the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

1Prophetess · Feb 19, 2012

Good grief! I can't believe you would argue that.

Where did Abraham get his seed genetics? Don't ya think it came through Adam?

cupid dave · Feb 20, 2012

Originally Posted by cupid dave

Prophetess:

What say you...

For people who see the fruit as symbolic of Original Sin, passed down to us all through Adam, the issue today becomes one of some Trait passed on genetically.

Since Charity is the saving works specifically demanded by Christ in Matthew 24:31, it makes sense that this Trait in us is Selfishness.

he-man said:

he-man said:
Mat 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Typo...

Thank you Mr He-man.

I meant Matt 25:31

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

he-man · Feb 20, 2012

1Prophetess said:
Good grief! I can't believe you would argue that. Where did Abraham get his seed genetics? Don't ya think it came through Adam?

Yes, that is why Christ had to die. He was also under the Law of Sin and death Even though he, himself, did not sin, his body was of the same sinful nature that we are.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?none is good except one,God.

Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Mr 6:3 Is not this person the mason,1 the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and Juda, and Simon? and is not anyone here besides us and his sisters? And they were scandalized in him.
1* Greek 5045 τέκτονος τέκτων mason
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Wheeler · Feb 22, 2012

History shall repeat itself.

As the men of Sodom evilly behaved, so shall religious men who will not receive the love of the revealed Truth and be saved in this coming time. They will follow in their same footsteps only to be blinded because of their unbelief of the Word.

Genesis 19:10-11 KJV
(10) But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
(11) And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

They will have willfully dulled their ears of hearing and willingly have closed their eyes . They will hear but not believe in the knowledge of the Truth in these last days.

Instead, the secrets of the parables will stay hidden from them. What they may have understood shall be removed from their hearts.

Matthew 13:10-16 KJV
(10) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
(11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
(12) For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
(13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Like the men of Sodom.like the Pharisees..they will be blinded for their hardness of heart.

(14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
(15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
(16) But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

God will drive out those men and He will place at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims and a flaming sword. The wicked shall not know peace (Eden).

Cherubims = the parables. To them will not be given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. The flaming sword which shall turn every way is their tongue which shall utter all kinds of evil.

Genesis 3:23-24 KJV
(23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
(24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

The flaming sword shall be their tongue. The mouth shall speak like the piercings of a sword.

Proverbs 12:18 KJV
(18) There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise is health.

A wholesome tongue .a HEALING tongue.is a tree of life to those who hear and believe in what it says.

But the mouths of the wicked shall pour out evil..wherein they shall not be healed of while they continue to do it. The heart shall eat the fruit of the tongue..whether it be life or death.

Proverbs 15:4 KJV
(4) A wholesome tongue is a tree of life:but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.

Whosoever shall keep his mouth and his tongue shall keep his soul from troubles.

Proverbs 21:23 KJV
(23) Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.

Evil men shall hear the knowledge of God being revealed but will not give Him the glory. They will not be thankful for what they will hear but instead will turn their ears from the Truth and will become vain in their imaginations. They shall depart from the living God with an unbelieving, evil heart as they will rail against His Word because of the covetousness in their hearts.

Romans 1:21 KJV
(21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

God shall give them up unto their vile affections. Their women..which is their TONGUESwill they change the natural use into that which is against nature.

The woman is the tongue of the hidden man of the heart. They work in cooperation as in a marriage.

But some in this last day shall change the natural use of the tongue.which is to have love for one another.. into that which is against nature by using it for evil, wrath, backbiting, debate, deceit, maliciousness, pride, etc.

Romans 1:26-32 KJV
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

The natural use of the tongue is for speaking in love to one another.

Love is patient. It is kind and does not envy. Love does not exalt itself and does not puff up. Love does not behave itself unseemly, nor does it seek its own, nor is easily provoked. Love rejoices in the Truth. All of these things are the natural use of the tongue.of the women.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 KJV
(4) Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
(5) Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
(6) Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
(7) Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

As they will abandon the natural use of the woman.that is, the tonguein order to speak all kinds of evil against the Truth and those who will receive the Truth, they shall have pleasure within their hearts (the hidden man of the heart) for those who will join along with them men with men working with that which is unseemly.

They will have forsaken the holy covenant altogether for they will not receive the love of the knowledge of the Truth. They will change the natural use of the tongue (having love for one another) to that which is against natureevil speaking.

They will count the blood of the covenant wherein they were sanctified as an unholy thing.a common thing. Speaking evil will not be a big thing for them as they will have no fear of God.

They will have done despite unto the Spirit of grace.they will speak evil of those who have not resisted them.who have returned good for their evilwho have loved them back for their hate.

Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV
(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
(31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

They will condemn and kill the just with their tongues. They will do despite the Spirit of grace.the breath of those who speak good for their evil. They will do despite the Spirit of grace.killing the just who will not resist them. The just will not render evil for their evil..

James 5:5-6 KJV
(5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
(6) Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

Evil men shall seek each others praise.honorfor their evil speaking. They will pat each other on the back and support one another in their attacks of those who will no longer run with them. They will burn in their lust one toward another.as they take pleasure in their hearts for one another..seeking to be reinforced by each others praise. This is NOT about homosexuality as some think as they look through a glass darkly. They will have pleasure in their hearts for those who will join along with their evil.

Romans 1: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And so as they will not like to retain God in their knowledge..disapproving of what they hear, God shall give them over to a disapproved mind to be fill with all unrighteousness. They will be blinded as they continue their onslaught of those who do receive the Truth. They will weary themselves in evil speaking (their women the tongue. giving up the natural use for speaking in love) as they seek for the just to open the door of their mouths in sin..rendering evil for evil.

(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

men with men working that which is unseemly..

(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

They will have a false sense of security while doing these things. peace and safety. The Lord knows how to reserve the unjust (those who walk after the covetousness in their hearts and will despise His government over them) unto the Day of Judgment to be punished..

2 Peter 2:9-11 KJV
(9) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
(10) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government.Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
(11) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

to be continued..

x141 · Feb 22, 2012

The law is of the tree of knowledge, of the woman that is between our ears. Though we are free from the law of our husband (Adam) we become contrary to ourselves. We become a law unto ourselves.

Rom 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Wheeler · Feb 23, 2012

History shall repeat itself.

Perilous times shall come.especially for those who (who will be like Lot) will linger around in their religious institutions as the Truth is being revealed. The men who will not bridle their tongues.their religions are vain. They will rise up in their pride to trash-talk the Truth and slander those who will receive it. We are to depart from them.never looking back.

2 Timothy 3:1-9 KJV
(1) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
(2) For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
(3) Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(4) Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

From such we are to turn away. This is how we will judge the world.by leaving this current religious world with all of its sins and errors. We are to come out from among them.leaving all of their thingstheir teachings.behind us and never looking back.

(5) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
(6) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

These men shall be ever learning but will never be able to come to the acknowledgement of the Truth.

(7) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Instead, they will resist the Truth. They will not believe in the Truth.

(8) Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Their folly shall be revealed unto all.as the hidden man of sin shall be revealed to all by his wrathful mouth.

(9) But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Pray that your flight from them be not in the winter.for their love shall wax cold as they perish in their hearts.

Mark 13:18-20 KJV
(18) And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

For those who linger shall be afflicted with their evil speaking and insults. Who would want to stick around as the unbelievers perish inside and speak all kinds of evil of you?

(19) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

But like Lot, the Lord shall deliver those who will linger.

(20) And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

If we stay behind, we shall be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

Genesis 19:15 KJV
(15) And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

Where their worm shall not die nor their fire be quenched.

Mark 9:43-44 KJV
(43) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
(44) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Their folly shall be manifest for all to see.

The Hebrew word for worm comes from yaw-lah which means to blurt or utter inconsiderately, devour. Their tongues shall blurt out all kinds of evil and the tongue will be a fire..bringing themselves all kinds of troubles upon them as judgment.

Isaiah 66:24 KJV
(24) And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

We are to depart from them so as not to be entangled in the sins of the city.the evil speaking and the plagues that will come upon them as a result.

Let us run with patience the race that is set before us while considering him that also endured such contradiction of sinners against himself. Let us flee to Jesus. Let us flee to the mountains of righteousness.

Hebrews 12:1-4 KJV
(1) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
(2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(3) For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
(4) Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

And we are not to take anything with us as we leave them.none of their covetous teachings.none of their traditions.none of their commandmentsNOTHING. Neither are we not to render their evil for evil. We are to leave it all behind as we flee to His mountains of righteousness. Remember Lots wife.

Genesis 19:24-26 KJV
(24) Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
(25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
(26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

Remember Lots wife. Let us not return back to those dead works and teachings of religious men but leave them all behind.

Luke 17:30-33 KJV
(30) Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
(31) In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
(32) Remember Lot's wife.
(33) Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Neither are we to wish them well.. those who will NOT believe. as we depart.

2 John 1:10-11 KJV
(10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
(11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Do not even bid them farewell.but let the dead bury their dead. For no man having put his hand to the plough and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God.

Luke 9:59-62 KJV
(59) And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
(60) Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
(61) And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
(62) And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

His servants are not to stay and fight them.but LEAVE them. The unbelieversthe sinners. will resist the Truth: that His kingdom is not of this world.

His kingdom is not in their religious institutions.their current teachingstheir commandments and traditions of men. Religious men will resist this Truth as they will put their own thoughts and ways higher than His.

But the Word of God is King of kings and Lord and lords.and every knee show bow and every tongue shall confess this. His kingdom is NOT of this religious world. His thoughts and ways are HIGHER than our religious thoughts and ways which are from below.

John 18:36-38 KJV
(36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
(37) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
(38) Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

x141 · Feb 23, 2012

He delivereth the poor in his affliction, and openeth their ears in oppression.
Even so would he have removed thee out of the strait into a broad place, where there is no straitness; and that which should be set on thy table should be full of fatness. But thou hast fulfilled the judgment of the wicked (you can see this in Elihu's words): judgment and justice take hold on thee.

Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.

Also against his three friends was his wrath kindled, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job.

There is so much more than what you are seeing.

Wheeler · Feb 24, 2012

Love is not proud....it does not exalt itself over another.

Religious men shall hate us for the Truth in this coming time. They will love this present world.though His kingdom is not of this world. They will not lose their lives to save it as they will try to preserve mans religious things. They will not be of a poor and contrite spirit and will not tremble at His Word as they will exalt themselves against what they will hear in these last days.

Isaiah 66:1-6 KJV
(1) Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
(2) For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

They will kill the preachers of the Truth with their tongues.their evil speaking. Hating someone is murder. They will kill, yet, they will think they are doing God service by doing so. They will bless God and with the same mouth curse the men who have been made in His image.

(3) He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

In this last day..they will not answer when He calls. They will not hear. They will not confirm the covenant.but will forsake it by not having love for others and will join along with the others who do the same. They will do evil before His eyes..that is, before His knowledge that will be preached to them. They will speak evil of what they will hear and will choose that which He delights not in.

(4) I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

They shall hate us and cast us out for His names sake.for we shall recognize Jehovahs authority over us and will do His Word. In the end, they shall be ashamed.

(5) Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
(6) A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

The fullness of sin shall be reached as religious men shall speak evil against the knowledge of God.before the face of Jehovah.

Genesis 19:12-13 KJV
(12) And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
(13) For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

The wicked shall not understand.

Proverbs 4:19 KJV
(19) The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

They will be the angelsthe messengers of wrath who will not keep themselves in Christ. They will have left their own habitation..for having love for one another. Outside in the darkness will be those who receive not the love of the Truth and be saved.until the judgment of the great Day.

Jude 1:5-8 KJV
(5) I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
(6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

They will not tremble at His Word.nor be of a contrite and humbled spirit. Instead, they will defile the flesh by their evil speaking. What will come out of the heart is what will defile it when there is no longer any more sacrifice for their willful sins.evil speaking.

(8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Lot tried to teach the evil men of Sodom.

Lot was a teacher of the wicked when they came to his door. Lot was righteoushe was a perfect man.because he did not offend in word when they came to insult him.

James 3:1-2 KJV
(1) My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
(2) For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

A blameless teacher has to have one wife.

The wife is the TONGUE that must be in subjection to the husband..the hidden man of the heart.Christ Jesus. He must not be accused of riot or being unruly (rendering evil for evil) when confronted by the naysayersthe opposition..the contradictors.

Lot demonstrated this as he did not render evil for the evil that the men of Sodom launched at him. He had faithful childrenthat is, he practiced what he preachedshowing love to their opposition. The children are the words.the teachings. of the commandments of God to have love for one another. Lot taught and DID the Word. He practiced what he preached.

Titus 1:6-16 KJV
(6) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Lot was a blameless teacher.a good steward of God.teaching the Word to the men of Sodom. He was not self-willed.not soon angryand was not given to winethat is, he was not given to covetousness....the love of money which is the root of all evil. No deceit was found in his mouth.

(7) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Lot was just..

(8) But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

He held fast the faithful Word as he had been taught (keeping the two angels in his house)so that he would be able by sound teaching both to convince and exhort the gainsayers of Sodom. He practiced what he preached.

(9) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
(10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
(11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
(12) One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
(13) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
(14) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

But to the men of Sodomto the men of wrath.to the defiled and unbelievingnothing that was preached was pure. The daughters of Lot knew no man. His teachings (the two daughters) were not motivated by deceit nor anger. The minds and consciences of the men of Sodom were defiled as they were covetous men.lovers of money and themselves and took pleasure in all of those who joined them.

(15) Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure;but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

The men of Sodom in this last day shall profess they know God but in works will really deny Him.for they will hate their brothers who will preach the Truth to them.just as they did to Lot.

(16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Lot tried to teach them.the two daughtersto not do wickedly but to love God and have love for one another. His teachings of the two commandments were done lawfully.for he practiced what he preached. He did not render evil for their evil.

He urged them to do what he taught.. do ye to them as good in your eyes. We have the knowledge to do good.to do the Word of God. It is not hidden anywhere.we know how to do good to another. We know His will.to have love for one another.

Genesis 19:7-9 KJV
(7) And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
(8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Yet.they did not want to hear it. They did not want to be taught. They did not want to be reminded. They did not do His will. They despised dominion. They despised government..and spoke evil of dignities.

(9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

The two daughters of Lot were pure.having not known man. That is, Lots wordshis teachingswere not tainted by religious mans covetousness (deceit).nor were they a result of wrath. Even a child is known by his doings.whether his work be pure and right. Lot practiced what he preached.

Proverbs 20:11 KJV
(11) Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure,and whether it be right.

The two daughters of covetous men are not pure. All their teachings cry: give, give. That is all anyone hears anymore from men. Everything is centered around giving. They taketaketake.because of the covetousness in their hearts.

Proverbs 30:15 KJV
(15) The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, give. There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough:

It is more blessed to give Truth than to receive others silver, gold or apparel. Yet, that is what most are teaching..for the sheep to give, give.and they take, take.

Acts 20:33-35 KJV
(33) I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
(34) Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
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x141 · Feb 24, 2012

The wife is the tongue, I can see this, she gives birth to life and death, but Jesus' bride is not a tongue.

Isa 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

cupid dave · Feb 24, 2012

Wheeler said:
History shall repeat itself.

As the men of Sodom evilly behaved, so shall religious men who will not receive the love of the revealed Truth and be saved in this coming time. They will follow in their same footsteps only to be blinded because of their unbelief of the Word...

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he-man · Feb 25, 2012

cupid dave said:
Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away (in the spirit of thought), into the wilderness (of my imagination) and I saw (as if) a woman, (those who have Institutionalized a system of sexual seduction into a failed matrimony), sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (of a brazen and corrupt sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]
full of names of (Pagan) blasphemy, having seven heads: (which existed in:(1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia/Mede,(5) Greece, (6) Rome (7) the whole of Western Culture to follow) (America next?)

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, (America next?) then shall the Son also himself be subject to Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Wheeler · Feb 25, 2012

Sin is speaking evil with our mouths. Sin is given "birth" from the "woman"...the tongue...and the "children" are the wrathful words.

When we hear the revealed Word of God in this last day, we are to be quick to hear, slow to wrath and SLOW.SLOW..SLOW to speak. Sin is speaking evil because we are angry at what we will hear.

The wicked will perceive the Truth as not their truth and so will have the desire in their hearts to oppose it.

Sin is first conceived in the heart by wrathby the covetousness.that is within. When lust has conceived, it brings forth to birth sin.speaking evil out of our mouths.

This is not a light thing and needs to be taken very seriously as when it is finishedthat is, the sacrifice for our IGNORANT sins, it will bring forth death within our hearts as the love will wax cold. There will no longer be any more sacrifice for WILLFUL sins after the receiving of the knowledge of the Truth.

James 1:14-16 KJV
(14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Do not err

(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Words can be seen as children. The heart which is the hidden man .causes the womanthe tongue..to bring to birth words out of the mouth.

Blessed are the barren.those who will not bear words of wrath in this last day. More will be the children of the desolate (those who keep their mouths shut) than those who will speak multitudes of evil words out of their wrath.

Isaiah 54:1 KJV
(1) Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

Woe unto them that are with child.words of wrath.and to those who will nourish their evil words.causing them their sin to grow by their multitude of words. There shall be great distress in the land.in the heartin the days of His vengeance when He will judge His people for every idle word.

Luke 21:22-23 KJV
(22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
(23) But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

In the days of His vengeance, He has prepared for the wicked (those who will speak evil of the Truth and of those who will receive it) the instruments of death.that is, their own tongues.

Psalms 7:11-17 KJV
(11) God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
(12) If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
(13) He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.

For the wicked in this last day will travail with iniquity and will have conceived mischief and will bring forth falsehood.

(14) Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

The words of the wicked shall come back upon their own heads.

(15) He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
(16) His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
(17) I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

Let us look at Cain again. Cain was instructed to do well. Sin lies at the door of the mouth.for Cain was full of wrath. He was to overcome this wrath and not speak out. The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God for it usually comes out of the mouth at the worst possible time..at the revealing of the Son of man. We are to RULE over sin and not let sin have dominion over us.

Genesis 4:6-7 KJV
(6) And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth?and why is thy countenance fallen?
(7) If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Sin shall not rule over us like a king. We are not to yield our members (tongues) as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin..evil speaking.

Romans 6: 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,but under grace.

The law is not made for a righteous man.those who will believe in the Truth and will do His Word.

The law is made for those lawless and disobedient.for the ungodly and for sinners. The law is made for all of those who will speak evil out of their mouths at the revealing of the Truth in this last day. They will contradict the sound doctrine in this coming time. They will not have love for those who will preach the Truth. They will not love His Word enough to do it.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 KJV
(8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
(11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

The lawless.like Cain.will let sin rule over them as their king.

Molech means king is the sin that will come out of their mouths. They will let their words pass through the fire.their wrathunto sin. Molech.

Molech is letting sin have dominion over your mouth. They will speak evil words to profane the name of our God. They will not accept His authority over their hearts and mouths at the revealing of His Word.

Leviticus 18:21 KJV
(21) And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

If any give any of his seed unto Molech..that is, letting evil words of wrath come out of the mouth against the Truth, he shall surely be put to death. We are to separate from their company.come out from among them. We are to put away that wicked from among us.

Leviticus 20:1-5 KJV
(1) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
(2) Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Religious men shall be full of wrath in this last day as the Truth shall show that all of their offerings are not respected.for they are of the fruit of the ground.of covetous mens hearts.motivated by envy and strife. Their worship is in vain..mere commandments and doctrines of men.

Yet, at the hearing of this, they will be wrathful and will have the desire to oppose and speak evil. Those who will let sin rule over their mouths shall speak evil.giving his seed unto Molech (sin as king) to profane His holy name.His authority.

(3) And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.

We are not to keep company with them.or be guilty by association. By keeping company with those who will speak evil of the Truth in this last day shows that we are in agreement with his evil words even though we do not join along with them by speaking. Sitting in silence with them is silent agreement. We are to separate from them.

(4) And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
We are to separate from their company.from those who sit with them in silent complicity and those who will join along with them in their speaking.

(5) Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off,and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.

We are to reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin.speaking not evil.

Romans 6:11-18 KJV
(11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not sin.reign in our mortal body (our hearts).that we should obey it in the lusts thereof. Let not wrath escape from our mouths.

(12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Let not our tongues be used to speak out of wrath.being used as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin. We are to yield our tongues as instruments of righteousness unto God. The "bride" of Christ makes herself ready to preach His Word to others.

(13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over us Molech.

(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Yielding ourselves to sin brings forth death after we have received the knowledge of the Truth. Who wants to have sin rule over us (Molech= king) as we cause our words to pass through the fire of wrath unto sin? Isnt better to yield to God with our tongues and be His servants?

(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We were all servants of sin..before hearing the revealed Word of Truth. Our Lord and Savior died for our sins.our sins of ignoranceas we judge each other over doctrines and commandments of mans vanity. We have lived in envy and strifespeaking sins dailynot knowing what we do. Our Lord had died for our sins of this ignorance.

(17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

We are to assemble ourselves in the Truth in this last dayas a building that is built with love and peace in Him. We are to be of one mind and one body in Him.

Hebrews 10:23-31 KJV
(23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
(24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
(25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

But some will not want others to assemble in the Truth. Instead, they will willfully sinspeaking evil in defiance. after they have received the knowledge of the Truth and there shall no longer be any more sacrifice for sins.

(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

We are not to render evil for their evil.as vengeance belongs unto God who will recompense.

(30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
(31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

timbo3 · Feb 25, 2012

Many people are under the impression that the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden represented sexual relations. However, that is not what the Bible teaches. Consider: Even before Eve was created, God commanded Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. (Genesis 2:15-18)

Because Adam was alone, this prohibition could not have referred to sexual relations. In addition, God gave Adam and Eve an unambiguous command to be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. (Genesis 1:28) Would a loving God instruct the first couple to fill the earthwhich, of course, involved having sexual relationsand then sentence them to death for obeying his instructions?(1 John 4:8)

Furthermore, it was when Eves husband was not with her that she began taking of [the forbidden] fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it.(Genesis 3:6) Finally, Adam and Eve were not censured when they had relations and brought forth children. (Genesis 4:1, 2) Clearly, the fruit that Adam and Eve ate did not represent their having sexual relations but was literal fruit that grew on a tree.

x141 · Feb 26, 2012

Wheeler said:
Sin is speaking evil with our mouths. Sin is given "birth" from the "woman"...the tongue...and the "children" are the wrathful words.

When we hear the revealed Word of God in this last day, we are to be quick to hear, slow to wrath and SLOW.SLOW..SLOW to speak. Sin is speaking evil because we are angry at what we will hear.

The wicked will perceive the Truth as not their truth and so will have the desire in their hearts to oppose it.

Sin is first conceived in the heart by wrathby the covetousness.that is within. When lust has conceived, it brings forth to birth sin.speaking evil out of our mouths.

This is not a light thing and needs to be taken very seriously as when it is finishedthat is, the sacrifice for our IGNORANT sins, it will bring forth death within our hearts as the love will wax cold. There will no longer be any more sacrifice for WILLFUL sins after the receiving of the knowledge of the Truth.

James 1:14-16 KJV
(14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Do not err

(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Words can be seen as children. The heart which is the hidden man .causes the womanthe tongue..to bring to birth words out of the mouth.

Blessed are the barren.those who will not bear words of wrath in this last day. More will be the children of the desolate (those who keep their mouths shut) than those who will speak multitudes of evil words out of their wrath.

Isaiah 54:1 KJV
(1) Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

Woe unto them that are with child.words of wrath.and to those who will nourish their evil words.causing them their sin to grow by their multitude of words. There shall be great distress in the land.in the heartin the days of His vengeance when He will judge His people for every idle word.

Luke 21:22-23 KJV
(22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
(23) But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

In the days of His vengeance, He has prepared for the wicked (those who will speak evil of the Truth and of those who will receive it) the instruments of death.that is, their own tongues.

Psalms 7:11-17 KJV
(11) God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
(12) If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
(13) He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.

For the wicked in this last day will travail with iniquity and will have conceived mischief and will bring forth falsehood.

(14) Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

The words of the wicked shall come back upon their own heads.

(15) He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
(16) His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
(17) I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

Let us look at Cain again. Cain was instructed to do well. Sin lies at the door of the mouth.for Cain was full of wrath. He was to overcome this wrath and not speak out. The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God for it usually comes out of the mouth at the worst possible time..at the revealing of the Son of man. We are to RULE over sin and not let sin have dominion over us.

Genesis 4:6-7 KJV
(6) And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth?and why is thy countenance fallen?
(7) If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Sin shall not rule over us like a king. We are not to yield our members (tongues) as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin..evil speaking.

Romans 6: 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,but under grace.

The law is not made for a righteous man.those who will believe in the Truth and will do His Word.

The law is made for those lawless and disobedient.for the ungodly and for sinners. The law is made for all of those who will speak evil out of their mouths at the revealing of the Truth in this last day. They will contradict the sound doctrine in this coming time. They will not have love for those who will preach the Truth. They will not love His Word enough to do it.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 KJV
(8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
(11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

The lawless.like Cain.will let sin rule over them as their king.

Molech means king is the sin that will come out of their mouths. They will let their words pass through the fire.their wrathunto sin. Molech.

Molech is letting sin have dominion over your mouth. They will speak evil words to profane the name of our God. They will not accept His authority over their hearts and mouths at the revealing of His Word.

Leviticus 18:21 KJV
(21) And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

If any give any of his seed unto Molech..that is, letting evil words of wrath come out of the mouth against the Truth, he shall surely be put to death. We are to separate from their company.come out from among them. We are to put away that wicked from among us.

Leviticus 20:1-5 KJV
(1) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
(2) Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Religious men shall be full of wrath in this last day as the Truth shall show that all of their offerings are not respected.for they are of the fruit of the ground.of covetous mens hearts.motivated by envy and strife. Their worship is in vain..mere commandments and doctrines of men.

Yet, at the hearing of this, they will be wrathful and will have the desire to oppose and speak evil. Those who will let sin rule over their mouths shall speak evil.giving his seed unto Molech (sin as king) to profane His holy name.His authority.

(3) And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.

We are not to keep company with them.or be guilty by association. By keeping company with those who will speak evil of the Truth in this last day shows that we are in agreement with his evil words even though we do not join along with them by speaking. Sitting in silence with them is silent agreement. We are to separate from them.

(4) And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
We are to separate from their company.from those who sit with them in silent complicity and those who will join along with them in their speaking.

(5) Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off,and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.

We are to reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin.speaking not evil.

Romans 6:11-18 KJV
(11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not sin.reign in our mortal body (our hearts).that we should obey it in the lusts thereof. Let not wrath escape from our mouths.

(12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Let not our tongues be used to speak out of wrath.being used as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin. We are to yield our tongues as instruments of righteousness unto God. The "bride" of Christ makes herself ready to preach His Word to others.

(13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over us Molech.

(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Yielding ourselves to sin brings forth death after we have received the knowledge of the Truth. Who wants to have sin rule over us (Molech= king) as we cause our words to pass through the fire of wrath unto sin? Isnt better to yield to God with our tongues and be His servants?

(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We were all servants of sin..before hearing the revealed Word of Truth. Our Lord and Savior died for our sins.our sins of ignoranceas we judge each other over doctrines and commandments of mans vanity. We have lived in envy and strifespeaking sins dailynot knowing what we do. Our Lord had died for our sins of this ignorance.

(17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

We are to assemble ourselves in the Truth in this last dayas a building that is built with love and peace in Him. We are to be of one mind and one body in Him.

Hebrews 10:23-31 KJV
(23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
(24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
(25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

But some will not want others to assemble in the Truth. Instead, they will willfully sinspeaking evil in defiance. after they have received the knowledge of the Truth and there shall no longer be any more sacrifice for sins.

(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

We are not to render evil for their evil.as vengeance belongs unto God who will recompense.

(30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
(31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Unless you have seen all their is to see of God who has no depth, height etc. then there is more that you are not seeing. Many streams (not the baptist, charismatics etc.) make glad the city of God.

Wheeler · Feb 26, 2012

This is all about the heart.the hidden man..and the tongue..the wife so to speak. The woman gives the hidden man.the heart. fruit to eat. A mans belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth.

Proverbs 18:20-23 KJV
(20) A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

They that love the tongue shall eat the fruit of it.whether it be death or life. The power of the tongue = the hand of the tongue.

(21) Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Those who find a wife.a good and humbled tongue towards His knowledge of the Truth.finds a good thing and obtains favor of Jehovah.

(22) Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

The poor.the humbled..uses entreaties (prayer of thankfulness) and will receive the love of the Truth while the rich will answer roughly against His Word of Truth because of the covetousness in their hearts.

(23) The poor useth intreaties; but the rich answereth roughly.

The power of the tongue = the hand of the tongue. The poor uses intreatiesthat is a thankful prayer. We are to praise Him and be thankful unto Him for His Truth.

Psalms 100:1-5 KJV
(1) A Psalm of praise. Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.
(2) Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
(3) Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
(4) Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
(5) For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

When one hears the revealed Word of God, the hidden man of the heart is to be holy in his speech (lifting up holy hands in thankfulness).without wrath and doubting. Speaking wrath with the tongue = transgression=sin.

1 Timothy 2:8-15 KJV
(8) I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

The tongue is not to be adorned with flattering, deceitful words but with honesty.

(9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

If we are professing godliness, then we should act like it in our words to others who are presenting the knowledge of the Truth to them. (Women professing godliness = the tongue).

(10) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.in other words, hold your tongue while others are preaching the Truth to you. Dont speak in wrath and doubting in opposition. Dont try to teach those who are in Christ and speak His words because one thinks they are in error.

(11) Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

If we are professing ourselves godly, then we should act like it in speech. Hold the tongue. The hidden man of the heart is to rule over his tongue and keep it silent as he hears the Word being preached to him. The tongue should not rule over the heart and utter things inconsiderately. (The woman the tongueis not to usurp authority over the heart).

(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

We sin with the tongue by speaking wrathful and doubting words against what we will hear. The woman is in the transgression. Dont let wrath escape from the heart and out of the mouth.

(14) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Those who will continue in their faith and love for what they hear..in holiness with sobriety..they shall also be able to preach the Word of Truth to others.. that is, in childbearing.

(15) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

We are then to be fruitful with His Word and multiply.

Genesis 1:27-31 KJV
(27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

He gives us every herb bearing Seed which is upon the face of all of the earth.that is, our hearts. He gives us love, joy and peace in our hearts as we share His Word (the Seed) with others. Every tree to you shall be for meat.our tongues shall yield Seedthe Word of God and we shall eat of its good fruit.

Galatians 5:22-26 KJV
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
(25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

But some will believe in a lie in this last day.

Revelation 22:14-15 KJV
(14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(15) For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The lie: ye shall not surely diethat is, you shall not die for speaking evil of another after you have received the knowledge of the Truth.the good. Will one really add evil to the knowledge of the good by speaking evil of the Way of Truth?

Genesis 3:4-6 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Those who will speak evil after the receiving of the Truth will be deceived. They will see themselves as judges (ye shall be as gods) who know better than those who will be preaching the knowledge of the good.

(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Professing themselves as wise , they will become fools. The tongue will give the heart fruit to eat.

(6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

They will hold down the Truth in unrighteousness.as they will speak evil of it.

Romans 1:18-22 KJV
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Gods knowledge shall be revealed to them and in them.the knowledge of the good.

(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The knowledge of the Truth behind the parables (the invisible things shall be clearly seen by the things that are made) so that they will be without excuse for their evil response.

(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Theyin their pride. will not approve of what they will hear. They will not retain the knowledge of God. They will not be thankful. Desiring to be wiseto be godsto be judgesthey will speak out in evil against what they will hear because they know better. They will add evil to the knowledge of the good. They will eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and their foolish hearts shall be darkened.

(21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Believing you shall not die by speaking evil after one has received the knowledge of the Truth is believing and practicing a lie. It will darken ones heart.as the love shall wax cold within. This is perishing..the second death. One will start to perish inside for then there will no longer be any more sacrifice for willful sins.speaking evil after one has received the knowledge of the Truth.

Matthew 24:12 KJV
(12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

We are to separate from their company when we will not perceive the lips of knowledge of those who will speak evil of the Way of Truth.

Proverbs 14:7 KJV
(7) Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

Every idle word spoken shall bring sorrow in the day of judgment. In sorrow they shall bring forth children..words.

Genesis 3:16-19 KJV
(16) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

The heart shall suffer because of the voice of the wifethe tongue. It will bring the heart sorrowgriefwrath.

(17) And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, andhast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
(18) Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

This will continue as one continues to eat of that tree that he is commanded not to do until he returns unto the ground.to be humbled.

(19) In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

He will call us in this last day. Every person shall hear His voice. Some will come forth and do good.believing and doing what they hear. Others shall come forth only to speak evil in their pride. They will not hear.that is, believe in what they will hear. They will not do what they hear. Instead, they will choose that which He does not delight in. They will speak evil of the Word and of their brothers. They will eat of the tree of the knowledge of the good and evil.

Isaiah 65:12-16 KJV
(12) Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
(13) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

They will cry for sorrow of heart and shall howl for vexation of spirit.for all of their evil speaking. They will eat of the fruit of their doings as He will render every hidden man of the heart for his doings.speaking.

(14) Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

Every knee show bow and every tongue shall swear. We are to look unto Him and be saved.all the ends of the earth.that is, with ALL of the heart. The wicked shall return unto the ground as they will be humbled and ashamed for their evil behavior. They will acknowledge God and that His Word is Truth.

Isaiah 45:22-25 KJV
(22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
(23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

ALL MEN..all of the hidden men of the hearts. shall come to Him. Those who will have spoke evil against His Word shall be ashamed.

(24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
(25) In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

The pride of evil men shall be humbled.for the wicked shall return unto the dust. They will have missed out on such a great opportunity to preach His Word. And all for what? A few pieces of silver. What will a man exchange for his soul?

Isaiah 26:4-6 KJV
(4) Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:
(5) For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust.

Wheeler · Feb 28, 2012

In this coming time, those who will commit sin.speaking out evil against what they will hear (the Word of Truth)..will be of the devil.which means false accuser, slanderer. The devil will show himself immediately for they will be hasty in their speaking as they will be quick to wrathquick to speakingagainst things they dont understand. What is at the heart of this?: COVETOUSNESS.

1 John 3:8-15 KJV
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whoever is born of God will not commit sin.that is, to speak evil. His Seed (the Word) will remain in the good and honest heart. How can one speak out evil against something one will immediately receive with all eagerness of mind and believe in? They will keep what they will hear.

(9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

But not every one will keep what they will hear.

The children of the devil ..children of COVETOUSNESS. will not love what they hear and will not love their brothers who will speak the Word to them. They will reveal themselves with their mouths.their evil speaking..which will not reflect any love in their hearts.

(10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
(11) For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Why will they slay people with their mouths? Because their works are evil and are of that wicked one.Covetousness.

(12) Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Marvel not: the religious world shall hate us.because it will not agree with what is to be preached. The world will want to defend its own things..things motivated and done entirely because of the lusts of men.

(13) Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

What is death? Hatred. What is life? love.

(14) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer. No murderer has life.love.abiding in him.

(15) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

If a man say I love God and yet hates his brother, he is a liar. God IS love.

1 John 4:20-21 KJV
(20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

They will believe a lie.that they will not die by killing another with their evil speeches. They will believe that they will have peace and safety and that they are as gods.that is, judges.knowing good and evil. Their evil thinking is that they will be doing God service as justification for their evil actions. Their defense of religious mans current things will be seen as doing God service.

Genesis 3:4-5 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Speaking evil of our brothers is being a judge. Ye are as gods. judges ..elohim. Seeking to be wise in their own eyes, they will kill others who will receive the Truth in defense of their own covetous motivated doctrines and commandments. They will seek to save their current religious lives.

The law is for manslayers.for liars..for perjured persons..

1 Timothy 1:9-11 KJV
(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

To smite with an instrument of iron is using the tongue to judge to kill others. To speak evil of another is to judge. We are not safe to do these things after receiving the knowledge of the Truth. There will not be any more sacrifice for willful sins.speaking evil of another. The murderer shall surely be put to death.

The love within the heart shall wax cold as he does these things. The glory of God shall start to depart from the temple of the heart. God IS love. God will remove Himself from within the heart in degrees from a rebellious people.

Numbers 35:16-21 KJV
(16) And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

The wicked will smite the righteous by throwing a stone.wrathful wordsat them.

(17) And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

To smite with a weapon of wood is to be contentious.

(18) Or if he smite him with an hand weapon of wood,wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

The Revenger of blood is God Himself. In the Day of their visitation..He shall meet them.

(19) The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer.

(20) But if he thrust him of hatred, or hurl at him by laying of wait, that he die;
(21) Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he die: he that smote him shall surely be put to death; for he is a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer, when he meeteth him.

In this coming time, they shall kill us with their hateful speeches for His names sake.

Matthew 24:9-12 KJV
(9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
(10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Many false prophets shall rise and deceive many: by killing, you shall not die.you shall have peace and safety.for you shall be as judges for God (doing Him service) knowing better than those you kill.

(11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And so the lawlessness shall abound as they will not show any love for those who will receive the Truth. They will forsake the holy covenant ..to have love for one anotheras they will believe the words of false prophets. Their love shall wax cold within their hearts as they perish.the second death. It will be like the tide going out. .not suddenly.

(12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

The tide will start to go out as their love starts fading.the peace departs from their hearts.and all joy is removed.

In their houses shall be mourning..as He will take away His peace from this people. Kindness and mercies shall be taken away.

Jeremiah 16:5-13 KJV
(5) For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people, saith the LORD, even lovingkindness and mercies.

We are not to mourn for them and console them.but be separated from them. We are not to join them but come out from among them so as not to share in their sins and plagues.

(6) Both the great and the small shall die in this land: they shall not be buried, neither shall men lament for them, nor cut themselves, nor make themselves bald for them:
(7) Neither shall men tear themselves for them in mourning, to comfort them for the dead; neither shall men give them the cup of consolation to drink for their father or for their mother.
(8) Thou shalt not also go into the house of feasting, to sit with them to eat and to drink.

He will cause the joy to cease out of their hearts. The love shall wax cold.

(9) For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.
(10) And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the LORD pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the LORD our God?

Some will not hear the Truth in this last day.because of the covetousness in their hearts. They will continue walking after their love of money and will not do His commandments as they will speak evil of the Word and those who preach it to them.

(11) Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the LORD, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;
(12) And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:
(13) Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.

We are to remember now our Creator.in the days of our youth.while the Word is new and fresh.

For those who do NOT remember Him.the evil days will come. The years will draw near in which they will have no pleasure in them as they will not retain His knowledge. The tide will start to go out for those who do not hear and remember.

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 KJV
(1) Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

The love shall wax cold as their light shall die out within them.

(2) While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

All joy shall be removed from their hearts. Instead they shall tremble and fears shall come upon them.

(3) In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,
(4) And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;
(5) Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
(6) Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

They shall perish within.the second death. All these things shall continue until they are completely humbled.and then they will return to Him as every tongue shall confess.

(7) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The waves shall be lifted up against His Word. Men shall oppose what they will hear in this last day.

Psalms 107:25-31 KJV
(25) For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.

They will speak out in their wrath.as angry waves. Their angry, PROUD words shall mount up to the heaven. Yet, God will judge them for their pride and wrath..and they will go down again to the depths as their souls shall melt because of trouble He will bring upon them.

(26) They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble.
(27) They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits' end.

Only by crying out to Him in their trouble shall He bring them out of their distresses. They will be humbled.

(28) Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.
(29) He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still.
(30) Then are they glad because they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven.
(31) Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

x141 · Feb 28, 2012

Job did not sin with his lips, nevertheless he repented, and turned from what he had heard.

Wheeler · Mar 1, 2012

About Job whose means hated that is, persecuted.

Like Job, we also shall be persecuted by those of our very own who will not receive the love of the Truth in this last day. Job lost everything. We, who will believe in the Word of God in Truth, will forsake all of the religious things of man (his doctrines, commandments, traditions) and those who continue in them in order to follow Him. This will anger those we will leave behind and will produce all kinds of malicious talk about us.

Luke 9:23-25 KJV
(23) And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
(24) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
(25) For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Jesus sums up all of Job right here in Mark 10.

Mark 10:29-30 KJV
(29) And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

We shall be as Job who initially lost everything but later received a hundredfold. These things come after the persecutions by those who will not agree with us.

(30) But he shall receive an hundredfoldnow in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Let us look at Jobs possessions and do the count for a hundredfold. Job. before his trial ( persecution).. had 7000 sheep, 3000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, and 500 donkeys.

Job 1:2-3 KJV
(2) And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
(3) His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.

AFTER his persecution, God blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning. It was a hundredfoldor double the amount which he had in the beginning.

Instead of 7000 sheep, it was 14,000. There were 3000 camels at the beginning, but 6000 at the end. There were 500 yoke of oxen but now 1000. There were 500 she donkeys, but now 1000. That is, everything was increased a hundredfold.double the amountand this lines up with what Jesus said in Mark 10.

Job 42:12-13 KJV
(12) So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
(13) He had also seven sons and three daughters.

Job did not sinspeak evil. He did not charge God foolishly. We also should follow in Jobs footsteps and NOT charge God because of the persecutions that shall arise from our very own because we will believe in His revealed Word in this last day.

Job 1:20-22 KJV
(20) Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
(21) And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
(22) In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

Nor are we to grudge against those who will come forth.like Jobs friendsto persecute us with their words.

James 5:9-12 KJV
(9) Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
(10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

Remember Lot and his patience during his ordeal.and Gods tender mercy He had upon him in the end.

(11) Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Those who will receive the Word of God in the Truth (and not as religious men teach it) shall suffer persecution from their very own countryman....from those in their churches who will not believe.

1 Thessalonians 2:13-15 KJV
(13) For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Those who will persecute us will be our very own and they will not please God and will be contrary to all men.

(14) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
(15) Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

We who will receive the Word of God in Truth shall be seen as evil doers in their eyes. We shall be seen as wicked to them. We shall be falsely accused of speaking without knowledge and using words without wisdom. They will be just like Elihu here in their words toward us:

Job 34:35-37 KJV
(35) Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.
(36) My desire is that Job may be tried unto the end because of his answers for wicked men.

We shall be accused of adding rebellion to our sin and multiplying our words against God.

(37) For he addeth rebellion unto his sin,he clappeth his hands among us, and multiplieth his words against God.

What we shall speak.the Word of God in Truth.will be seen as vain and without knowledge.

Job 35:16 KJV
(16) Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vain; he multiplieth words without knowledge.

They shall kill us with their words and will think that they are doing God service for doing so. Their reasoning: I have yet to speak on Gods behalf.

Job 36:1-4 KJV
(1) Elihu also proceeded, and said,
(2) Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.
(3) I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.

They will think that their words are not false, but perfect in knowledge.

(4) For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.

Again, our words shall seem like vain knowledge..unprofitable talkto them.

Job 15:1-9 KJV
(1) Then answered Eliphaz the Temanite, and said,
(2) Should a wise man utter vain knowledge,and fill his belly with the east wind?
(3) Should he reason with unprofitable talk? or with speeches wherewith he can do no good?
(4) Yea, thou castest off fear, and restrainest prayer before God.

The accusations: your mouth utters your iniquity.and that you speak with a clever tongue.

(5) For thy mouth uttereth thine iniquity, and thou choosest the tongue of the crafty.
(6) Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee.
(7) Art thou the first man that was born? or wast thou made before the hills?
(8) Hast thou heard the secret of God? and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

The envy : What do you know that we dont? What special understanding do you have that we do not have?

(9) What knowest thou, that we know not? what understandest thou, which is not in us?

Job answers: How long will you vex my soul and break me in pieces with words? This is exactly what is going to happen in this last day to those who will receive the Word of God in Truth. The wisdom of man will exalt himself against any that do receive it. They will make themselves strange to us as they will not show any love and will not be ashamed of their evil behavior. These TEN times you have reproached me.

Job 19:1-3 KJV
(1) Then Job answered and said,
(2) How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
(3) These ten times have ye reproached me: ye are not ashamed that ye make yourselves strange to me.

Ten times.Ten days.

Those who will be of the synagogue of Satan.who will assemble together because of the covetousness in their hearts..shall speak evil of those who will receive the Word of God in Truth. Just as they tried Lot with their evil words, we shall also be tried. We are to be faithful unto death.their evil accusations.not rendering evil for their evil. The second death is their perishing within because they will do such things.speaking evil of us.

Revelation 2:9-11 KJV
(9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
(10) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
(11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Jobs friends were the messengers of Satan who came to test Lot with their evil accusations. But Lot did not sin. He did not curse God nor did he render evil for their evil. He was not hurt of the second death.

Job 2:4-6 KJV
(4) And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

Our very own shall countrymen shall test us. The enemies will be of our own house of worship.

(5) But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

But no harm shall come to those who will pass the test. The second death shall have no power over them.

(6) And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.

Those who will persecute us should be afraid of the wrath of God to come as Job here indicates and cease from their persecutions....evil accusations.

Job 19:28-29 KJV
(28) But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me?
(29) Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgment.

We are not to think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is coming to test those who will receive the love the revealed Truth in this last day. They will approach us just like Lots friends did..in order to test our faith in Him.

1 Peter 4:12-14 KJV
(12) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

We shall be partakers of Christs sufferings for doing so..being reproached for the name of Christ.

(13) But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
(14) If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

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Wheeler · Mar 1, 2012

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Job humbled himself at the Truth of God. He considered his own knowledge foolish. He lost his life to save it. But his friends had no such confession. They were smugly confident in their own wisdom and did not speak what was right. They also accused Job of being wicked and not speaking with knowledge. But we, in this last day, are to follow what Job did and admit that we are without any true knowledge. We have been following the wisdom of man and are to acknowledge the Truth of God in this last time as being superior. His thoughts and ways are higher than our own.

Job 42:1-7 KJV
(1) Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
(2) I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
(3) Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
(4) Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
(5) I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
(6) Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
(7) And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

We are to repent of our own ways and thoughts. Let God be TRUE and every man a liar. EVERY man is to confess that he has spoken things that the does not understand.so that he might be justified in their sayings...just as Job was in the end.

Romans 3:3-4 KJV
(3) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
(4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

x141 · Mar 1, 2012

But thou hast fulfilled the judgment of the wicked: judgment and justice take hold on thee.

Elihu is the Son whose wrath is kindled against Job and his friends. If, as Paul exhorted, it is robbery to not have a mind that is equal with God where does this leave your heart, if you believe that your heart is wicked and fed of your mind. The tesitmony of the Harlot, that great city is "I am no widow, my husband, adam is not dead. Job deos not recieve a new wife, he receive's new children, new thoughts. They become One. His three daughter's revcieve an inheritance amongst the son his seven sons. The law of Life. Your mind is fed from without, this mind is a harlot, many husbands, five teachers. Jesus does not accuse the woman. To sin is to have multiple husbands. He told her sin no more. She can do nothing of herself, to sin no more is to have one husband. If your focus or eye is not single, but dual, good and evil then you are filled with darkness that you percieve to be Light. It becomes dove's dung and it is sold like merchadise, like manna left over a day, full of the cherub that covers. Full of worms. We can not measure it. Darkness can not measure darkness.

Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Gen 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

Hagar saw the well in the wilderness as the children of Israel saw the Rock, which caused her Son to live but she still took for him a daughter of Egypt, a mind of the captivity of flesh.

This is not about those who hear and don't hear, or jew and gentile, both came from the same Father. An Isaac and an Ishmael, just different mother's but not different mothers.

Job 36:15 He delivereth the poor in his affliction, and openeth their ears in oppression.

1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Job 36:16 Even so would he have removed thee out of the strait into a broad place, where there is no straitness; and that which should be set on thy table should be full of fatness.

Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

There's much more to Jobs friends than meets the eye, the beginning of them and the end of them ...

the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

Amazing Grace, How Sweet You Are Lord Jesus!

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