I am not part of the group that believes we have souls that are trapped inside flesh bodies.
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Originally Posted by TimothewMatthew 8:23
και εμβαντι αυτω εις το πλοιον ηκολουθησαν αυτω οι μαθηται αυτου
And embarking him into the boat following him the students his
He got into a boat and his students followed him.
Not sure how that makes a difference
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NT) Matthew 8:23 | kai <2532> {AND} embanti <1684> (5631) {HAVING ENTERED} autw <846> {HIM} eiV <1519> {INTO} to <3588> {THE} ploion <4143> {SHIP,} hkolouqhsan <190> (5656) {FOLLOWED} autw <846> {TO HIM} oi <3588> {THE} maqhtai <3101> {DISCIPLES} autou <846> {OF HIM}
NT) Matthew 8:23 | kai <2532> {AND} embanti <1684> (5631) {HAVING ENTERED} autw <846> {HE} eiV <1519> {INTO} to <3588> {THE} ploion <4143> {SHIP,} hkolouqhsan <190> (5656) {FOLLOWED} autw <846> oi <3588> {HIM} maqhtai <3101> autou <846> {HIS DISCIPLES.}
1684. embaino em-ba'-hee-no from 1722 and the base of 939; to walk on, i.e. embark (aboard a vessel), reach (a pool):--come (get) into, enter (into), go (up) into, step in, take ship.
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he-man
he-man
oi <3588> (1), one (6), one who (1), one* (1), others (4), others* (1), outsiders* (3), people (1), sight (1), some (7), some* (5), suitable (1), these (4), things (1), this (31), those (406), those who
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]G1684 εμβας εμβαντι transfer; to convey from one place or person to another; to transport, remove, or cause to pass, to another place or person [/FONT][/FONT]
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Thanks LLOJ, it's good to see you here.
I put "embarking" because I saw that embanti was in the aorist tense and I wanted to convey the sense of "being in the state of what you are doing now", I didn't put that just right, and I still don't really get aorist. I also put embarking because I wanted a verb that specifically meant "to go aboard a boat", as opposed to going onto a horse or into a house or whatever. Maybe I should have put "and boarding him into the boat".
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Right now, I'm bumping up against some of my extended families weird beliefs. We had to make the meaningless decision of whether to put shoes in the casket. My sister-in-law said "he doesn't need them because he'll be an angel and he can fly." I said said, "Well, I'm planning to get up and walk around again after I die." She said "Good luck with that."that is why I said, "you are among the living"
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he-man
he-man
Death is very stressful and even unwanted comments are better left for discussion at a much later time when everyone has calmed down.
Mat 8:24 και ιδου σεισμος μεγας εγενετο εν τη θαλασση ωστε το πλοιον καλυπτεσθαι υπο των κυματων αυτος δε εκαθευδεν
Mt 8:24 And, lo, it it happened1 a great earthquake2 in the sea, so that the ship was blanketed3 by the swells4: but he was asleep.
1* Greek γίνομαι to become, to happen, to take place
2* Greek σεισμός earthquake
3* Greek καλυπτει καλυπτω blanket, cap, cloak, cover
4* Greek κυματων κυμα swell, waft, wave
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Thank you for the good advice, I wish that I had seen it earlier. My brother is a dick, nuff said.
Here is my shot at Matthew 8:24
και ιδου σεισμος μεγας εγενετο εν τη θαλασση ωστε το πλοιον καλυπτεσθαι υπο των κυματων αυτος δε εκαθευδεν
And you-see shaking great happened in the sea so the boat was-covered under the waves he but was-sleeping.
And you see, a great turbulence was happening in the sea so that the boat was covered under by the waves - but he was asleep.
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Matthew 8:25
και προσελθοντες οι μαθηται ηγειραν αυτον λεγοντες κυριε σωσον ημας απολλυμεθα
And coming-to (him) the students were-raising him saying Lord you-must-save us we-are-being-destroyed
And the disciples came to him and woke him up saying, "Lord, Rescue us! We're getting killed!"
και προσελθοντες οι μαθηται ηγειραν αυτον λεγοντες κυριε σωσον ημας απολλυμεθα
And coming-to (him) the students were-raising him saying Lord you-must-save us we-are-being-destroyed
And the disciples came to him and woke him up saying, "Lord, Rescue us! We're getting killed!"
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he-man
he-man
Mat 8:25 και προσελθοντες ηγειραν αυτον λεγοντες κυριε σωσον απολλυμεθα
And his disciples came to him, saying, Lord, salve us: from being demolished.
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Right, I saw the Byzantine included "hoi mathetai" and some of the others didn't. Just another example of the inherent superiority of the Byzantine Family of manuscripts!
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Matthew 8:26
και λεγει αυτοις τι δειλοι εστε ολιγοπιστοι τοτε εγερθεις επετιμησεν τοις ανεμοις και τη θαλασση και εγενετο γαληνη μεγαλη
and said-to them why fearful are-you littlefaiths then got-up scolded the winds and the sea and became calm great
He said to them, "Little faiths! Why are you afraid?" Then he got up and scolded the winds and the sea and everything became very calm.
και λεγει αυτοις τι δειλοι εστε ολιγοπιστοι τοτε εγερθεις επετιμησεν τοις ανεμοις και τη θαλασση και εγενετο γαληνη μεγαλη
and said-to them why fearful are-you littlefaiths then got-up scolded the winds and the sea and became calm great
He said to them, "Little faiths! Why are you afraid?" Then he got up and scolded the winds and the sea and everything became very calm.
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Matthew 8:27
οι δε ανθρωποι εθαυμασαν λεγοντες ποταπος εστιν ουτος οτι και οι ανεμοι και η θαλασσα υπακουουσιν αυτω
The but men were-amazed saying what-kind is this that and the winds and the sea obey him
The men were amazed saying, "What kind of person is this that both the winds and the sea obey him?"
οι δε ανθρωποι εθαυμασαν λεγοντες ποταπος εστιν ουτος οτι και οι ανεμοι και η θαλασσα υπακουουσιν αυτω
The but men were-amazed saying what-kind is this that and the winds and the sea obey him
The men were amazed saying, "What kind of person is this that both the winds and the sea obey him?"
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he-man
Mat 8:27 But the men wondered, saying, What does this mean, that even the winds and the sea obey him!
οι δε ανθρωποι εθαυμασαν λεγοντες ποταπος εστιν ουτος οτι και οι ανεμοι και η θαλασσα υπακουουσιν αυτω
Mat 8:26 And he said to them, To what extent are you fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and reprimanded the winds and the sea; and a great calm came to pass.
και λεγει αυτοις τι δειλοι εστε ολιγοπιστοι τοτε εγερθεις επετιμησεν τοις ανεμοις και τη θαλασση και εγενετο γαληνη μεγαλη
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egeneto, it came to pass.
That's seems accurate, but I have issues with the phrase "And it came to pass." I guess it's just me, but it sounds Mormonish.
That's seems accurate, but I have issues with the phrase "And it came to pass." I guess it's just me, but it sounds Mormonish.
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Matthew 8:28
και ελθοντι αυτω εις το περαν εις την χωραν των γεργεσηνων υπηντησαν αυτω δυο δαιμονιζομενοι εκ των μνημειων εξερχομενοι χαλεποι λιαν ωστε μη ισχυειν τινα παρελθειν δια της οδου εκεινης
And coming he into the other-side into the region the Gergesenon met him two demoniacs from the memorials coming-out violent very so not able anyone pass-by by the road that.
And he crossed to the other side and came into the region of Gergesenon. Two demoniacs came up from the memorial tombs and met him. They were so very violent that no one was able to pass by on that road.
και ελθοντι αυτω εις το περαν εις την χωραν των γεργεσηνων υπηντησαν αυτω δυο δαιμονιζομενοι εκ των μνημειων εξερχομενοι χαλεποι λιαν ωστε μη ισχυειν τινα παρελθειν δια της οδου εκεινης
And coming he into the other-side into the region the Gergesenon met him two demoniacs from the memorials coming-out violent very so not able anyone pass-by by the road that.
And he crossed to the other side and came into the region of Gergesenon. Two demoniacs came up from the memorial tombs and met him. They were so very violent that no one was able to pass by on that road.
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και ελθοντων αυτων εις την χωραν τω γαζαρηνων υπητησαν αυτω δυο δεμονιζομενοι εκ των μνημιω εξερχομενοι χαλεποι λιαν ωστε μη ϊσχυειν τινα παρελθειν δια τησ οδου εκινης
28 And when he had come to the other side, into the country of the Gadarenes, there met him two possessed, from out of the tombs, very hard, so that no one could pass by that way.
Mark 5:1 says "a man" not two men.
και ηλθον εις το περαν της θαλασσης εις την χωραν των γαδαρηνων και εξελθοντος αυτου εκ του πλοιου ευθυς υπηντησεν απηντησεν αυτω εκ των μνημειων ανθρωπος εν πνευματι ακαθαρτω
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Matthew 8:29
και ιδου εκραξαν λεγοντες τι ημιν και σοι ιησου υιε του θεου ηλθες ωδε προ καιρου βασανισαι ημας
And seeing called-out saying what us and you Jesus son the God come here before season examine us
When they saw him they called out, "What is between us and you, Jesus - Son of God? Have you come here before the time to examine us?"
I have to explain βασανίσαι and why I translated as I did, since this is a proof-text verse for people who want to discover that God will torment people.
βασανίζω is usually translated torment. Strong's short definition for basanizo is "I torment, torture, buffet." Looking deeper at basanizo shows "I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves." from basanos, of Oriental origin - a touchstone (a dark stone used in testing metals), hence examination by torture, torture.
But is torture really indicated by basanos? Does anyone torture metals when they test them with a touchstone? No, metal can't be tortured. So the idea of examining by torture is out, but the idea of examining something to determine it's quality remains. So I take from this that basanizo means "I examine" as if I am a judge or a detective examining a crime scene finding facts. This is what the demoniacs were afraid of, they didn't want the facts to come out. They knew they were guilty.
και ιδου εκραξαν λεγοντες τι ημιν και σοι ιησου υιε του θεου ηλθες ωδε προ καιρου βασανισαι ημας
And seeing called-out saying what us and you Jesus son the God come here before season examine us
When they saw him they called out, "What is between us and you, Jesus - Son of God? Have you come here before the time to examine us?"
I have to explain βασανίσαι and why I translated as I did, since this is a proof-text verse for people who want to discover that God will torment people.
βασανίζω is usually translated torment. Strong's short definition for basanizo is "I torment, torture, buffet." Looking deeper at basanizo shows "I examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves." from basanos, of Oriental origin - a touchstone (a dark stone used in testing metals), hence examination by torture, torture.
But is torture really indicated by basanos? Does anyone torture metals when they test them with a touchstone? No, metal can't be tortured. So the idea of examining by torture is out, but the idea of examining something to determine it's quality remains. So I take from this that basanizo means "I examine" as if I am a judge or a detective examining a crime scene finding facts. This is what the demoniacs were afraid of, they didn't want the facts to come out. They knew they were guilty.
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