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This definitely isn't mainstream thinking. I read through this and what seems to stand out the most isn't Christ but the intellectual individual....which is just plain old "self"

Too much "inner this" and "inner that" for me.

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The kingdom, itself is inner....




Luke 17:20-21: Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is' because the kingdom of God is within you

1) Lucifer = ............... Id

2) Satan =........ ...........Libido

3) Mammon = ............ Ego

4) Devil = .................. Anima

5) Beelzebub = .......... Self

6) False Prophet =.......Superego

7) False Shepherd = ... Harmony


8) The Good Shepherd = ...Conscience
 
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Yes! The kingdom of God is within us…within our very own hearts….where He should rule completely. Seek first the kingdom of God within so that we may be able to speak His Word of Truth to the outside.

Our “inner man” is Christ…. “Christ within us.” We reveal the inner man “Christ within us” who is the Word of God to others through the mouth.

Our tongues are the “bride” of Christ which is to become ONE with the inner man….Christ. It is a “marriage”. The tongue will be in complete subjection to Christ Jesus and will speak him.

We will preach the Word of God in Truth…in sincerity…and not in contention and covetousness. The “bride” readies herself by putting away all evil communication out of the mouth.

If we are risen with Christ, we are to seek those things which are “above” which are the things that we hear with our ears. The Word of God travels through the air…the “heaven”….and we are to receive it in belief. We are to thirst for it….hunger for it.

The Word of Truth is truly a “higher education”…..higher than our own thoughts of the heart. It gets sown in our hearts by the hearing of it….and we are to receive it with belief and meekness and are to do it.

Colossians 3:1-10 KJV
(1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

We are to set our affection on things “above” which we hear with our ears and not on the things on the “earth”. The “earth” is our own hearts. Our own thoughts and ways are lower than what we hear with the ears above….the “higher education” of the Word.

(2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
(3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Christ….the “new man” within us….is to be revealed through us. When he shall “appear” through our preaching of him, we shall also appear with him in glory. The Son of Man is revealed to others by our outward witness of Him who is within our hearts.

(4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

But first we are to deaden our “members”….our tongues…which speak those evil things that are hidden in the “earth” of our hearts…..

(5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
(6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
(7) In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

The “bride”…the tongue/mouth…. is to ready herself for her husband so that she may speak the Word of God. The “marriage supper” is the “true sayings of God” that we will speak to others. We call out to others and invite them to this “supper”.

(8) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
(9) Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

The knowledge is the knowledge of God that we are to be renewed in….the “ higher education” of our lives.

(10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

But not everyone will believe in that higher education when it is heard. The “old man” of some will stay full entrenched in the heart.

Right now, that old “man” is hidden from view from many. The inner “man of sin” is hidden by his flattering tongue….his hypocrisy. The “inner man of sin” hides his uncleanness…covetousness….with his deceitful tongue that speaks men-pleasing words…. “flattering words”. Hypocrisy is used as a “cloke”…a covering…for the covetousness in the hearts of many.

1 Thessalonians 2:3-6 KJV
(3) For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
(4) But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
(5) For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
(6) Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.

The inner “man of sin” is hidden from the view of many because he appears beautiful outwardly with his righteous-sounding speech. Many are deceived by the outward fine-sounding, flattering words of many covetous “pastors” and leaders. The Pharisees and leaders also put on a show back in the day. Nothing is new under the sun.

Matthew 23:27-28 KJV
(27) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
(28) Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

When the Word of Truth ….the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ….is being revealed for all to hear in the last days, there will be a full-court press effort to keep many from receiving it. The “great swelling words of vanity” will become even greater and more desperate as many people will start to believe in what they will hear. The revealed Word shall be a threat to the leaders’ positions….to their riches…just like it was to the Pharisees. The "whole world" will go after Him.


2 Peter 2:18-20 KJV
(18) For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
(19) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
(20) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

The hypocrites will be gathered together in the last days against the revealed Word of Truth by the flattering tongues of many of the last day false teachers….with their false profits.

2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
(1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Many shall follow their ruinous ways and will speak evil of the Way of Truth.

(2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Through covetousness with “feigned words”…..their hypocrisy….shall they make merchandise of us.

(3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

But the “man of sin” shall be revealed for all to see….for nothing that is covered shall stay hidden. All that is in men’s hearts shall be revealed in the last day. The hypocrisy shall no longer hide the inner “man of sin” of the heart. The “man of sin” shall be revealed for all to see.

Luke 12:1-3 KJV
(1) In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
(2) For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
(3) Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

The “flattering tongue” shall be burned. It shall fall and disappear as “Babylon”…the flattering tongue…shall become a habitation of devils and and the hold of every foul breath (spirit) and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (foul, hateful, boastful words coming out of the mouth). No holds barred.

Revelation 18:2 KJV
(2) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

All the false niceties shall disappear as men shall reveal their true selves for all to see…..their folly shall be manifest unto all men. The hidden “man of sin” of the heart shall be revealed by his foul mouth as the hypocrisy of the flattering tongue will disappear completely. His mouth shall become a habitation for all unclean speech and hateful words. Nothing shall stay hidden.

2 Timothy 3:1-9 KJV
(1) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
(2) For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
(3) Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(4) Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
(5) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
(6) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
(7) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(8) Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
(9) But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men,as theirs also was.
 
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Yes!

The kingdom of God is within us…within our very own hearts….where He should rule completely.

Seek first the kingdom of God within so that we may be able to speak His Word of Truth to the outside.

Our “inner man” is Christ…. “Christ within us.”

We reveal the inner man “Christ within us” who is the Word of God to others through the mouth.
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Yew, you have the right idea expressed in medieval terminology which carries with it the inferences of the paradigm of that Age, now past and very confusing to the present world community.

I would encourage the addition of specific definitions for the things stated above, things which will make the intent and comprehension of the idea clearer for readers of this day.

For instance, "Christ is within us" means that we already know what is true, that we have evolved through millennia wherein our mind has learned and stored the experiences of our whole species.
That information and all memories related to those phylogenetic experiences is stored in our Unconscious mind.

Like instincts, man has collected the Truth about the consequences of his behavior, but it is not available to him consciously.
Man does not have access to this spirit within himself unless the spirit of Truth ordains to speak in a quiet voice to him.

Christ is not the word of truth, he IS the Truth.
The word that relates us to God is Truth.
Truth is the mediator between man and existence, itself, the whole concept of the external world within which man is trapped, and to "ehom" man must bow down.

God is the "I am" which exists outside of our being.
God, the father, is Reality.
The image of Reality is Truth.

1 Kings 17:24
And the woman said to Elijah, By this I know that you are a man of God and that the word of the Lord, in your mouth, is truth.

John 14:6 [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth, the way, and the life: [/FONT]
 
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Yes! Jesus IS the Truth. He IS the Word of God. I like to stay close to the Scriptures in speaking.

Many handle the Word of God deceitfully though….. “walking in craftiness”….hiding their dishonesty that is in their hearts with fine-sounding speech….empty philosophy.

We are called to hear and believe in the Truth in our hearts and confess our sins with our mouths….renouncing those hidden things.

2 Corinthians 4:2 KJV
(2) But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

“Babylon” is that flattering, deceitful tongue that hides the covetousness in the hearts of many who are in power. “She” is “dressed” in fine-sounding, logical words….supported with Scriptures that are wrested from their true meanings. But Babylon…like a city…. is to be destroyed in the end. All flattering lips will be cut off (the city) and the proud tongue (the tower) shall be cut off.

Psalms 12:1-4 KJV
(1) To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David. Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
(2) They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heartdo they speak.
(3) The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
(4) Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

The tongue (Babylon) is being used to reign over many and is united by deceitful words. She charms and deceives those who listen to her smoother-than-oil mouth. She takes the life away from those who are led astray by her.

Proverbs 5:3-5 KJV
(3) For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
(4) But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword.
(5) Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

She takes love, peace and joy away from those who embrace her words. The words sound precious and righteous on the exterior but she has led many into divisions, strife, envy and hatred of one another.

Revelation 17:4-5 KJV
(4) And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The “kings of the earth”….those who purposely harden their hearts because of covetousness….have committed “fornication” with her. Many leaders have gotten power and riches by using their tongues to speak deceitful words. That tongue…Babylon…has produced much wealth with her deceitful employment. They hide the evil that lurks in their hearts with their flattering tongues. The “man of sin” is hid from view.

They have led many astray into pursuing the things of this world. They have led many away from having love for one another….the doctrine of Christ. Many leaders are considered “great men of God”. They are “towers” over the people….occupying high esteem among men. They are proud of their accomplishments. All of these things have come about with the misuse of their tongues. There is the power of life and death in the tongue after all.

Revelation 18:3-5 KJV
(3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
(4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Babylon is a “city” of deceitful words built upon the hardness of men’s hearts who covet after the “gold, silver and apparel” of His people. This is all shown in the original building of Babel.

Genesis 11:1-9 KJV
(1) And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
(2) And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

Many are of “one language”…..that is, they all speak lies in their hypocrisy. All have gone out of the way. Their throat is like an open sepulcher. With their tongues they use deceit.

Come, “let us make brick and burn them thoroughly”. In other words, their consciences have been seared by a hot iron….being past feeling. They purposely harden their hearts in order to pursue their own covetousness …. the “slime had they for mortar”.

(3) And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

They PURPOSELY harden their hearts (they have “brick for stone”) for pursuit of their greed. They build the city Babylon….speaking lies in hypocrisy. The “slime” they have for mortar is their covetousness. These things go together in order to produce deceitful words…building a fenced city. It is “fenced” to keep their hearers citizens under their bad influence.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV
(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

They have “brick for stone”…..being past feeling….and have purposely given themselves over unto “lasciviousness”…..the “slime for mortar”. They have purposely hardened their hearts and their ever increasing greed in their hearts keeps them building the city. They continue to speak lies in hypocrisy walking in the emptiness of their minds….to get what they want.

Ephesians 4:17-19 KJV
(17) This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
(18) Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
(19) Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Many leaders hide their covetousness in their hardened hearts….that inner man of sin….by the “woman” Babylon…the flattering, deceptive tongue. She is a city that is being built….a city of flattering falsehoods.

They are in turn exalted above everyone. They are well respected and everyone looks up to them. They are a “tower”….a tower of recognition and pride. They have made names for themselves with their flattering tongues. With the flattering tongue, they have been exalted among religious men and have grown rich.

Genesis 11: (4) And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

The flattering tongue has deceived many. By their “scorceries” were all nations deceived…led astray. Many are deceived and ruled by Babylon…the flattering tongue of deceitful men.

Revelation 18:23 KJV
(23) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

To keep the gravy train rolling, they entice others to help build this “city” and perpetuate her existence.

Proverbs 1:10-19 KJV
(10) My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.
(11) If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:
(12) Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:

They do these things to find all “precious substance”….to fill their houses with “spoil”. They are greedy for gain and the only way to get these things is to put on a show….a slick, smooth, flattering tongue speaking deceitful words in order to deceive people . Who would give their money to someone who is openly greedy?

They commit fornication with Babylon….the deceptive tongue. They quote the Scriptures and sound the part….but their hearts are far from having love for those they inflict. They honor God with their lips but their hearts (where they are only after their own covetousness) are far from Him.

(13) We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:
(14) Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:
(15) My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:
(16) For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.
(17) Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.
(18) And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.
(19) So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.

The hidden “man” of the heart is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust (being greedy for gain) and enticed by others who are building that opulent city Babylon. He covets what they got…bigger church buildings, bigger congregations , greater glory among men, great riches, great ministries, etc. The deceitfulness of sin hardens the heart and he becomes a purpose driven slave to his covetousness. He builds things upon a stone-hard heart using the mortar of covetousness. He keeps the purpose of his heart hidden from others with his deceitful tongue.

James 1:14 KJV
(14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

They are of “one language”….they steal His words from each other. They read each other’s’ books…they hear each other’s’ sermons….they take the same wrested words and lead others astray with them. They just repeat each other’s’ uninspired teachings in order to gain the things of this world. Same language….same results: riches. They are of one speech….speaking lies in hypocrisy. There is NO PROFIT to the people who listen to them.

Jeremiah 23:30-32 KJV
(30) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

They use their tongues to say “He says”….when He did not say it. They wrest His Word….handling it deceitfully. They merchandise the Word for dishonest gain. They are sensual…without the Spirit…not having the Breath of God while they speak the Word. Their words are without divine inspiration. They speak with the breath (spirit) of error.

(31) Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
(32) Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

These are the “certain men” who have crept in unawares. They are ungodly men posing as godly men in speech. They are sensual….speaking the Word without the inspiration of the Spirit. They turn the grace of our God into “lasciviousness” and are denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Many have been led astray by them…and we must contend for the faith.

Jude 1:3-4 KJV
(3) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
(4) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Wheeler said:
Yes! The kingdom of God is within us…within our very own hearts….where He should rule completely. Seek first the kingdom of God within so that we may be able to speak His Word of Truth to the outside. (4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
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Do you really think that when Christ returns the second time he is going to deliver up your heart rather than a real Kingdom here on earth?
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

You better watchout, you better not cry, CAUSE Jesus Christ is coming to town!

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
 
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The kingdom, itself is inner....




Luke 17:20-21: Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is' because the kingdom of God is within you

1) Lucifer = ............... Id

2) Satan =........ ...........Libido

3) Mammon = ............ Ego

4) Devil = .................. Anima

5) Beelzebub = .......... Self

6) False Prophet =.......Superego

7) False Shepherd = ... Harmony


8) The Good Shepherd = ...Conscience
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You left out "Blind Shepard" and "Viper" which were also names Jesus used in refering to religious teachers who taught doctrines of man instead of scriptures.Sort of like what you do all the time as your above example points out quite clearly.
 
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The kingdom….the REIGN…of God comes within us. It is our hearts that He is to rule over. But first we have to hear the revealed Word of God….Christ Jesus. He is the revealed Word that is planted into our hearts.

It is “cast into His garden”….our hearts. Those who hear have been implanted with that Word…it just needs to be “watered” by our FAITH. And so it grows in the heart and becomes a great tree….a place where God rules over every thought that has exalted itself against the knowledge of God. The “fowls of heaven” are His words that come and lodge in the “branches” of our tongues. We are then prepared to speak His Word in Truth to others…..casting the seed into others as His messengers.

Luke 13:18-19 KJV
(18) Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?
(19) It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

Again, the “earth” is the heart where the “grain of mustard seed” gets sown. The coming of the kingdom of God is within our hearts.

At first it is less than all seeds that are in the heart. Our hearts are filled with our own thoughts of how these things should be. But the Truth comes and casts down every imagination and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and brings every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Mark 4:30-33 KJV
(30) And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
(31) It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:

When the Word is sown in our hearts, it grows up and becomes greater than all of our own thoughts. It rules. Then we are able to preach the Word of Truth to others….shooting out great branches (the tongue. The “fowls of heaven” are the words of Truth.

(32) But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.
(33) And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

He ….the Word…..must rule until all of the enemies of the mind are put down. He must deliver up our hearts unto God by casting down every imagination and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. The grain of mustard seed becomes greater than all herbs.

2 Corinthians 10:4-7 KJV
(4) (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
(5) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
(6) And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
But do we look for things on the outside?

(7) Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

An evil generation stubbornly persists to look for outward things. They seek an external sign of His presence. No sign will be given them except the preaching of the Word….the preaching of the Spirit….the preaching of Jonah.

Luke 11:28-32 KJV
(28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
(29) And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
(30) For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
(31) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
(32) The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The scoffers shall come in the last days and will be saying “where is the promise of His coming”….where is the announcement of His presence? They will be looking for an external sign. They will not see anything…. for all things shall appear as they always have in their eyes.

2 Peter 3:3-6 KJV
(3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

But it is the preaching of the WORD OF GOD by the Spirit that we are to be looking for…..the ONLY sign that will be shown the scoffers. They will be willingly ignorant of this.

(5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
(6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

A man can receive nothing except it be given him from “heaven”…the “air”…where His Word comes to our ears.

John 3:27-33 KJV
(27) John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
(28) Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

It is the coming of the Word spoken by the tongue (bride) of those who are completely ruled by God within their hearts. Jesus Christ is their hidden man of the heart….Christ within us. And those who hear their preaching and will believe shall rejoice. They are the “friends” of the Bridegroom…because they will hear His voice.

(29) He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

And those who hear the Word…..He must increase within us as the grain of mustard seed as we decrease in our thoughts and ways. The Word shall become greater than all of the herbs in the "garden"...the heart.


(30) He must increase, but I must decrease.
(31) He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
(32) And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
(33) He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
 
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“Heaven” is the “air”…the atmosphere…where the words we speak fly through. Words are as birds that fly through the air…..the medium where flight is possible.

For example: A causeless curse shall not come to rest on someone….as the bird that wanders in flight without landing on its target.

Proverbs 26:2 KJV
(2) As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying,so the curse causeless shall not come.

Curse not the king in thought and curse not the rich in the “bedchamber”…which is the mouth. For the words that will come out shall be carried like a bird of the air to the ears of our heavenly King. Our words take “wing” and flies away and we can not retrieve them. That is why we are to guard our mouths and be slow to speak and guard our hearts…be slow to wrath…when we hear the Word.

Ecclesiastes 10:20 KJV
(20) Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

When the flattering tongue eventually falls (that is, Babylon), then what is left is nothing but mean, hateful words. The mouth becomes a “cage of every unclean and hateful bird”….hateful and unclean words that are uttered from an evil heart.

Revelation 18:2 KJV
(2) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

We are to beware of the words of the false prophets in this last day. Where ever the carcass is, there will the “eagles” be gathered together. These are the WORDS of the false prophets gathered together…for they shall try to persuade us from hearing and receiving the Word of Truth in this last day. Their words shall be as birds of prey seeking to devour us. They shall “say unto you”…..

Matthew 24:25-28 KJV
(25) Behold, I have told you before.
(26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you,Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
(27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Their “feigned words” will be like eagles picking off the prey….the weak and the simple. The dead bury the dead.

2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
(1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

There the eagles shall be gathered together. Their “good words and fair speeches” will deceive the hearts of the simple. Those who will cause divisions and offences in opposition to the doctrine….the Word of Truth….shall not want others to hear and believe in it in this last day. And so they will work overtime with their great swelling speeches to keep people from the Truth and under their influence.

Romans 16:17-20 KJV
(17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
(18) For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
(19) For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
(20) And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Those who will not believe in the Word in their hearts in this last day shall have the “fowls of the air” come and devour what they have heard…what was sown in their hearts.

Mark 4:3-4 KJV
(3) Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
(4) And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

Again, the “fowls of the air” are the feigned words of false teachers coming to remove what was heard from the hearts of the simple who will hear the Word but will not believe in it.

Mark 4:14-15 KJV
(14) The sower soweth the word.
(15) And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

For them, it will be sown in the “way side”…or road…where they will trodden the Word down with their feet and listen instead to the feigned words of their false teachers.

Luke 8:5 KJV
(5) A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

It is sown by the “way side”…the road. They will trodden under foot the Son of God in the “way side”. They will not hear and believe in the Word of Truth in this last day and will instead trample it with their evil words of disagreement and opposition. The “goat” shall trample upon the Truth.

Hebrews 10:29 KJV
(29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Daniel 8 is showing us Hebrews 10:29. The “goats” will trodden under foot the Son of God. They will in their pride fiercely oppose and speak evil of the Truth. They will trample what they will not understand.

The “goat” shall be moved with bitterness against the Truth and those who preach it. Those who will preach His Word will not render evil for evil. Judgment belongs to God who will judge the disobedient.

The “goat” shall count the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified as an unholy thing. He shall magnify himself against the Truth. He will do things despite the Spirit of grace. He shall bash and trample upon the Truth and those who have humbly presented it to him and who did not render evil for their evil.

He is not out there in the “desert” where they will say He is. He is not out there in their established denominations….nor in their grand church buildings…..nor in their magical wealth-building wonders and signs of the high and mighty religious men….nor in their purpose driven antics.

No…..The evidence of Him is our very own hearts. We don’t have to go out there to see Him for He comes within.

For as the “lightning” comes out of the east and shines unto the west, so shall the presence of the Son of man be. His voice comes from “heaven”….the Word spoken in our ears. When we hear His Word being spoken, the evidence that it is Truth is within our very own hearts where the “daystar” shall shine. The sun shines from east to west every morning.

The evidence is within our own hearts….not out there somewhere as they would try to lead us to believe. The kingdom of God is within and does not come by observation. The “day star” shines from east to the west in our own hearts.

2 Peter 1:18-21 KJV
(18) And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
(19) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
(20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The evidence that a holy man of God is true when he speaks ( being moved by the Holy Spirit…the Breath of God…to do so) is in our very own hearts. We are to “take heed”…pay attention….until the “day star” arises in our hearts.

(21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

There shall be wonders in the “heaven” above and signs in the “earth” below.

Acts 2:18-19 KJV
(18) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
(19) And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

God will show wonders in heaven above…that is, we shall hear the wonderful works of God being spoken in our ears. Many shall be astonished at the teaching of Christ…just as they were 2000 years ago.

Acts 2:11 KJV
(11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

There shall be signs in the “earth “ beneath….our hearts. There will be “fire”. Our hearts shall burn as the wonderful works of God are spoken into our ears at the opening up of the Scriptures to our understanding.

Luke 24:32 KJV
(32) And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

There shall be “blood” as many will be pricked in their hearts and will repent…change their minds.

Acts 2:37-38 KJV
(37) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
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Men are as trees. A healing tongue is a Tree of life to its hearers.

Proverbs 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.

The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the mouth that blesses God but curses other men who are made after the image of God.

James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Those who have knowledge of the good are to not partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil – the blessing of God and the cursing of men out of the same mouth.

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Either make the “tree” good and his fruit good (speech) or else make the “tree” rotten and the speech thereof rotten for one can not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and expect to “live” – to continue blessing God and cursing men with the same mouth.

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

“Vipers” of snakes have forked tongues….not a coincidence. The Pharisess honored God with their lips yet their hearts were far from Him. They spoke evil against Jesus…against the Word of Truth.

(34) O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
(35) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Use the mouth as a Tree of life – a healing tongue and not let rotten communication proceed out of our mouths as the Pharisees did. Those who have this knowledge are to put away from the mouth all of the bitterness, wrath, anger, and evil speaking. One can not partake of that fruit and expect to “live”.

Ephesians 4:
(29) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
(30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(31) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
(32) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

For the tree and its fruit shall be made utterly rotten as a result of partaking of this kind of “fruit”:

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

How do we know the judgment of God for those who do these things? From the very beginning was this made known to Adam and Eve.

(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

The judgment for eating of the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” is “death” – being given over to a reprobate mind and a corresponding mouth that is to filled full of unrighteousness. The “tree” and its “fruit” will be made “corrupt” as a judgment so that the knowledge of the good will be removed out of one’s heart.

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Of every” tree of the garden” we may freely eat. A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his own mouth. With the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

Proverbs 18:20-21 KJV
(20) A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

(21) Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

There is no law against the eating of the fruit of the trees of the garden…..the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, faith….

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

We cannot live with a double tongue….one which blesses God and curses men…and expect to live. One cannot sew “fig leaves together” and hide ourselves. The “fig leaves” are teachings. One cannot teach “peace and safety” while being double-tongued.

Genesis 3:7 KJV
(7) And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

For those who hide behind “peace and safety” while cursing men….shall know neither. Sudden destruction will come upon them as travail upon a woman with child.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV
(3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Genesis 3:16 KJV
(16) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

What is really being said here? The “children” are the birthed words that are conceived in the evil heart. Those who will bring to birth the evil things out of his own mouth shall have their sorrow greatly multiplied….for by our words shall we be condemned in the day of judgment.

Matthew 12:35-37 KJV
(35) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
(36) But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
(37) For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

The end result: our desire shall be for the Lord (the Husband) who can heal the sorrowful things that will come upon those who will live like this. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess. Some will have to be humbled the hard way.

Jeremiah 3:20-22 KJV
(20) Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.
(21) A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God.
(22) Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
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O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate ...

Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

This thread is an entering in, how quickly it has become made into an image like unto corruptible man.
 
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It seems that we trouble ourselves over symbols and so do not see the forest for all the trees. Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of good and evil - why do so many here start with the assumption that they acted out of knowledge necessary for a choice of free will?

The knowledge of good that Adam and Eve lacked is only learned by experiencing the love, compassion and mercy of G-d. Therefore, if G-d is good then Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of G-d and could not obtain that knowledge of good (G-d) without partaking of the fruit.

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Son of Zadok said:
It seems that we trouble ourselves over symbols and so do not see the forest for all the trees. Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of good and evil - why do so many here start with the assumption that they acted out of knowledge necessary for a choice of free will?

The knowledge of good that Adam and Eve lacked is only learned by experiencing the love, compassion and mercy of G-d. Therefore, if G-d is good then Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of G-d and could not obtain that knowledge of good (G-d) without partaking of the fruit.

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:confused:Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
 
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We are ALL like sheep having gone astray. We have turned EVERYONE to his own way. Yet Jehovah has laid upon the Lamb all of our iniquities. We have been in ignorance of many things.

Isaiah 53:6-7 KJV
(6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

His SILENCE is what keeps us. We have no sin because the Truth has been silent. Without the true understanding of spiritual things, we are without sin.

(7) He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth:he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Yet, in this last day, He comes to speak to us….His people…. just as He did 2000 years ago. The Word of Truth will be spoken and man will not have a cloak for their sin any longer.

John 15:20-23 KJV
(20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
(21) But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
(22) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:but now they have no cloke for their sin.

Some will hate the Word when they will hear it. They will have no faith and will not keep it. But our Father is patient with us not wanting anyone to perish but to come to the repentance and the acknowledgement of the Truth.

(23) He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

He comes to speak to us in this last day. ALL will receive the knowledge of the Truth. Everyone in their “graves” shall hear His voice. But then it will be a dangerous time for there will no longer remain any more sacrifice for willful sins…..speaking evil of the Way of Truth and of those who will preach it. We will no longer be in ignorance of the Truth and every idle word that will come out of our mouths in opposition and contradiction shall be held accountable in the day of judgment.

Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

We can not eat of that tree of the knowledge of good AND evil…..for after we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remains no more sacrifice for our willful sins. We can not bless God and curse men who preach the Truth (those who are made after the similitude of God) with the same mouth.

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
(16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This is not about literal trees. There is no law against “eating” of the fruit of the Spirit. We may eat of every tree of the garden FREELY…for there is no law against love, joy, peace…..

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

But to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil we shall not eat. This is the mouth that blesses God but also curses other men. Religious men “curse” each other over their theological differences. Many judge one another over men’s vain traditions and commandments.

But we are in ignorance…carnal children….living in darkness not knowing the Truth. Many currently live in envying, strife, and hatred of one another.

But, we are forgiven for we know not what we do.

Our Lord Jesus Christ is the sacrifice for these ignorant things. He hung on a “tree” for us. He tasted “death” for every man. He has been “silent” as these things have been going on.

The silence ends though and we are called to repent…to change our minds…in this last day. His VOICE comes walking in the “cool” of the Day just like it did back then. All will come forth either to receive and do the Truth or to oppose it and be judged accordingly.

John 5:28-30 KJV
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

As He hears, He judges. This is why man should be slow to speak about what he hears.

(30) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

If we hear His voice in this last day, we are not to harden our hearts in unbelief and depart from the living God. When we have received the knowledge of the Truth, then there is no more sacrifice for our willful sins….speaking evil against what we will hear. We are then just storing up wrath for ourselves to be revealed in the day of God’s wrath because of the stubborn and unrepentant heart.

Some will have their hearts…their “vessels”…full of “vinegar”…evil. They will speak evil of His Word with an evil tongue….the hyssop that was put to His mouth. The mouth will speak what is in the heart…..being full of vinegar.

John 19:29-30 KJV
(29) Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

And sin….evil speaking…when “it is finished”….brings forth “death”. There will no longer be any sacrifice for willful sins after we have put the evil “vinegar” of our tongue to His mouth.

(30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

When lust has conceived in the evil heart, it brings forth sin…evil speaking….and sin when “it is finished” brings forth “death”. The mouth will speak what is in the abundance of the heart. When “it is finished”….that is the sacrifice, then there is no longer any cover for our willful sins….the evil speaking.

James 1:15-21 KJV
(15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

This is why every man is to be SLOW TO SPEAK when he hears the Word in this last day.

(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Kiss the Son lest He be angry and we perish from the Way….

Psalms 2:10-12 KJV
(10) Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
(11) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
(12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

In this last day, some shall desire to be wise in their own eyes and speak out in evil against the Truth. They will set themselves up as “gods” over their own lips and hearts.

Genesis 3:5-6 KJV
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
(6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Psalms 12:4 KJV
(4) Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

They will not retain the knowledge of God but instead profess themselves to be wise in opposition to the Truth.

Romans 1:22-25 KJV
(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

The Spirit will not strive with unbelieving religious man for ever….for every imagination and thought of his heart will only be evil. Since they will not retain His knowledge, He shall give them up also. He will give up the Spirit so that they may be judged as men in the flesh.

(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts,to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

They will not have kept His knowledge but instead will exchange it for a lie and will worship and serve their own tongues more than the Creator.

(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Adam and Eve HEARD the VOICE of Jehovah God walking in the “garden” in the “cool”….the SPIRIT…of the day. That Spirit of the Day is Christ Jesus….the Word of God.

But they hid from Him….that is, they had no faith in what they heard and were NOT obedient to His voice. What was His voice saying to them? He was instructing them into the Way of righteousness. Christ Jesus was preached even then for Jesus is the same YESTERDAY, today and to the ages.

Genesis 3:8-12 KJV
(8) And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
(9) And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

They were afraid. That had no faith in what was being said. There is no fear in love. Did they love what His Voice had to say? Will we repeat the same mistakes today?

(10) And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
(11) And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

The “woman” is the tongue that gives us “fruit” to eat. There is the power of life and death in the tongue. After we have heard His Voice….His instruction….there is no more sacrifice for sins….for evil speaking. "I did eat" is really saying "I AM eating".

As He hears, He judges. Choose life and not “death”. Kiss the Son with our words lest He be angry with us.

(12) And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

His Voice comes walking today in the “garden”…in our HEARTS…..as we hear His Word being spoken.
Will we doubt? Jesus also came walking on the sea. Will we also be in fear and doubt?

Matthew 14:25-31 KJV
(25) And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
(26) And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
(27) But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
(28) And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
(29) And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

Will we see the “wind boisterous” ….the evil speaking of others who are contrary to what is being said….and be in doubt of the Word coming to us upon the “sea”?

(30) But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
(31) And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

Today, will we hide among the “trees” when we hear His Voice walking in the “garden” in the Spirit of the day? Will we harden our hearts as in the provocation?

Hebrews 3:7-9 KJV
(7) Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
(8) Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[FONT=&quot](9) When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years[/FONT]
 
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Again, if we bless God and also curse men who have been made after the similitude of God, we are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil. The men who are made after the similitude of God are the ones who have put on the new man….Christ Jesus…and speak His Word in Truth and sincerity with love to others.

James 3:8-12 KJV
(8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
(9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

When hatred is shown to those who are preaching His Word of Truth, how can a tree bear good fruit also? Either make the tree good or completely bad.

How will religious man respond to the knowledge of the good….the knowledge of Jesus Christ our Savior? Will he receive the love of the Truth and be saved or will he rise up in pride to oppose and contradict and hate those who will be preaching it?

(10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
(11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
(12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Again, once we have received the knowledge of the Truth…the knowledge of the good….then there is no more sacrifice for continued willful sins… cursing those who will be preaching it. We can not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil without consequences for we will no longer be in ignorance as our eyes of our understanding shall be “opened” by His knowledge.

Hebrews 10:26 KJV
(26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

In the Day that we shall eat of it we shall surely die.

The literal translation is this: “dying you shall die”. The Hebrew word for die is “muwth” and is repeated twice here…. “muwth muwth”.

They are two different forms of the verb though….the second being an imperfect form of "die" which means an action that is not completed…like as in continuing to die.

As we start to curse others who have revealed the Truth to us, we start to die inside. Our love starts to grow cold as we continue to persecute those preachers of the Truth with our mouths.

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
(16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The serpent says “you shall not surely die”. The literal translation is: “dying you shall not die”.

Genesis 3:4-5 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The Hebrew “muwth” means “to die, to KILL”. We can not “kill” others with the sword of our mouths and continue to live inside.

The tongue can be used as a “sword” to “kill” others with. Those who will take the sword of their tongue shall perish with the same sword….their own tongue shall bring forth fruit unto “death”.

Matthew 26:52 KJV
(52) Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

And here is the lie of the serpent….. by killing others with their mouths, they will think that they shall not die….for those who will “kill” you will be thinking that they will be doing God service.

They will be “blessing God”…doing Him service….with their lips as they will feel justified by “killing” others who speak and receive the Truth.

The time is coming when those who will kill men who have put on Christ Jesus with their evil speeches shall be deluded to think that they will be doing God service.

John 16:2-3 KJV
(2) They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
(3) And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Blessed are those when men shall hate you and when they shall separate you from their company.

Luke 6:22 KJV
(22) Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you,and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

All those who will live godly in Christ Jesus shall be persecuted by their very own who will not receive the love of the Truth. All tongues shall hate us as they will afflict us with their evil words.

Matthew 24:9-13 KJV
(9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
(10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

The prediction of the false prophets: “yes, go ahead and kill those who preach the Truth with your evil words, for you shall not die”.

(11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And so as they continue to “kill” you with their words, they continue to die inside as their love shall wax cold. But blessed are those who will stand firm in the faith of the Truth until the end.

(12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
(13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The following is an imperfect form of the verb…. “hast eaten” should read ARE EATING. As Adam CONTINUES to eat of that tree, cursed is the ground for thy sake. The heart of those who continue to bash those who will receive and preach the Truth shall become sorrowful. The tongue shall bring sorrows and pain to the heart until the final “death”… returning to a reprobate mind from which he was taken from .

Genesis 3:17-19 KJV
(17) And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
(18) Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

“in the sweat of thy face”…..should say “in the sweat of thy nostrils”….which means in wrath, anger.

(19) In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

To be continued…..
 
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Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
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By "death" is meant "Extinction."

The sin that entered into the world of man is a Trait passed down through all of the 22, now, extinct species leading to the ascent of Modern man.

We could be next.
That is the message.

That "trait" is a genetically founded propensity for an initial Self Centeredness at birth that is the foundation for the human Selfishness Jesus condemned.

The salvation of mankind depends upon love for others and a Charity that is diametrically opposed to that Original Trait now found in our hearts, Selfishness.
 
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By "death" is meant "Extinction."

The sin that entered into the world of man is a Trait passed down through all of the 22, now, extinct species leading to the ascent of Modern man.

The salvation of mankind depends upon love for others and a Charity that is diametrically opposed to that Original Trait now found in our hearts, Selfishness.
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The salvation of man depends on the "Mercy" that God chooses to extend and to whom.

There is no charity but Love that is extended of your ownself by the Love toward others.

1Pe 3:13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?

1Co 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Pro 20:22 Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee.

Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

Pro 20:20 Whoso curseth his father or his mother, his lamp shall be put out in obscure darkness.

Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:4-8
 
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The Hebrew word “muwth” means “to die, to KILL”….and can be seen as killing in order to carry out a penalty for a crime.

Partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is to have a double tongue ….one that blesses God and yet curses the brothers who present the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ to him. Many will think they will be doing God “service” by doing so just because they won’t agree with what is being said…the revealed Word of Truth.

Those who will do these things….speaking evil of his brother…set themselves up as “gods” knowing good and evil. What does this mean?

Genesis 3:4-5 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The word for “gods” is “elohim” which can mean “judges” as well.

It means that they will act as JUDGES. As it says in the book of James: When we speak evil of our brother, we are being a judge.

James 4:11-12 KJV
(11) Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Those who will speak evil of their brothers (partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil), will act as “judges”…. “gods”….by doing so.

The brothers that will be spoken evil of are the ones who will be preaching the Word of Truth in sincerity in this last day. Yet, they will not bear with what a brother will say and will speak evil of the “law”. The “law” is the instruction into the Way of righteousness.

They will be “judges” of what someone preaches in Truth. They will judge the “law”…the instruction…the Message itself. If we judge what is being said and not do what it says, then we are being a “judge”.



They will deceive others….. “ye shall be as gods”….that is, judges…to join them in their condemnation of what is being said and those who are saying it.

The instruction comes from ONE lawgiver. Who are we to judge another…to judge one of His messengers of His “law”?

(12) There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

The “law” of the wise is a fountain of life. The “law” = “torah” …which means INSTRUCTION. Those who will despise the instruction…the Word….will not be a doer of the “law” but will instead set themselves up as a JUDGE of what is being said. The “law” is to have love for one another. How can we say we love God but hate our brothers?

“ye shall be as gods”….. you shall be as judges knowing good and evil. Who are we to judge another?

Proverbs 13:13-14 KJV
(13) Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.
(14) The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

He that speaks evil of his brother JUDGES him. Those who do such things make themselves as “gods”…judges. Judge not…speak evil not of another…so that we are not judged for doing so.

Matthew 7:1-2 KJV
(1) Judge not, that ye be not judged.
(2) For with what judgment ye judge, yeshall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And as JUDGES do, they will cause someone to “die” with their mouth as they reach their “verdict” of what is being said. They will be judge, jury and executioner of those who will preach the Truth.

They will “kill” with their mouths those who they will disagree with….and YET they will think that they are still doing God “service”. The hate shall come out of their mouths.


Woe unto them that call good evil.

Isaiah 5:20-21 KJV
(20) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes. “ye shall be as gods”…judges…knowing better than His messengers of the Truth. They will determine what is good and evil in their own eyes. They will call good as evil in their evil speaking.

(21) Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

As “judges”, they will pronounce those who will preach the Truth as “evildoers”.

Let us not render evil for their evil when the time comes.

The “serpent” shall falsely accuse and slander those who will live godly in Christ Jesus n this last day. The word “devil” means “false accuser, slanderer”. The word “Satan” means “the accuser, obstruct, oppose.” They shall falsely accuse and will oppose what is being said.

1 Peter 3:15-17 KJV
(15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
(16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuseyour good conversation in Christ.
(17) For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

They shall deceive many in the churches in this coming time…..and many shall follow their “pernicious ways” by reason of whom the Way of Truth shall be spoken evil of while they oppose the Lord who bought them.

2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
(1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

To be continued…
 
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As “judges”, they will pronounce those who will preach the Truth as “evildoers”. Wheeler qoute.

When you speak of preaching the Truth, is this summed up in this passage to you.
Act 5:20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.
This Life that will speak through us as the Father did through our brother.
 
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We know not what whom we worship.

But our God has compassion upon us in this last day and sends His Son…the revealed Word of God that will be preached to all….and gives us His understanding so that we may know Him that is true.
1 John 5:20 KJV
(20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

And whosever believes in Him should not PERISH but have Life. When one eats of the tree of the knowledge of the good and evil after receiving the knowledge of the good….the knowledge of the Truth, then one starts to “die” inside……the perishing.

John 3:15-21 KJV
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation: that Light comes into the world by the preaching of the Truth but men will love their darkness….their ignorance….more than the Light. Their deeds will be evil….for they will hate the Light and will speak “idle” words against it and against those who preach it.

(19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
(20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
(21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The “wages of sin” is “death”. Evil speaking against the Light and against His messengers is “sin”.

Romans 6:20-23 KJV
(20) For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
(21) What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
(22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The wages of sin is death. Being contentious and not obeying the Truth shall bring tribulation and anguish.

Romans 2:5-8 KJV
(5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
(6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
(7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
(8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
(9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
(10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

The wages of sin is death. Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil after receiving the knowledge of the Truth…..speaking evil of another and of the Truth shall cause one to “die” inside.

Genesis 2:17 KJV
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The woman continues to “eat”……imperfect form of the verb. This is an action not completed but ongoing.

Genesis 3: 13 (YLT) And Jehovah God saith to the woman, 'What 'is' this thou hast done?' and the woman saith, 'The serpent hath caused me to forget—and I do eat.'

As one continues to speak evil, the love starts to die out within. The love shall wax cold. By “killing” another by their judgment (evil speaking), things start to happen. Sorrow shall be multiplied when they shall bring evil words to “birth”….for men shall be judged by every idle word that is brought to birth in the day of judgment.

Genesis 3:16 KJV
(16) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

The heart conceives of the evil words in wrath first and then one opens the mouth to speak evil…..giving birth to “sin”. Evil words come forth which brings forth “death” when there is no longer any sacrifice for willful sins. Sorrow shall be multiplied to the one who will continue to do this after receiving the knowledge of the Truth. But our Lord is patient with us not wanting anyone to perish but come to the repentance and acknowledgement of the Truth.

James 1:15 (YLT) afterward the desire having conceived, doth give birth to sin, and the sin having been perfected, doth bring forth death.


He manfests the savor of His knowledge in every place. But those who will not believe shall speak evil of it…..and will perish inside as a result. The Truth shall cause him to perish because he did not obey it but instead was contentious with it.

2 Corinthians 2:14-17 KJV
(14) Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
(15) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
(16) To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
(17) For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
 
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