is it possible every religion is a lie and billions of people are wrong

All religion is a lie if it is not founded in the absolute truth of YHWH and His word. When humans invent their own interpretations of worship founded not in the word of God, such as Xmas, Easter, bowing down and praying to statues etc etc how can their religion not be a lie?

SanFrank said:

Its a story about 3 blind men and an elephant

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Actually there were nine blind men.

Just a story with historical revisions. Like first they're blind but then they're not blind but just in a dark room.

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Which doesn't change the point of the story, whereas you turned it on its head.

Religious arrogance? That must be what all bahai's think of christians.

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Only ones who act like you. Pope John XXIII, Mother Teresa, etc. are not arrogant.

muzza21 said:

All religion is a lie if it is not founded in the absolute truth of YHWH and His word.

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The NT doesn't mention Yahweh. Does that make it a lie?

pinkputter said:

Then how come Christians agree on the characteristics of God?

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Do they?

Awhile back I contrasted Anselm and Abelard's concepts of God. I'd say they were pretty distinct. I get a very different picture of God when I go to an Apostolic church like the Church of God in Christ than I do when I go to a liberal Presbyterian church.

If there is no God, than all religions are lying.
If there is a God and He just left humans to fend for themselves and all religions are lying.
There are religions that do not have a “God” but do believe in some “higher” power controlling things, but that is also like a God.
The question that has to be addressed in these scenarios is why?
Why would this universe form the way it is?
Why would Life ever start?
Why does everything seem to fit a purpose described in scripture and not be created for that purpose?

bling said:

The question that has to be addressed in these scenarios is why?
Why would this universe form the way it is?
Why would Life ever start?
Why does everything seem to fit a purpose described in scripture and not be created for that purpose?

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There's a more fundamental question that you missed: Does there need to be a "why"?

Great post!

But I would say If you aren't a believer then you will definitely have these questions! However, I myself have had doubts in my life which have actually helped me to find what I believe and why! The reason I can say there is a God is because of my past and because of the trials He has pulled me through! My faith has grown and I know that He is always there and moving in my life! Hope that answers!

RoseOfJesus said:

i think so. just because a lot of people think the same thing does not make it true

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is it possible every religion is a lie and billions of people are wrong

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Matthew 19:26
New International Version (NIV)
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

It's not only possible...

RoseOfJesus said:

i think so.

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So lets all be materialistic (Yay!).

smaneck said:

Do they?

A while back I contrasted Anselm and Abelard's concepts of God. I'd say they were pretty distinct. I get a very different picture of God when I go to an Apostolic church like the Church of God in Christ than I do when I go to a liberal Presbyterian church.

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Yeah .... I like the idea of "projected false gods". You don't even need bells, whistles, buzzers, or "magic" .... you just a group of people thinking they are correct, acting as though they are correct, and producing idols off that to "prove" they are correct.

Then suddenly you have 10,000 different denominations, all giving different feels, different takes, different pictures ... because they're all projecting what they want to be true onto their "idol": their church, their denomination, their religion, their sub-culture, etc.

They see the evidence of their god all around them, because they created it and put names and attributes to it. Or, they found stuff that was already there (life, human beings, lightening, emotions) and said: "God !".

In other words it's not the idol that's giving off the different feels ... it's the person projecting onto the idol. Otherwise, it's all just buildings, words, ideas ...

Delphiki said:

It's not only possible...

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Yes ... arguing as to what 2+2 equals without being able to prove there is a 2+2 in the first place.

day time said:

Yes ... arguing as to what 2+2 equals without being able to prove there is a 2+2 in the first place.

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I fail to see the consistency in your reply to what I hinted at. I'm saying that not only is it possible, but it's probably true that all religions are lying/misled/deluded and wrong.

Why? Because not one of them has ever been able to provide any proof that they are right. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence for me to be convinced.

bling said:

If there is no God, than all religions are lying.

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Except Buddhism and Jainism.

If there is a God and He just left humans to fend for themselves and all religions are lying.

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Not if it doesn't teach that God intervenes.

There are religions that do not have a “God” but do believe in some “higher” power controlling things, but that is also like a God.

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So does science. It teaches the existence of things like gravity, inertia, etc.

The question that has to be addressed in these scenarios is why?
Why would this universe form the way it is?
Why would Life ever start?

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"Why" is the religious question.

Why does everything seem to fit a purpose described in scripture and not be created for that purpose?

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Which scripture?

SithDoughnut said:

There's a more fundamental question that you missed: Does there need to be a "why"?

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Humanly speaking, apparently yes. Scientifically speaking that's a question it can't answer.

JesusFreak4L said:

The reason I can say there is a God is because of my past and because of the trials He has pulled me through! My faith has grown and I know that He is always there and moving in my life! Hope that answers!

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Personal experiences, like miracles, are evidence only for the one who witnesses them directly.

Delphiki said:

I fail to see the consistency in your reply to what I hinted at. I'm saying that not only is it possible, but it's probably true that all religions are lying/misled/deluded and wrong.

Why? Because not one of them has ever been able to provide any proof that they are right. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence for me to be convinced.

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Claims like there is a two?I will need some extraordinary evidence to be convinced that two exists.

grasping the after wind said:

Claims like there is a two?I will need some extraordinary evidence to be convinced that two exists.

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That humans use a number 2 is not an extraordinary claim. In fact, the use of the number 2 is quite ordinary. How many eyes do you have? Arms? Wheels on a bicycle? It's a word humans use to describe one more than one and one less than three. This quantity appears many many times each day in all our lives and is directly observable. We make practical use of this number (unlike religion or prayer) every day. If something is extraordinary, then 2 is definitely not it.

An extraordinary claim would be a claim of something out of (extra) the ordinary, highly improbable, and not commonly observed. You know, like making an entire universe in 6 days, or a talking snake, or walking on water -- things pretty much nobody ever observes or has evidence of, if at all. Sorry for the tautology, but I can't think of any other way to explain to you the difference between ordinary and extraordinary.

RoseOfJesus said:

is it possible every religion is a lie and billions of people are wrong

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Every religion IS a lie if you cant distinguish between mythic meaning and surface representation.
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Delphiki said:

I fail to see the consistency in your reply to what I hinted at. I'm saying that not only is it possible, but it's probably true that all religions are lying/misled/deluded and wrong.

Why? Because not one of them has ever been able to provide any proof that they are right. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence for me to be convinced.

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What I was saying is that religions are arguing about who is correct, instead of trying to prove whether their foundation is correct: the existence of a deity in the first place.

2+2=5, no, 2+2=7

2+2 is the "god" here, yes ?

God is good, no ... God is evil. No, God is _______ ....

Why argue about who is correct concerning the attributes of something instead of trying to prove that very something exists in the first place, with evidence ...

Bigfoot is a gentleman, no, Bigfoot is a prick. No, Bigfoot's call sounds like this, and he's known to do that ....

Show me Bigfoot again ?

I assumed I was agreeing with what you were hinting at. I assumed you didn't believe in the existence of a deity. If you do believe in the existence of a deity, then I can see where what I was saying is inconsistent with the point you were trying to make, my bad ....

day time said:

What I was saying is that religions are arguing about who is correct, instead of trying to prove whether their foundation is correct: the existence of a deity in the first place.

2+2=5, no, 2+2=7

2+2 is the "god" here, yes ?

God is good, no ... God is evil. No, God is _______ ....

Why argue about who is correct concerning the attributes of something instead of trying to prove that very something exists in the first place, with evidence ...

Bigfoot is a gentleman, no, Bigfoot is a prick. No, Bigfoot's call sounds like this, and he's known to do that ....

Show me Bigfoot again ?

I assumed I was agreeing with what you were hinting at. I assumed you didn't believe in the existence of a deity. If you do believe in the existence of a deity, then I can see where what I was saying is inconsistent with the point you were trying to make, my bad ....

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Oh, I didn't realize you were referring to the image in my sig. lol

I think the 2+2 is there not to provide an analogy for a deity, but there as part of an incorrect statement (incomplete without the un-equations). The cartoon simply says "you're both wrong".

I thought you were trying to convey that the number two, being a human concept or way to describe a quantity, was somehow just as incredulous as a deity.