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I am a Veteran of twenty years, and I served as a Civil Servant for twenty five for the United States Army. I am also a Baptist preacher. I pose this question because I would like to know what other active duty Soldiers feel about this move by the Congress.

In fact force people to deal with this issue. if you are on active duty in the military telling me what your reaction is to this? I know you can't do anything about it, but how do you feel and does it make a difference in your units?

I know the Chaplins are also going though a hard time to with Changes.
 
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I am a Veteran of twenty years, and I served as a Civil Servant for twenty five for the United States Army. I am also a Baptist preacher. I pose this question because I would like to know what other active duty Soldiers feel about this move by the Congress.

In fact force people to deal with this issue. if you are on active duty in the military telling me what your reaction is to this? I know you can't do anything about it, but how do you feel and does it make a difference in your units?

I know the Chaplins are also going though a hard time to with Changes.
Yes, I'm sure they are having a hard time treating people equally. Must be rough.
 
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I am a Veteran of twenty years, and I served as a Civil Servant for twenty five for the United States Army. I am also a Baptist preacher. I pose this question because I would like to know what other active duty Soldiers feel about this move by the Congress.

In fact force people to deal with this issue. if you are on active duty in the military telling me what your reaction is to this? I know you can't do anything about it, but how do you feel and does it make a difference in your units?

I know the Chaplins are also going though a hard time to with Changes.


Homosexual should be allowed to join the Military
because Homosexual should be allowed to fight and die for their country.
 
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I am a Veteran of twenty years, and I served as a Civil Servant for twenty five for the United States Army. I am also a Baptist preacher. I pose this question because I would like to know what other active duty Soldiers feel about this move by the Congress.

In fact force people to deal with this issue. if you are on active duty in the military telling me what your reaction is to this? I know you can't do anything about it, but how do you feel and does it make a difference in your units?

I know the Chaplins are also going though a hard time to with Changes.

I've heard since they lets gays in the military has become a party and everyone is invited. I'm hoping they do something with the Army dress uniforms. They're so meh.
 
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Yes, I'm sure they are having a hard time treating people equally. Must be rough.

You can thank your precious Bill Clinton and the 1993 Democratically controlled House and Senate for your hated discrimination policy. What you didn't know that?

Nothing has changed in the Military. We couldn't walk up to a homosexual and harass them before, and we can't do it now. We would have been kicked out before, and we still will. The military has always been strict on harassment and treating people equally. The military has to operate under he laws passed by the American people. We can't just do what we want.

The military can't be blamed for laws passed in the Congress. It was the American people who enacted the law. You don't want a military who does what it wants. That is more dangerous than discrimination.
 
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I as an active duty service member and as a Christian have witnessed no negative effect of the policy change. I think this is absolutely the right change to make.

I am a Christian but I have no right to deny Homosexuals the priviledge and honor of serving their country or any other job simply because they refuse my religious beliefs.

A person's sexuality isn't relevant to their opportunity to serve in the military. America is not a Christian country and the U.S Military is not a Christian organization and neither should ever be.

I believe homosexuality is wrong, I believe my religious beliefs don't deserve consideration when it comes to their opportunities. They are still humans, people, American citizens and they should be allowed to serve with honor. Christianity is a religion, it does not have the monopoly on what is right and wrong in the world.
 
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Yes, I'm sure they are having a hard time treating people equally. Must be rough.

I am sure that the Military will be equal to all who serve. Yes it is rough to be a christian and believe that because someone has made a issue of sex and wants to import there Ideas, that first people want to become aware of likes and dislikes of what goes on in the Bedroom, I feel its immoral for people to parade there bodies down a public street in front of families and especially children on Gay pride Parade. You see that is way to much information.

I have no more business in your Bedroom as you don't have any business in mine. But since the homosexual community has made it law, somehow it makes it right, I want to inform you that it still is wrong in the eyes of God. The people who are christians don't have much choice but to abide by the Law. The chaplins have been instructed not to talk about this issue in the Military establishment, and to stay neutral. but many who are strongly against this will be leaving the Military.

So you can say that it rough for Chaplins, that you will have equal opportunity an treated right. Enjoy the ride Homosexuals as all of us will also answer to God, for are sin. Remember you will answer or won't you?
 
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Sad things still happen, terrible things still happen, a year ago Military published doctrine stated that homosexuality was contrary to military ethics and culture at every level. Some Chaplains are terrible and hate still exists. Pvt Chen died last month, he was beaten and racially taunted and he eventually shot himself while in Afghanistan, he was in a combat zone and his own peers terrorized him, beat him and he felt the only way out was to shoot himself.

Pvt Danny Chen ... look it up.

Terrible things still happen, the military has terrible people in it still, but eight people are being held accountable for his death and hopefully justice will be served.

The military isn't to blame but there are terrible people in the military still.
 
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Terrible things still happen, the military has terrible people in it still, but eight people are being held accountable for his death and hopefully justice will be served.

The military isn't to blame but there are terrible people in the military still.

God hates sin not the sinner, No one has the right to be judge Jury and hang man.
the Military. is a place where men rely on other men for their lives. combat is at the very least stressful, a place to be, and people are very close. trust is a very important part of this interaction. When soldiers feel that someone in their unit, is not trust worthy in stead of them trying to bring that person up to there level, they just try to get that person off of their team. I think this is what happen to this Pvt and this Pvt was he Gay?

Its sad to hear, and this issue has been around for 6000 years ever since Sodom and Gomorrah in recorded History. God almighty destroyed citys of people because of homosexuality. I did not say it the bible did so when people of today, thinks that this is a new issue its Old The damage to human life because of mans lust, is not even Measureable, no one can count all the damage caused by sexual sin.

I have witnessed when people go to extremes, on both sides of this issue. Pride and arrogance or should I say Gay Pride the display in San Francisco of the sexuality was shown to young and old alike. Adolph Hitler exterminated thousnds of Homosexuals through out Europe, along with many other people. The Judo Christian Community will not except the Practicing homosexuals in there churches as members or Clurgy not are Law are believe in Gods word.

The line has been drawn in the sand, its not shades of Gray its right or wrong. The fallout from this decision that the Congress has made I think this will come back to cause them to think about what they have done. This tragedy will not be the first nor will it be the last, I will pray for this Pvts Family to give them peace.
 
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I as an active duty service member and as a Christian have witnessed no negative effect of the policy change. I think this is absolutely the right change to make.

I am a Christian but I have no right to deny Homosexuals the priviledge and honor of serving their country or any other job simply because they refuse my religious beliefs.

A person's sexuality isn't relevant to their opportunity to serve in the military. America is not a Christian country and the U.S Military is not a Christian organization and neither should ever be.

I believe homosexuality is wrong, I believe my religious beliefs don't deserve consideration when it comes to their opportunities. They are still humans, people, American citizens and they should be allowed to serve with honor. Christianity is a religion, it does not have the monopoly on what is right and wrong in the world.

Best post by a Christian that I read in this forum since I joined! :thumbsup: Glad to know there are some people like you out there. I like the Christian philosophy, I thought I would find more of this attitude here, too bad I don't:

I've heard since they lets gays in the military has become a party and everyone is invited. I'm hoping they do something with the Army dress uniforms. They're so meh.
 
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Well many Christians really care about their beliefs and they also care about people, but they lack the experience required to understand that people have right and reason to disagree and that the world is bigger than their personal passions and you gain nothing in undermining those heartfelt and sincere disagreements.
 
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I as an active duty service member and as a Christian have witnessed no negative effect of the policy change. I think this is absolutely the right change to make.

I am a Christian but I have no right to deny Homosexuals the priviledge and honor of serving their country or any other job simply because they refuse my religious beliefs.

A person's sexuality isn't relevant to their opportunity to serve in the military. America is not a Christian country and the U.S Military is not a Christian organization and neither should ever be.

I believe homosexuality is wrong, I believe my religious beliefs don't deserve consideration when it comes to their opportunities. They are still humans, people, American citizens and they should be allowed to serve with honor. Christianity is a religion, it does not have the monopoly on what is right and wrong in the world.

:thumbsup: from a Jarhead
 
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Isn't sodomy punishable according the the Uniformed Code of Military Justice?

Language banning sodomy, inappropriate behavior with animals to stay in UCMJ - News - Stripes

Don't think so.
Pentagon officials described the changes as largely a legal housekeeping matter, because the sodomy prohibition had long ago been struck down by the Supreme Court and the inappropriate behavior with animals prohibition was covered by other sections of the UCMJ.
 
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God hates sin not the sinner, No one has the right to be judge Jury and hang man.
the Military. is a place where men rely on other men for their lives. combat is at the very least stressful, a place to be, and people are very close. trust is a very important part of this interaction. When soldiers feel that someone in their unit, is not trust worthy in stead of them trying to bring that person up to there level, they just try to get that person off of their team. I think this is what happen to this Pvt and this Pvt was he Gay?

Its sad to hear, and this issue has been around for 6000 years ever since Sodom and Gomorrah in recorded History. God almighty destroyed citys of people because of homosexuality. I did not say it the bible did so when people of today, thinks that this is a new issue its Old The damage to human life because of mans lust, is not even Measureable, no one can count all the damage caused by sexual sin.

I have witnessed when people go to extremes, on both sides of this issue. Pride and arrogance or should I say Gay Pride the display in San Francisco of the sexuality was shown to young and old alike. Adolph Hitler exterminated thousnds of Homosexuals through out Europe, along with many other people. The Judo Christian Community will not except the Practicing homosexuals in there churches as members or Clurgy not are Law are believe in Gods word.

The line has been drawn in the sand, its not shades of Gray its right or wrong. The fallout from this decision that the Congress has made I think this will come back to cause them to think about what they have done. This tragedy will not be the first nor will it be the last, I will pray for this Pvts Family to give them peace.

No, it was Racial, not sex oriented.
 
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You can thank your precious Bill Clinton and the 1993 Democratically controlled House and Senate for your hated discrimination policy. What you didn't know that?

Nothing has changed in the Military. We couldn't walk up to a homosexual and harass them before, and we can't do it now. We would have been kicked out before, and we still will. The military has always been strict on harassment and treating people equally. The military has to operate under he laws passed by the American people. We can't just do what we want.

The military can't be blamed for laws passed in the Congress. It was the American people who enacted the law. You don't want a military who does what it wants. That is more dangerous than discrimination.
My Clinton? Please. I spent four years in the Marine Corps infantry, I know what goes on behind closed doors.
 
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I as an active duty service member and as a Christian have witnessed no negative effect of the policy change. I think this is absolutely the right change to make.

What branch do you serve in? I'm curious on how the Marines are handling this change.
 
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What branch do you serve in? I'm curious on how the Marines are handling this change.


end of “don’t ask, don’t tell” a non-event
militarytimes said:
Gay ban’s repeal was ‘a non-event,’ Amos says

By Robert Burns - The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Nov 28, 2011 15:45:07 EST

MANAMA, Bahrain — Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Jim Amos, the face of opposition in the military to lifting the ban on gays serving openly, now acknowledges his concern has proven unfounded that repeal would undermine the war effort. In fact, he says, Marines have embraced the change.

In an Associated Press interview, Amos called the repeal in September “a non-event.”

That is in contrast to his cautionary words to Congress in December 2010, shortly before President Obama signed the repeal legislation. The ban was not lifted until this year to allow the Pentagon to prepare troops for the change.

“Successfully implementing repeal and assimilating openly homosexual Marines into the tightly woven fabric of our combat units has strong potential for disruption at the small unit level as it will no doubt ... Read the rest of the story here.
 
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I am Army and I think most service members never really cared and those who did are now getting over it. It seems like just about everyone knew someone in the military who was homosexual and they just didn't care. Alot of the arguments against it were pretentious, unrealistic, things that 90% of service members never encounter anyway.. or simply bigoted.
 
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