Matthew 1:1

he-man · Feb 13, 2012

Timothew said:
ενθυμησεις and ενθυμεισθε were difficult to conveigh.

Yes that word slips away but adds to the meaning.

[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G1760 ενθύμεσμαι memory, saved mental impression; memento, keepsake, souvenir Origin: from Fr., from souvenir remember, from L. subvenire occur to the mind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G1761 ενθυμησις keepsake, remembrance, memento, reminder, souvenir recollection[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G2444 ινατι obstinacy, pigheadedness[/FONT][/FONT]

Timothew · Feb 13, 2012

he-man said:
Yes that word slips away but adds to the meaning.

[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G1760 ενθύμεσμαι memory, saved mental impression; memento, keepsake, souvenir Origin: from Fr., from souvenir ‘remember’, from L. subvenire ‘occur to the mind’.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G1761 ενθυμησις keepsake, remembrance, memento, reminder, souvenir recollection[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G2444 ινατι obstinacy, pigheadedness[/FONT][/FONT]

I was trying to get the θυμός into the translation. Inner thumos, Enthusiam, passion, that sort of thing.

I don't think the verse necessarily says that Jesus was reading their thoughts.

Timothew · Feb 14, 2012

Matthew 9:5

τι γαρ εστιν ευκοπωτερον ειπειν αφεωνται σου αι αμαρτιαι η ειπειν εγειραι και περιπατει

What for is easier to-say forgiven you the sins or to-say arise and walk-around

For which is easier to say, "your sins are forgiven" or to say "get up and get going"?

Timothew · Feb 15, 2012

Matthew 9:6

ινα δε ειδητε οτι εξουσιαν εχει ο υιος του ανθρωπου επι της γης αφιεναι αμαρτιας τοτε λεγει τω παραλυτικω εγερθεις αρον σου την κλινην και υπαγε εις τον οικον σου

That but all-of-you-will-see that authority has the son the man upon the earth remove sins then said the paralytic get-up take you the bed and go into the house you

But so that all of you will see that the son of man has authority on the earth to remove sins - then he said to the paralytic, "Get up! Take your bed and go home!"

he-man · Feb 15, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:5

τι γαρ εστιν ευκοπωτερον ειπειν αφεωνται σου αι αμαρτιαι η ειπειν εγειραι και περιπατει

What for is easier to-say forgiven you the sins or to-say arise and walk-around

For which is easier to say, "your sins are forgiven" or to say "get up and get going"?

Mat 9:5 For what is easier, to say, Your blessed sins are given up; or to say, upraise, and 'walk about'?
Mat 9:5 τι γαρ εστιν ευκοπωτερον ειπειν αφιενται σου αι αμαρτιαι η ειπειν εγειρε και περιπατει

he-man · Feb 15, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:6

ινα δε ειδητε οτι εξουσιαν εχει ο υιος του ανθρωπου επι της γης αφιεναι αμαρτιας τοτε λεγει τω παραλυτικω εγερθεις αρον σου την κλινην και υπαγε εις τον οικον σου

That but all-of-you-will-see that authority has the son the man upon the earth remove sins then said the paralytic get-up take you the bed and go into the house you

But so that all of you will see that the son of man has authority on the earth to remove sins - then he said to the paralytic, "Get up! Take your bed and go home!"

Mat 9:6 But that they may know that the Son of man has the authority upon the earth to give up sins, (then says to the paralytic,) Upraise, take up your bed, and go into your house.

Mat 9:6 ινα δε ειδητε οτι εξουσιαν εχει ο υιος του ανθρωπου επι της γης αφιεναι αμαρτιας τοτε λεγει τω παραλυτικω εγερθεις αρον σου την κλινην και υπαγε εις τον οικον σου

Timothew · Feb 16, 2012

he-man said:
Mat 9:6 But that they may know that the Son of man has the authority upon the earth to give up sins, (then says to the paralytic,) Upraise, take up your bed, and go into your house.

Mat 9:6 ινα δε ειδητε οτι εξουσιαν εχει ο υιος του ανθρωπου επι της γης αφιεναι αμαρτιας τοτε λεγει τω παραλυτικω εγερθεις αρον σου την κλινην και υπαγε εις τον οικον σου

Matthew 9:7
και εγερθεις απηλθεν εις τον οικον αυτου

and arose went into the house his

The man got up and went home.

he-man · Feb 16, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:7
και εγερθεις απηλθεν εις τον οικον αυτου

and arose went into the house his

The man got up and went home.

Mat 9:7 And raising up, went to his house.

Timothew · Feb 17, 2012

Matthew 9:8

ιδοντες δε οι οχλοι εθαυμασαν και εδοξασαν τον θεον τον δοντα εξουσιαν τοιαυτην τοις ανθρωποις

Seeing (de) the crowd was-amazed and glorified the God the gives authority such-as-this to humans

and seeing this the crowd was amazed and glorified God for giving such authority to humans.

he-man · Feb 17, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:8

ιδοντες δε οι οχλοι εθαυμασαν και εδοξασαν τον θεον τον δοντα εξουσιαν τοιαυτην τοις ανθρωποις

Seeing (de) the crowd was-amazed and glorified the God the gives authority such-as-this to humans

and seeing this the crowd was amazed and glorified God for giving such authority to humans.

Mat 9:8 ιδοντες δε οι οχλοι εφοβηθησαν και εδοξασαν τον θεον τον δοντα εξουσιαν τοιαυτην τοις ανθρωποις

Mat 9:8 But when the crowds knew, they were astounded, and they glorified God, which had granted such as this kind of authority to men.

Timothew · Feb 18, 2012

Matthew 9:9

και παραγων ο ιησους εκειθεν ειδεν ανθρωπον καθημενον επι το τελωνιον ματθαιον λεγομενον και λεγει αυτω ακολουθει μοι και αναστας ηκολουθησεν αυτω

and led-around the Jesus there saw man sitting on the toll-place matthaion called and said-to him follow me and arose followed him

Jesus was led around to a place where he saw a man named Matthaion sitting in a toll booth and said to him, "Follow me." The man got up and followed him.

he-man · Feb 18, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:9

και παραγων ο ιησους εκειθεν ειδεν ανθρωπον καθημενον επι το τελωνιον ματθαιον λεγομενον και λεγει αυτω ακολουθει μοι και αναστας ηκολουθησεν αυτω

and led-around the Jesus there saw man sitting on the toll-place matthaion called and said-to him follow me and arose followed him

Jesus was led around to a place where he saw a man named Matthaion sitting in a toll booth and said to him, "Follow me." The man got up and followed him.

Mat 9:9 And Jesus yielding from that place, saw a man, named Matthew, seated upon the receipt of custom: and he said to him, Follow me. And he standing up followed him.
Mat 9:9 και παραγων ο ιησους εκειθεν ειδεν ανθρωπον καθημενον επι το τελωνιον μαθθαιον λεγομενον και λεγει αυτω ακολουθει μοι και αναστας ηκολουθησεν αυτω

Timothew · Feb 19, 2012

Matthew 9:10

και εγενετο αυτου ανακειμενου εν τη οικια και ιδου πολλοι τελωναι και αμαρτωλοι ελθοντες συνανεκειντο τω ιησου και τοις μαθηταις αυτου

and it-became he reclining in the house and see many tollworkers and sinners came reclined-with the Jesus and the students his

It happened that while he was reclining in the house many tollworkers and sinners came and reclined with Jesus and his students.

he-man · Feb 19, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:10

και εγενετο αυτου ανακειμενου εν τη οικια και ιδου πολλοι τελωναι και αμαρτωλοι ελθοντες συνανεκειντο τω ιησου και τοις μαθηταις αυτου

and it-became he reclining in the house and see many tollworkers and sinners came reclined-with the Jesus and the students his

It happened that while he was reclining in the house many tollworkers and sinners came and reclined with Jesus and his students.

Mat 9:10 And it happened, as he reclined in the house, lo! many tax collectors and sinners came and reclined with Jesus and his pupils.

Matthew 's Explanation for guest chamber and not a manger.
Matthew 2:11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Timothew · Feb 19, 2012

lo! He-Man!

Kites ho!

Timothew · Feb 19, 2012

he-man said:
Mat 9:10 And it happened, as he reclined in the house, lo! many tax collectors and sinners came and reclined with Jesus and his pupils.

Matthew 's Explanation for guest chamber and not a manger.
Matthew 2:11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

i just thought the three (or however many) wisemen got there later. Not at the manger scene like at Xmas, but later on when Joe and Mary got home.

Timothew · Feb 20, 2012

Matthew 9:11

και ιδοντες οι φαρισαιοι ειπον τοις μαθηταις αυτου δια τι μετα των τελωνων και αμαρτωλων εσθιει ο διδασκαλος υμων

And seeing the pharisees told the disciples his through what with the tollists and sinners eats the teacher your

After seeing this the Pharisees asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tollists and sinners?"

he-man · Feb 20, 2012

Timothew said:
Matthew 9:11

και ιδοντες οι φαρισαιοι ειπον τοις μαθηταις αυτου δια τι μετα των τελωνων και αμαρτωλων εσθιει ο διδασκαλος υμων

And seeing the pharisees told the disciples his through what with the tollists and sinners eats the teacher your

After seeing this the Pharisees asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tollists and sinners?"

Mat 9:11 And the Pharisees saw it, and they said to his learners, By what means does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?

Mat 9:11 και ιδοντες οι φαρισαιοι ελεγον τοις μαθηταις αυτου δια μετα των τελωνων και αμαρτωλων εσθιει ο διδασκαλος υμων

Timothew · Feb 20, 2012

I'm at work, away from my regular computer.
UBS4 says dia meta not dia ti meta like the Byzantine?

What about "with" for meta?

he-man · Feb 20, 2012

Timothew said:
I'm at work, away from my regular computer.
UBS4 says dia meta not dia ti meta like the Byzantine?

What about "with" for meta?

My bad, it says δια τι μετα but not διατί

[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G1223 διά by means of, by, for, through, with [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G5101 τις τι what, to what extent [/FONT][/FONT]

Mt 9:11 And the Pharisees saw it, and they said to his learners, By δια what τι means does your Teacher eat with μετα tax collectors and sinners?

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