Originally posted by Me4him
"ONE MISTAKE".
Unless one states axiomatically that the KJV is 100% true, then the KJV also fails this criteria.
If one states axiomatically that the KJV is 100% true, then any further argument is folly, since unless that premise can be debated, any further discussion will fall on deaf ears...
but what the hay...
Lets assume for the moment that the KJV has at least one error., then lets answer these questions of
Me4him:
Question
1. Would God tell us to be "perfect", yet give us an "imprefect word" to achieve that "perfection"???
Why
would he give an imperfect KJV? Why would he give an imperfect LXX? Why would he give an imperfect NIV/NASB/NLT? Perhaps in order to be truly saved one must have the autographs and speak the original language.
Or perhaps God can work with the translations of the day and through the guidance of the Holy Spirit guide his chosen to the truth that th scpritures speak.
2. How is it possible for God to create everything that is made, yet is unable to create a "book" that is as "perfect" as he??
The first 'book' God created was smashed to peices by Moses at the foot of Mt. Sinai. His Spirit guides us to the perfect truth, not just words, and not just the wisdom of man. And since his Spirit is perfect, its guidance is perfect.
Just as an aside, God never called his creation 'perfect' he called it 'good' and 'very good'.
3. The Bible tells us "All Scripture is inspired by God", yet in discussing various translations, only the "translators" are mentioned as being "responsible" for choosing the "words", never God. Why???
If all Scripture is inspired by God why isn't the NASB, NIV, NLT etc. also inspired. Has God quit working in getting his word out to the world? Has the Spirit ceased its work in 1611? Most translator's notes I've read (including the KJV) don't claim inerrancy for thier translation, only that their work should suffice in getting the truth of the good news out to as many people as possible. FTR... No one that supports the 'aspostate bibles' says that one is 'superior' than any other. Only those that support KJV-onlyism are bold enough to claim inspiration and inerrancy to an English translation.
4. God said his word would never pass away, but the general concensus is that down through the ages/translations the "True word" of God has been lost, so "any" translation that teaches the same "general idea" is acceptable, even if it isn't "perfect".
So has God stopped preserving his word in 1611? Has he decided that Elizabethean english is the final tounge that he will support? Regardless of the ability of the spirit to make any language clear to his chosen audience (anyone remember Pentecost?).
5. If "God's word" is under "divine protection", for all ages, can mankind destroy it, will it cease to be "Perfect"???
God's word is
logos.. or Christ, and is eternal and living. That
logos lives within redeemed people, and will guide them to all truth. Hasn't anyone read the gospel of John?
What you believe about God determines what translation you'll accept.
So believing that God is manifest in the world that his presence in the life of a beliver, and God's knowledge is limitless, and perfect, will lead us to restrict ourselves to a single english translation?
That seems dichotomous.
Jesus put it into a "nutshell" when he said:
Mt 9:29 According to your faith be it unto you
When you believe God is perfect, his word is perfect and he has preserved his word perfect, you can see that perfection that man's translations can't match, no matter how hard they try.
Amen.. even KJV... you are close to that which you seek, Grasshopper.
I'm not a KJV only by "personal preferences", I don't care, I only want the "TRUTH", 100% TRUTH, no leaven, "whatsoever".
What do you believe about God???
I believe that when Jesus said...
John 16:13 [sup](KJV)[/sup]
[sup]13[/sup] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He meant that...
Peace.