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Is belief enough to be saved?
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Habakk
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Nobody is disputing that we are under Grace but we are also under covenant, some people forget that.
Actually we have no rights because it was Jesus Christ that obtained our covenant for us and so has the right to be our advocate, saviour and judge. We are under law because those laws are now written in our hearts. If we stumble we have an advocate, so how could we stumble and sin if we dont have law? We are free from the curse of the Mosaic law as long as we abide in Christ our saviour.
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Galatians is the best!
no no..Pal used Abe, and faith to ward off law, saying blessed in abe, cursed under law, please reconsider.
gal 3;9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.
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NEW TESTAMENT - The New Covenant
For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." By calling this covenant "new, " he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. Hebrews 8 12-13
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritancenow that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Hebrews 9:15
(Jesus, the one who made the will died on the cross)
because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. Hebrews 9:17
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:26-29.
OLD TESTAMENT - The New Covenant - The Promise
Jeremiah 31
31 "The time is coming, " declares the LORD, "when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, " declares the LORD.
33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, " declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD, 'because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, " declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
35 This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar the LORD Almighty is his name:
36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight, "declares the LORD," will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me."
37 This is what the LORD says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done," declares the LORD.
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Lion King
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uh uh. our contention is faith alone, so i asked u for 1 verse, showing how the cross, had anything to do with keeping commands.
u know what i mean...
did the cross make us holy, heb 10;10, or commands. faith alone, the cross, or commands?
please advise.
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more. Jeremiah 31:31-34
Is the cross not the New Covenant that the LORD is talking about in the above passage?
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Habakk
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So there is no hope for believers who stumble then? The scripture doesn’t say leave it alone it tells us to confess our sins because we have an advocate with the Father.
The real problem is the way justification doctrine is taught, it doesn’t matter what state of law we are in, in fact denies the law completely and so results in Christians that are justified whatever state of unrighteousness they are in. They have liberty to do all sorts of things and some take liberty for licence. Our saviour commanded us to keep his law/commandments. We are under covenant agreement and we now have an advocate.
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O Lord, you alone are holy. (Revelation 15:4)
the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. (Hebrews 2:11)
we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Hebrews 10:9-10)
by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. (Hebrews 10:9-14)
Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. (Hebrews 13:11-12)
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, that is, our holiness (1 Corinthians 1:30)
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Habakk
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Yes I did, why did Christ fulfil all the law? The law was fulfilled not to make Christ holy but to make us holy. He is the great high priest and no doctrine of justification can save you, the doctrine only has power because we have an advocate under covenant. ALL OUR justification is with Christ and between Christ and the Father in holy and eternal covenant. Forgiveness is in him and justification is in him. He has the right to present us or deny us to the Father. Those commandments are now not under Mosaic Law they are in Christ. The curse of the Mosaic Law has lost its sting only because we have an advocate and continue to abide in him by faith.
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The LORD said to Moses, “Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: ‘Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy." Leviticus 19:1-2
I will ask again, how do you become holy?
PS. please do not quote random verses.
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I have no clue what you guys are talking about, but I saw this question and it reminded me of these verses:
Hebrews 9:16-22
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” 21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” 21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
Hebrews 9:23-28
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Matthew 26:26-28
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Galatians 3:13-14
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Deuteronomy 21:23
His body shall not remain overnight on the three, but you shall surely bury him that day so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, for he who is hanged is accursed of God.
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Jesus died over 2000 years ago, for the sins of the Whole World thats past, present and future sins of the whole world. He died for the sins of people that will never accept His gift of salvation. You cant get anymore forgiven than you are right now in Christ we dont confess our sins to keep saved we confess them because we love our Father plus if you are a true child of God He will discipline you if you dont repent
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20
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I guess you are making a claim that you are holy... how did you get holy?
O Lord, you alone are holy. (Revelation 15:4)
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I'm not quite sure what you guys are talking about either...but
1 Peter 1:13-16
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
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