1:1, is describing the Creation in it entirety. The word 'את' (Aleph Tav); does not get translated. These two letters are the first and last letters of the Hebrew 'Aleph-Bet'.

The first half of the verse is representative of the things of the Spirit; Elohim, the Spirit that is to be 'worshiped in spirit and in truth', and the act of creating - including marking the beginning of time or at least, the beginning of the act of creating. The second half of this verse is of the things of the physical - the Creation, both the physical Heavens and the Earth. At the center of this verse is the Aleph-Tav and all the things that it symbolically represents in scripture; the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last, the Word, etc., as a conduit or bridge between the Spiritual and the Physical, between Elohim, His Creation and Man.

When doing a search for the Alef-Tav, I found it located in 5,701 verses 7,372 times. Obviously it does not always take on the connotation of Y'shua hidden in the text. It is used in Hebrew as a 'particle direct object marker homonym' to point to the object and place special emphasis.

So with this in mind, it presents some interesting possible interpretations based on where it occurs in scripture.

In Deuteronomy 6:2 are two such occurrences:

Deu 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

In verse two the alef-tav can be found just before the LORD (so that it is 'Alef-Tav YHVH' and again, just before the Hebrew word for statutes.

Another interesting feature of this passage is that the word translated 'commandment' in verse one is a singular mitzvah, not the plural 'mitzvot' in the Hebrew. In other words, the singular commandment is to obey.

Zech.12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

So it reads, 'they look upon Aleph-Tav they pierced' or 'they will see the Aleph-Tav they pierced'. In that I am not a Hebrew scholar, we may need some help with these interpretations. So far, I am simply pointing out what MAY be of interest.

Again, borrowing from the study of the Hebrew letters, by our sister yinonyavo and from other sources such as Dr. Jeff Benner, I would offer the following about the Aleph and the Tav, starting with the Aleph. Please note that while there are certain doctrinal conclusions included in this study that you may or may not agree with, there is nonetheless a great deal of valuable information on the use and symbolism of the Aleph in scripture. Take it for what you will:

Continued...

Yahudim · Feb 25, 2012

Beginning of yinonyavo study of Aleph PART I:

First I'm going to tell you my conclusions at the beginning and then show you how I got there. I believe that the spiritual theme of the Aleph includes the following types, symbols:

GOD, the Godhead or God the Father
UNITY or ONENESS with God, made possible by Christ to those who were ELECT in Him by the "VEIL" of his body (Hbr 10:20), whose flesh was crucified so that we might enter the Holy of Holies and not DIE. This is the first "LIGHT" of our salvation, that we are saved from DEATH and joined to LIFE in Him.

ALEPH has come down to us as the letter A. In Greek it is Alpha. The ancient original letter was exactly like our "A" only up-side-down. It was a picture of an ox head. One of the reasons that they know the letters are Semetic* in origin is because ONLY in the the Semitic languages does the word aleph (and also the names of all the other Hebrew letters) have meaning. Aleph is also the Hebrew word for OX. There are also other Hebrew words that are very similar and come from the same ROOT. Below are several links and images of alphabet charts showing the ancient letters and their modern derivatives.

Phoenician alphabet and language
Table of the Phoenician Alphabet

The Hebrew letter ALEPH also doubles for the number 1. If you would look at a Hebrew book that uses Hebrew page numbers, at the bottom of page one would be the letter ALEPH, not a 1.

After looking at several books, and charts like the ones posted above, I looked at the concordance dictionary for the ROOT and all cognate words related to the word ALEPH.
The actually idea of the root is to "associate with, or team with"........hence the OX, as it was used only in a "team". By looking at the meaning of the other words from this ROOT, sleph, you can see ideas that are based on this thought are:
STRENGTH in unity..........
SHARING, teaching, learning
STRENGTH in numbers
The governor or chief person (STRONG or AUTHORITATIVE person, and also because alpeh has a value of 1, 1st)

I then read through every word in the Concordance that began with the letter ALEPH. This particular letter has a very LARGE number of words, the one thing that stood out to me is all the important names who were FIRSTS, FATHERS, etc. in the OT that begin with this letter:

ELOHIM (God) sp. aleph/lamed/hey/yod/mem ALHYM (our FATHER)

H430 Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
םיהלא 'ĕlo^hi^ym el-o-heem' Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

ADAM - FATHER of man

H121 Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
םדא 'a^da^m aw-dawm' The same as H120; Adam, the name of the first man, also of a place in Palestine: - Adam.

ABRAHAM - FATHER of Israel

H85 Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
םהרבא 'abra^ha^m ab-raw-hawm' Contracted from H1 and an unused root (probably meaning to be populous); father of a multitude; Abraham, the later name of Abram: - Abraham.

AARON - FATHER of all priests

The Hebrew word for FATHER is AB(V)* - ALEPH/BET
Bet is also the WORD for HOUSE, therefore, AB (father) is the STRONG one (aleph) of the HOUSE (bet)

*the Hebrew letter Bet can have 2 sounds.........B and V

We know from scripture(Gen 17:5) that Abraham means "father of many nations"

"dam" in Hebrew is the word for BLOOD (adama is RED EARTH) .........ADAM was the blood father of all men:

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth...

The first word to begin with ALEPH is GOD(Elohim)
The FIRST word in all of scripture is the word b'rashyt (in the beginning). It is spelled in Hebrew B-R-A-sh-y-t.
The FIRST action taken is the word BaRA (created), spelled in Hebrew B-R-A

The FIRST 3 actions in scripture are
B-ara ( He created) BRA
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(He-Jesus Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.)
2. R-achph (Spirit MOVED)
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. A-mar (God SAID)
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

THREE times this sequence of B-R-A (bet/resh/aleph)

Son in Hebrew is B-ar
Spirit in Hebrew is R-uach
Father in Hebrew is A-v

B-R-A...Son, Spirit, Father

REVIEW OF CONCLUSIONS: I eventually reached as to the SPIRITUAL MEANING of the letter ALEPH...

GOD, especially the Godhead(trinity) and God the Father
UNITY or ONENESS with God, made possible by Christ to those who were ELECT in Him, made possible by the "VEIL" of his body(Hbr 10:20), whose flesh was crucified so that we might enter the Holy of Holies and not DIE. This is the first "LIGHT" of our salvation, our STRENGTH in UNITY or ONENESS with GOD... that we are saved from DEATH and joined to LIFE in Him.

The ROOT of the word "ALEPH" is Strong's #502..."alph"
Its basic meaing is to "ASSOCIATE WITH", especially as that association gives STRENGTH (as in a team, or strength in numbers).

Other words from this root are Strong's #503,504,505,441.

H441 אלּף אלּוּף 'alûph 'allûph al-loof', al-loof' From H502; familiar; a friend, also gentle; hence a bullock (as being tame; applied, although masculine, to a cow); and so a chieftain (as notable like neat cattle): - captain, duke, (chief) friend, governor, guide, ox.

H503 אלף 'âlaph aw-laf' Denominative from H505; causatively to make a thousandfold: - bring forth thousands.

H504 אלף 'eleph eh'-lef From H502; a family; also (from the sense of yoking or taming) an ox or cow: - family, kine, oxen.

H505 אלף 'eleph eh'-lef Properly the same as H504; hence (an ox’s head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand: - thousand.

NOW, this will at first seem a little confusing, but hopefully I can explain it...

The CHARACTER for the letter ALPEH means 1
The CHARACTER with a little dash above it means 1000
(if you look at one of the charts that show the number values of the letters, you will see that the letters run out after 900, so 1000 starts again with the letter aleph)

The WORD for one is "achad" (sp. aleph/chet/dalet)
The WORD for a thousand is ALEPH(or eleph) (even though the character aleph means one)
Both "achad" and "aleph" have this idea of ONENESS in UNITY

Strongs #258 - 'achad - to unify, collect (one's thoughts): go one way or another

Strongs #259 - echad - a numeral from #258; properly united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first: a , alike, alone, altogether, and together

Strongs #502 - aleph - to associate with

Because the CHARACTER aleph is used for both 1 and 1000 (with the mark above), and they both have this idea of ONENESS, UNITY, ASSOCIATION, they are seen as RELATED.

End of PART I of yinonyavo's study of Aleph, PART I

Continued...

Yahudim · Feb 25, 2012

Part II of yinonyavo study of Aleph:

This shows up in several scripture verses. Here is just a sample:

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Isa 30:17 One thousand [shall flee] at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill.

Isa 60:22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation:

The principle of "FIRST MENTION" has long been recognized as a legitimate tool for scriptural interpretation. The first use of the LETTER ALEPH is the 3rd letter of the very first word in all of scripture in the thrice repeated bet/resh/aleph ..BRA, implying 3 times, the Trinity...BAR, RUACH, AB....Son, Spirit, Father

The first word to BEGIN with aleph is ELOHIM is the Hebrew term for God. A better translation would be the ALMIGHTY.
Here's the Hebrew etymology for Elohim:
(I have shortened some of these, you can read full definitions in a Strong's Concordance of the Bible)

Stong's #

430 - ELOHIM - plural of 433.....gods in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (In the plural, with the article) of the Supreme God

433 - ELOAH - (singular of Elohim) ....from 410...a diety or The Diety: - God

410 - EL - short form of 352....strength, mighty....especially the ALMIGHTY (but used also of any diety) God (god);mighty one, strong, power.

352 - AYIL - from the same as 193; properly strength, anything strong; spec a chief (politically); also a ram(from his strength; a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree: -mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.

...and FINALLY we get to the ROOT of all these words:

193 - UWL - from an unused root meaning to TWIST, i.e. (by implication) be strong; the body (as being rolled together); also powerful: - mighty, strength.

The first use of aleph used as a WORD in itself is in Gen 20:16. It is here used in its meaning of "a thousand" (which is also its most common use in scripture)

Gen 20:15 And Abimelech said, Behold, my land [is] before thee: dwell where it pleaseth thee.

Gen 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a THOUSAND (ALEPH) [pieces] of silver: behold, he [is] to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that [are] with thee, and with all [other]: thus she was reproved.

Now, I'm going to quote from John Gill's commentary on this verse. (for anyone who is not familiar with Gill, below you'll find a little blurb) I use him, because he is revered by almost everyone as one of the most thorough and knowledgeable commentators there is, and he also very knowledgeable with all the Jewish sources, which have been often helpful in this particular study of the letters.

From John Gill's commentary on this verse:

...it seems best to refer this to the gift of the thousand pieces of silver, and read the words, "behold, this is to thee {h} a covering of the eyes"; so the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem; for the words are a continued biting sarcasm on Sarah; as Abimelech twits her with calling Abraham her brother in the preceding clause, so in this he tells her that he had given him so much money to buy her a VEIL (covering of the eyes) with, and to supply her with veils from time to time to cover her eyes, that nobody might be tempted to lust after her, and that it might be known she was a married woman; for in these countries married women wore veils for distinction...

In Middle Eastern society a married woman is to be "veiled" at all times. Only her HUSBAND may remove it. This is as it is with the Church, the bride of Christ. We are to be veiled at all times (married to Christ) and only Christ may remove that veil. We are to be for Him only. He is also the way THROUGH the veil to the Holy of Holies. Only Christ can remove the blinders on our eyes that we may know the Father and understand spiritual things:

2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Cr 3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.

Another use of the alphabet in scripture is what is called "acrostic" passages, the most well known being Psalm 119. In most Bibles it shows the heading of each section according to the letters of the alphabet. There is a section for each letter. What you CAN'T see, is that in the Hebrew, each verse of that section begins with that letter. For instance, in English the "A" section would be like this:

vs. 1. Always happy is the man who.........
vs. 2. Always happy are they that.....
vs. 3. Also, they......
vs. 4. As thou has commanded us.........

etc., etc.

Psalm 119 is not the only chapter that is arranged like this. It is just the longest and most well known. There are several others. One that you might be familiar with is the 22 verses in Proverbs 31:10-31 about the "virtuous woman". Verse 1 starts with a word that begins with an aleph (A), verse 2 with a bet, and so on, all the way through the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Lamentation 1,2,3, & 4 the same (chpt 3 has 3 verses for each letter). Psalm 112 is about a righteous man, and is alphabetically arranged every HALF verse. There are several others. More often than not, when I looked at the verses for each of the letters, they would loosely or overtly reflect what I found to be the spiritual meaning of that letter.
In the case of the chapters I mentioned in Lamentations, which are JUDGMENT on Israel, they would reflect the exact opposite, as in the case with the ALEPH, instead of LIGHT, or STRENGTH IN UNITY and ONENESS with God, the judgment was "DARKNESS, WEAKNESS, ALONENESS", and DISASSOCIATION." (see Lam 1:1, 2:1, 4:1 and 3:1-3....these are all the "aleph" verses describing Israel's judgment.

In the case of the ALEPH verse of the virtuous woman, the word "virtuous", if you look it up in the Strongs (#242 means "STRENGTH or MIGHT".

While working on this study, I ran across the following site:

AlephBet Enigma

It contends that the 22 verses in the NT which contain the word "MYSTERY" the very SUBJECT of the mystery correspond to the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. As I looked at these for myself when I did each of the letters, I found nearly the same conclusions. Not only do they correspond, but in the exact order in which the verses are found in the NT!

The alpeh, being symbolic of GOD, the GODHEAD, etc, the first verse in the NT containing the word "mystery" is Mark 4:11:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of GOD...

Another thing I looked at was a name given to Jesus for the meaning of each of the letters and how that related to the seven feasts. I already gave the verse for aleph in my very first post when I listed ALL of the verses. It is the verse about being "like a lamb or OX that is brought to the slaughter", which relates both to the pictorial meaning of the AELPH, an OX AND to the 1st feast of Passover.

One of the LAST things I looked at was the gematria of the word ALEPH. For anyone that is not familiar with that term, it is the SUM of the number values of each letter that makes up a word. (like the 666 being the 'mark' of the beast) Other words which add up to the SAME gematria are believed to be spiritually connected. One would think there might be several such words, but this is not the case. Sometimes it was difficult to come up with ONE such word. It is because of the 3 letter ROOT system of the Hebrew. There just aren't that many possibilities to look for. So, to come up with the gematria of the word "ALEPH" spelled in Hebrew: aleph/lamed/pey, you add together:

the number value of aleph which is 1
the number value of lamed which is 30
and the number value of pey which is 80

1 + 30 + 80 = 111

Now, not only is 111 very suggestive of the GODHEAD in its THREE-IN-ONENESS, one of only THREE words that has the same gematria is the word "misveh" sp. mem(40)/samech(60)/vav(6)/hey(5).....40+60+5+6 = 111. It means VEIL!!!

The first time it is used is in Ex. 24:33 where Moses veiled his face after coming down from being with God. The other two words with a gematria of 111 also have a similar meaning of something wonderful and mysterious, or something hidden or dark.

All of these things together COULD be just coincidence....but when you see how letter after letter keeps having these same "coincidences"...........well by the time I got to the 5th letter, I was thoroughly convinced that God had intended to reveal His Son and His work of salvation even in the very letters of the words that tell the story.

Psalms 119
For the letter Aleph - see how each verse begins with the latter Aleph - each Aleph is highlighted in red.

א אַשְׁרֵי תְמִימֵי-דָרֶךְ-- הַהֹלְכִים, בְּתוֹרַת יְהוָה. 1 ALEPH. Happy are they that are upright in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
ב אַשְׁרֵי, נֹצְרֵי עֵדֹתָיו; בְּכָל-לֵב יִדְרְשׁוּהוּ. 2 Happy are they that keep His testimonies, that seek Him with the whole heart.

ג אַף, לֹא-פָעֲלוּ עַוְלָה; בִּדְרָכָיו הָלָכוּ. 3 Yea, they do no unrighteousness; they walk in His ways.
ד אַתָּה, צִוִּיתָה פִקֻּדֶיךָ-- לִשְׁמֹר מְאֹד. 4 Thou hast ordained Thy precepts, that we should observe them diligently.

ה אַחֲלַי, יִכֹּנוּ דְרָכָי-- לִשְׁמֹר חֻקֶּיךָ. 5 Oh that my ways were directed to observe Thy statutes!

ו אָז לֹא-אֵבוֹשׁ-- בְּהַבִּיטִי, אֶל-כָּל-מִצְו[bless and do not curse]ֹתֶיךָ. 6 Then should I not be ashamed, when I have regard unto all Thy commandments.
ז אוֹדְךָ, בְּיֹשֶׁר לֵבָב-- בְּלָמְדִי, מִשְׁפְּטֵי צִדְקֶךָ. 7 I will give thanks unto Thee with uprightness of heart, when I learn Thy righteous ordinances.

ח אֶת-חֻקֶּיךָ אֶשְׁמֹר; אַל-תַּעַזְבֵנִי עַד-מְאֹד. 8 I will observe Thy statutes; O forsake me not utterly.

H4533 מסוה masveh mas-veh' Apparently from an unused root meaning to cover; a veil: - vail.

H4687 מצוה mitsvâh mits-vaw' From H6680; a command, whether human or divine (collectively the Law): - (which was) commanded (-ment), law, ordinance, precept.

could be a play on words too, for Christ is both the veil and the word.

These verses tie the two thoughts together:

Deu 11:8 Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be STRONG, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in STRENTH, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

End of yinonyavo study of Aleph
To be continued...

ContraMundum · Feb 25, 2012

aniello said:
Hi CM,

Are you still Amillenialist, that is against chiliasm, as you stated within the past year?

I encourage you to persist in that view, no problem to me. I'm not soliciting your response whatsoever.

Hi Brother,

Yes, I still would take that view. I don't think about that kind of stuff much these days anyway.

visionary · Feb 25, 2012

Steve Petersen said:
What is the passage where he says this?

Hebrews 10:11-25 references...the text says... "...by a NEW and LIVING way which He consecrated for us, through the VEIL, that is, HIS FLESH, ..."

Yahudim · Feb 25, 2012

Shalom All,

The study by yinonyavo of the Hebrew letter Tav is extensive and is broken into eight parts. For the purpose of this discussion, I will only post the introduction, that is the first part.

The Hebrew letter TAV the "mark of the Covenant"

TAV is the 22nd and final letter of the Hebrew alphabet. It therefore "marks" the completion of the letters or of God's WORD or Covenant, and at the same time represents the WHOLE of the Covenant or the MARK of the Covenant.

TAV literally means a mark. The ancient letter was in the form of an X or cross. Even today, someone who is illiterate signs their "mark" with an X......

It is used in Ezekiel chpt. 9 as the "MARK" (tav) put upon those who are to be spared from judgment. Some disagree as to whether this was in fact the letter tav(a cross) or some other mark.

If one goes through all the words which BEGIN with the letter TAV, you will notice that many have a root which does NOT begin with TAV, possibly indicating that the tav is a prefix. I found several that would make sense to say the TAV was added to the root to make a word that means the "mark of" whatever the root word means.....for example the word TORAH - law, comes from the root y'rah - to TEACH. The TORAH is the MARK of teaching or written teaching.

On the other hand, there are many words where, the fact that they END with a TAV is more significant, particularly those having to do with the COVENANT. The Hebrew word for covenant is b'riyT. The Hebrew word for a token of a covenant is owT. ALL the Hebrew words that are tokens of the various covenants end with a TAV (tree of knowledge(daT), Bow(quesheT), foreskin (orloT), etc.(there are SEVEN all together)

The letter TAV as a number has a value of 400. The first piece of the promised land purchased by Abraham for a burial site, was 400 pieces of silver..... the amount of time of sojourning by the children of Israel before entering the promised land. The promised land was symbolic of the whole Covenant, for it was the place of REST from their enemies.

TAV is spelled TAV(400)-VAV(6), so it has a total numeric value as a word of 406. 406 is a triangular number. Two of these 406 triangles overlapped form a star of David of 541. The numeric value of the word Israel is 541. (see link below)

The Number 541 - Israel and the Commandments

The 22nd use of the word mystery in the New Testament tells of the mystery of the woman and the beast and the fact that*(Rev 17:17) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

I'll continue later with the 7 tokens or seals of the covenant.

End of yinonyavo study of Tav PART I

For those of you that would like to read the original posts of yinonyavo, you can find them here: Jesus and the Hebrew Alphabet

Yahudim · Feb 26, 2012

If I were to draw any conclusions about Aleph-Tav it would be drawn from their acrostic usage in scripture. Not only is the usage verified in multiple ways, they are also consistent across many passages of scripture. For more information about accrostics, click here:Acrostic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yinonyavo said:
Psalm 119 is not the only chapter that is arranged like this. It is just the longest and most well known. There are several others. One that you might be familiar with is the 22 verses in Proverbs 31:10-31 about the "virtuous woman". Verse 1 starts with a word that begins with an aleph (A), verse 2 with a bet, and so on, all the way through the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Lamentation 1,2,3, & 4 the same (chpt 3 has 3 verses for each letter). Psalm 112 is about a righteous man, and is alphabetically arranged every HALF verse. There are several others. More often than not, when I looked at the verses for each of the letters, they would loosely or overtly reflect what I found to be the spiritual meaning of that letter.
In the case of the chapters I mentioned in Lamentations, which are JUDGMENT on Israel, they would reflect the exact opposite, as in the case with the ALEPH, instead of LIGHT, or STRENGTH IN UNITY and ONENESS with God, the judgment was "DARKNESS, WEAKNESS, ALONENESS", and DISASSOCIATION." (see Lam 1:1, 2:1, 4:1 and 3:1-3....these are all the "aleph" verses describing Israel's judgment.

In the case of the ALEPH verse of the virtuous woman, the word "virtuous", if you look it up in the Strongs (#242 means "STRENGTH or MIGHT".

What is significant to me is the fact that both its usage in the Hebrew language and the inspired authors of scripture equate the acrostic value of Aleph to the characteristics of Elohim. Think about that for a moment.

yinonyavo said:
It is used in Ezekiel chpt. 9 as the "MARK" (tav) put upon those who are to be spared from judgment. Some disagree as to whether this was in fact the letter tav(a cross) or some other mark.

If one goes through all the words which BEGIN with the letter TAV, you will notice that many have a root which does NOT begin with TAV, possibly indicating that the tav is a prefix. I found several that would make sense to say the TAV was added to the root to make a word that means the "mark of" whatever the root word means.....for example the word TORAH - law, comes from the root y'rah - to TEACH. The TORAH is the MARK of teaching or written teaching.

On the other hand, there are many words where, the fact that they END with a TAV is more significant, particularly those having to do with the COVENANT. The Hebrew word for covenant is b'riyT. The Hebrew word for a token of a covenant is owT. ALL the Hebrew words that are tokens of the various covenants end with a TAV (tree of knowledge(daT), Bow(quesheT), foreskin (orloT), etc.(there are SEVEN all together)

The letter TAV as a number has a value of 400. The first piece of the promised land purchased by Abraham for a burial site, was 400 pieces of silver..... the amount of time of sojourning by the children of Israel before entering the promised land. The promised land was symbolic of the whole Covenant, for it was the place of REST from their enemies.

In the above, I gather that the Tav, linguistically at least, is repeatedly related to things written or recorded in some manner. Now consider the acrostic relationship:

Psa 119:169 TAU. Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word.
Psa 119:170 Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.
Psa 119:171 My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
Psa 119:173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
Psa 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
Psa 119:175 Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.
Psa 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Thy word, thy commandments, thy precepts, thy statutes; are you seeing a theme here? I think I do and it is one repeated in other acrostics. So the question becomes, how do we determine the value of these two letters together? Again, I would turn to scripture:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The above is widely accepted in Messianic circles as a commentary on Genesis 1:1-4. I personally agree. And the only way this works is if the Aleph-Tav in Genesis 1:1 is the Word that John was referring to.

Now I know that most of you are going :doh:

duh! Really? We knew that. But that is not the point. The point is what Aleph means and what Tav means and what those two definitions joined together mean. If y'rah means 'instruction or teaching' and adding a Tav make it Torah, meaning written instruction; we can see how letter definitions combined work to change definition.

yinonyavo said:
On the other hand, there are many words where, the fact that they END with a TAV is more significant, particularly those having to do with the COVENANT. The Hebrew word for covenant is b'riyT. The Hebrew word for a token of a covenant is owT. ALL the Hebrew words that are tokens of the various covenants end with a TAV (tree of knowledge(daT), Bow(quesheT), foreskin (orloT), etc.(there are SEVEN all together)

So in this portion we see how yinonyavo illustrated that covenant word that end in Tav end up being 'marks' or 'signs' or 'tokens' of that covenant.

Aleph-tav is used as a “particle direct object marker homonym” in Hebrew and is used to "point to an object and place special emphasis". So if Aleph is characterized as "Primary, First, One, United, Strong, Leader, etc." and Tav is characterized as, "Thy word, thy commandments, thy precepts, thy statutes, etc."; do you see see how John came to the conclusion that he did?

While so far, this establishes a link between Gen 1:1, John 1:1 and Rev 1:8 concerning the 'Aleph-Tav', the 'Word' and 'I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending', there is more!

Blessings,

To be continued...

Yahudim · Feb 26, 2012

Shalom All,

I want for you to consider something radically different that what you have been used to. And I want to start here:

Remember this?

Alfred Edersheim: The Temple: Its Ministry and Services said:
The Altar of Incense and the Candlestick

We proceed to describe the service of those whose duty it was to cleanse the altar of incense and to dress the golden candlestick in the Holy Place. A few particulars as to each of these will not be out of place. The triumphal Arch of Titus in Rome bears a representation of the golden mortars in which the incense was bruised, and of the golden candlestick, but not the altar of incense. Still, we can form a sufficiently accurate idea of its appearance. It was square, one cubit long and broad, and two cubits high, that is, half a cubit higher than the table of shewbread, but one cubit lower than the candlestick, and it had 'horns' at each of its four corners. It was probably hollow, and its top covered with a golden plate, and like an Eastern roof, surrounded by what resembled a balustrade, to prevent the coals and incense from falling off. Below this balustrade was a massive crown of gold. The incense burned upon this altar was prepared of the four ingredients mentioned in Exodus 30:34, with which, according to the Rabbis, seven others were mixed, besides a small quantity of 'Ambra,' and of a herb which gave out a dense smoke. To these thirteen substances (Jos. Wars, v. 5. s.) salt was of course added. The mode of preparing the incense had been preserved in the family of Abtinas. The greatest care was taken to have the incense thoroughly bruised and mixed. Altogether 368 pounds were made for the year's consumption, about half a pound being used every morning and evening in the service. The censer for the Day of Atonement was different in size and appearance from that for ordinary days. The golden candlestick was like that delineated in Exodus 25:31, etc., and is sufficiently known from its representation on the Arch of Titus.

Now, while one set of priests were busy in the Court of the Priests offering the sacrifice, the two on whom it devolved to trim the lamps of the candlestick and to prepare the altar of incense had gone into the Holy Place. As nearly as possible while the lamb was being slain without, the first of these priests took with his hands the burnt coals and ashes from the golden altar, and put them into a golden vessel 'teni' withdrew, leaving it in the sanctuary. Similarly, as the blood of the lamb was being sprinkled on the altar of burnt-offering, the second priest ascended the three steps, hewn in stone, which led up to the candlestick. He trimmed and refilled the lamps that were still burning, removed the wick and old oil from those which had become extinguished, supplied fresh, and re-lit them from one of the other lamps. But the large central lamp, towards which all the others bent, and which was called the western, because it inclined westward towards the Most Holy Place, might only be re-lit by fire from the altar itself. Only five, however, of the lamps were then trimmed; the other two were reserved to a later period of the service.

Now I know that we have covered some of this before. But the order of the lighting of the Menorah struck a chord in me and I started asking my self some questions. Like what if the Appointed Times of the Messiah (because we know it was Messiah that fulfilled them) were to be observed in the order that the Menorah was to be lit. I know this sounds a little crazy, but stick with me for a minute, OK?

The Appointed Times are to be observed in a particular order by us. They progress in chronological order through the scriptural calendar. But what if the order of fulfillment was different than the order of observation? With the Menorah, the center lamp (Shamash) is lit first from the Altar that was lit by fire from heaven, right? We know that Messiah is represented in Gen 1:1 as the middle of the first seven words of scripture. So what if I told you that the Messiah was born on Sahvuot, the middle Appointed Time?

Most Messianics attempt to place His birth based on the order of the priestly course Abia, as found in Luke 1. I have an alternate explanation to offer you. What if the Abia was included in the account to distinguish WHICH Zachariah was meant? Abia is a familial designation and not JUST an order of service. And Zacharia was a VERY common name in the priesthood.

So what other clues are there? Let's look at the scriptures:

Luk 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
Luk 1:25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Now everyone assumes that because 'And in the sixth month' follows 'Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months' that 'in the sixth month' refers to Elizabeth's pregnancy. And that is what it is: assumption.

Let's consider something else for a moment. It is foundational to our beliefs that Messiah walked Torah without fault, right? And we know that many of the month names brought back from the Babylonian captivity were the names of false gods, right? We also know that Torah forbids the name of another 'god' to even be in the mouth of the Torah observant.

Exo_23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

It's pretty safe to say that Messiah observed this statute and taught His disciple to do the same, right? So what if 'in the sixth month' really means 'in the sixth month'? Then that changes everything!

The sixth month after the Aviv is the traditional season of teshuva (repentance or turning back)! (see:The Season of Teshuvah) This is when the angel visited Mary and told her that she would conceive in the near future. So if Messiah kept His Appointed Times, the next one would be the first day of the seventh month - Yom Teruah and Rosh Chodesh. On a particular year in history, there were a number of 'signs in the heavens'. On that year, it is recorded as a leap year among the Jews where an additional month was added to the calendar. And that year, there was exactly 280 days between Yom Teruah and Shavuot. For the men, 280 days is the normal length of a pregnancy.

Check out: Wondering about the 'Star of Wonder' - Technology & science - Science - Mysteries of the Universe - msnbc.com

I think that this is enough for now on the topic of the symbolic meaning of "Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." :bow:

I have somehow lost an entire post, so I'm taking a break! When I return I'll wrap up the rest of the symbolism related to Revelation and the morning service. Then we'll turn our attention to the evening service and the rest of the Revelation.

Blessings,

Yahudim · Feb 26, 2012

Having just gone back and read this thread I have come to a conclusion. It is really kinda scattered and I need an editor.

Any volunteers? Any suggestions? :wave:

visionary · Feb 26, 2012

talmidim said:
Having just gone back and read this thread I have come to a conclusion. It is really kinda scattered and I need and editor.

Any volunteers? Any suggestions?

me me me...

yedida · Feb 26, 2012

I'll defer to Vis. I have printed everything out but I haven't yet even caught up. That accounts for some of my silence, as well as waiting for it to complete (in no hurry, am enjoying this leisurely journey through times gone by, times that are and times to come).

Yahudim · Feb 26, 2012

visionary said:
me me me...

Really? Great! :clap:

Cause this needs to be put in a much more cohesive order. I would welcome the help. Are you any good at editing?? Obviously I have problems with it.

My plan is to ePublish, but I will not take money for any of this. I'm sure you understand. I just want to share.

Hey Yedida! Jump on in. No reason it can't be a collaborative effort. This is probably only a third or so of the material I want to add to this thread. My problem is that I see this stuff as so interconnected, I have such a problem deciding on a linear progression. There are so may circles within circles, it's kind of like an Escher drawing in my mind. He is so Awsome! :bow:

BTW, what did you think of the second part of THIS POST? Need some feedback. I know I didn't flesh it out very much.

visionary · Feb 26, 2012

talmidim said:
Really? Great! Cause this needs to be put in a much more cohesive order. I would welcome the help. Are you any good at editing?? Obviously I have problems with it.

My plan is to ePublish, but I will not take money for any of this. I'm sure you understand. I just want to share.

Hey Yedida! Jump on in. No reason it can't be a collaborative effort. This is probably only a third or so of the material I want to add to this thread. My problem is that I see this stuff as so interconnected, I have such a problem deciding on a linear progression. There are so may circles within circles, it's kind of like an Escher drawing in my mind. He is so Awsome!

BTW, what did you think of the second part of THIS POST? Need some feedback. I know I didn't flesh it out very much.

How do you explain the multidimensional aspects of the interconnections that the Lord has woven into the very fabric of His grand plan in a linear fashion that our finite minds can comprehend cohesively. IT is like a ball of yarn that the cat has been playing with all day...sorry Yedida.. ^_^

What is your theme?

visionary · Feb 26, 2012

talmidim said:
Shalom All,

I want for you to consider something radically different that what you have been used to. And I want to start here:

Remember this? Now I know that we have covered some of this before. But the order of the lighting of the Menorah struck a chord in me and I started asking my self some questions. Like what if the Appointed Times of the Messiah (because we know it was Messiah that fulfilled them) were to be observed in the order that the Menorah was to be lit. I know this sounds a little crazy, but stick with me for a minute, OK?

The Appointed Times are to be observed in a particular order by us. They progress in chronological order through the scriptural calendar. But what if the order of fulfillment was different than the order of observation? With the Menorah, the center lamp (Shamash) is lit first from the Altar that was lit by fire from heaven, right? We know that Messiah is represented in Gen 1:1 as the middle of the first seven words of scripture. So what if I told you that the Messiah was born on Sahvuot, the middle Appointed Time?

Most Messianics attempt to place His birth based on the order of the priestly course Abia, as found in Luke 1. I have an alternate explanation to offer you. What if the Abia was included in the account to distinguish WHICH Zachariah was meant? Abia is a familial designation and not JUST an order of service. And Zacharia was a VERY common name in the priesthood.

So what other clues are there? Let's look at the scriptures:Now everyone assumes that because 'And in the sixth month' follows 'Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months' that 'in the sixth month' refers to Elizabeth's pregnancy. And that is what it is: assumption.

Let's consider something else for a moment. It is foundational to our beliefs that Messiah walked Torah without fault, right? And we know that many of the month names brought back from the Babylonian captivity were the names of false gods, right? We also know that Torah forbids the name of another 'god' to even be in the mouth of the Torah observant.It's pretty safe to say that Messiah observed this statute and taught His disciple to do the same, right? So what if 'in the sixth month' really means 'in the sixth month'? Then that changes everything!

The sixth month after the Aviv is the traditional season of teshuva (repentance or turning back)! (see:The Season of Teshuvah) This is when the angel visited Mary and told her that she would conceive in the near future. So if Messiah kept His Appointed Times, the next one would be the first day of the seventh month - Yom Teruah and Rosh Chodesh. On a particular year in history, there were a number of 'signs in the heavens'. On that year, it is recorded as a leap year among the Jews where an additional month was added to the calendar. And that year, there was exactly 280 days between Yom Teruah and Shavuot. For the men, 280 days is the normal length of a pregnancy.

Check out: Wondering about the 'Star of Wonder' - Technology & science - Science - Mysteries of the Universe - msnbc.com

I think that this is enough for now on the topic of the symbolic meaning of "Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

I have somehow lost an entire post, so I'm taking a break! When I return I'll wrap up the rest of the symbolism related to Revelation and the morning service. Then we'll turn our attention to the evening service and the rest of the Revelation.

Blessings,

I have some questions..
Is there a order to the lighting of the candles like right to left or inside to the outside? Or does it run on the left side first towards the center then out from the center to the right and that way still keep the order of the feasts? You see I still lean on the fact that just as Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts in their order so also will the fall feasts be fulfilled in their order. The only difference is that Yeshua came before the spring feasts started.. Yeshua worked as our High Priest in the interim... and the fall feasts lead up to His second coming. .. on the eighth day... of Sukkot

visionary · Feb 26, 2012

talmidim said:
Really? Great! Cause this needs to be put in a much more cohesive order. I would welcome the help. Are you any good at editing?? Obviously I have problems with it.

My plan is to ePublish, but I will not take money for any of this. I'm sure you understand. I just want to share.

Hey Yedida! Jump on in. No reason it can't be a collaborative effort. This is probably only a third or so of the material I want to add to this thread. My problem is that I see this stuff as so interconnected, I have such a problem deciding on a linear progression. There are so may circles within circles, it's kind of like an Escher drawing in my mind. He is so Awsome!

BTW, what did you think of the second part of THIS POST? Need some feedback. I know I didn't flesh it out very much.

Let me ask a few questions..

What is the theme of your book?
Where do you want it to go with it?
Who is your target audience?

That will give me some format to follow.. I may ask more later.

Yahudim · Feb 26, 2012

visionary said:
I have some questions..
Is there a order to the lighting of the candles like right to left or inside to the outside? Or does it run on the left side first towards the center then out from the center to the right and that way still keep the order of the feasts? You see I still lean on the fact that just as Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts in their order so also will the fall feasts be fulfilled in their order. The only difference is that Yeshua came before the spring feasts started.. Yeshua worked as our High Priest in the interim... and the fall feasts lead up to His second coming. .. on the eighth day... of Sukkot

I'm not sure of the order except that the Shamash was lit off the Altar and it was lit from above. I presume that there was an order and I would think right to left, the same direction Hebrew is written. But again, these are presumptions that need to be researched. I just noticed the similarity in the order of the Gen 1:1 and the Menorah.

So what about Luke 1? That is what I find exciting!

visionary · Feb 26, 2012

What if the Abia was included in the account to distinguish WHICH Zachariah was meant? Abia is a familial designation and not JUST an order of service. And Zacharia was a VERY common name in the priesthood.

Before I even get to Luke.. I have to have this passage explained in more depth... As you say it is an alternative thought... and to be fair.. my trip up comes with the common.. born on Sukkot... which backs me into Abia as the order of service in this case.

Yahudim · Feb 26, 2012

visionary said:
Let me ask a few questions..

What is the theme of your book?
Where do you want it to go with it?
Who is your target audience?

That will give me some format to follow.. I may ask more later.

This is where I have trouble. I want the reader to know that scripture will define the symbolism used in deciphering prophecy and 'dark sayings'. I want to tell them where to look and for what. I want to show that there are patterns and themes that also define prophetic symbolism and covenant truths. And I want to show how scriptural symbolism starts with the pictographic letter definitions of Ancient Hebrew.

Perhaps there are a few books here...

MJ Only Revelation and the Yom Kippur Temple Service

Y'shua is His Name

Y'shua HaMoshiach Messianic

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