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If you would maybe have sex on a public bus durign rush hour, then why haven't you? I actually doubt that you would, nor would anyone else which is precisely the reason it doesn't happen. Context matters to you just as much as it does to a Christian.

Because I don't sleep around. That's why.

I think I still have some of dat Catholic guilt.

Some people get off by having sex in public, you know. It does happen and I have seen it.


Prancing around in overly revealing clothing doesn't mean that you automatically are "proud of your body". Similarly, covering up and being modest doesn't automatically mean that you are "ashamed of your body". In my experience, the "over-revealing" ones are usually the ones with lower self-esteem and body-image issues while the modest ones have greater self-confidence and positive body image.

Who was talking about clothes? :confused:

Although admittably christians are told to hate their bodies and hide them. It's no different than in Islam.

I don't see too many 300 lb mamas walking around with their fat hanging out. Do they have good self images? Doubt it. Contrarily, girls who dress sexy tend to have overly high opinions of themselves, not a poor one.


Your thread is attacking Christians for being prudes. Now you're saying they aren't. What are you getting at?...

I'm saying christian IDEOLOGY is prudish. No one, but the preachers and clergy, truly follow the teachings, but the ideology is very staunchly anti-sex.

To me, the ideal is to wait until marriage. Whether that ideal is put into practice is another topic entirely.

I agree. But we don't live in a perfect world, like the song says. In a perfect world, no one would ever get sick, die, divorce or grow old. But... ain't no livin' in a perfect world. No one would be alone either who desired a mate and no one would be poor either. But that's not reality.

Also, all my Christian friends are virgins. Most of them have good self-confidence and have been in serious, healthy relationships too. So there are some people that manage to hold to it :thumbsup:

How old are they?
 
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Well, they still do it. Why? Because it's human nature.

Which would all be fine, but religion shows up and condemns man for being made man. This is where religion fails.

Funny, God tells us we are fearfully and wonderfully made and that our bodies are His temple so man is not condemned for being made man ... oh wait, man mired in sin and unwilling to repent and embrace God's holiness is condemned (the moral choices we make define us).
 
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It's not just Christians, but religious people in general. I find they are very prudish when it comes to matters of sexuality, the human body and so on...... sexuality is stifled, repressed and people are made to be ashamed of their bodies and carnal desires....

Yeah, I quess that's why small families are a Catholic stereotype. *rolleyes*
 
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But why is sex evil?

Is eating evil?

I suggest you try not eating for a few weeks then get back to me. Let me know how that works out for you.

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I never said sex, in itself was evil. However, being that its such a powerful thing since it has to do with the reproduction of our species, it should be treated with the greatest reverence. Its not something to be taken lightly. Its one of the greatest forms of intimacy, and you really shouldn't have sex with someone you don't love. Its not something that should be treated as a mere, cheap thrill.
 
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Because I don't sleep around. That's why.

I think I still have some of dat Catholic guilt.

Some people get off by having sex in public, you know. It does happen and I have seen it.

Most people get off by doing it secretly because they get the thrill out of the possibility of being caught. I knew a girl who had sex in an elevator in one of the tallest buildings in the city just to say she'd done it. But if someone besides her boyfriend had been on the elevator, I can almost guarantee she wouldn't have done it.

Might I ask why you don't sleep around? Also, even if you were in a committed relationship, you could still go have sex on a bus if you truly thought that context doesn't matter in sexual relationships.

Although admittably christians are told to hate their bodies and hide them. It's no different than in Islam.

You've really gotta start backing these claims up with something.

I'm saying christian IDEOLOGY is prudish. No one, but the preachers and clergy, truly follow the teachings, but the ideology is very staunchly anti-sex.

Anti-sex as in "sex is evil" or anti-sex as in "sex should only be enjoyed in a committed, married, monogamous relationship"?

There's a large difference between these two definitions of "anti-sex". I agree with you that Christian ideology is "prudish" by society's standards and "anti-sex" as per my second definition. But Jesus never came to align himself with society's whims anyway :thumbsup:

How old are they?

Anywhere from 20 to 26. I also have a few Christian friends who are no longer virgins because they got married but they were virgins prior to marriage. Also all these married friends LOVE sex and, there are certainly no "sexual repression", "shame" or "evil" connotations with regard to their sexual relationships. Yay sex!
 
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I suggest you try not eating for a few weeks then get back to me. Let me know how that works out for you.

Gotta jump in here. Sex is not a biological "need". It is a biological "drive". Nothing bad happens to you physiologically or psychologically if you don't have sex. Its a myth.

Eating is a biological "need" in that you will die if you do not receive food within a certain amount of time. Sex is not like this. You will not die. In fact, absolutely nothing will happen to you if you don't have sex.

Here is an interesting article by a pro-sex author who admits that nothing "bad" happens when you abstain from sex: No Sex May Be No Fun - But Is It Unhealthy?

The article concludes with: "What evidence there is indicates that it is possible to live a long, healthy, celibate life. But we here at Sexploration think somebody ought to do a study on why anybody would want to." Haha :p

Sex is not equivalent to eating. Lack of sex does not lead to the same negative results that biological needs do. Breathing, sleeping, eating, drinking and staying warm are all biological needs in that you will die without them. On this point I disagree with Maslow.
 
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I never said sex, in itself was evil. However, being that its such a powerful thing since it has to do with the reproduction of our species, it should be treated with the greatest reverence. Its not something to be taken lightly. Its one of the greatest forms of intimacy, and you really shouldn't have sex with someone you don't love. Its not something that should be treated as a mere, cheap thrill.

I agree. Where did I say otherwise?
 
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Funny, God tells us we are fearfully and wonderfully made and that our bodies are His temple so man is not condemned for being made man ... oh wait, man mired in sin and unwilling to repent and embrace God's holiness is condemned (the moral choices we make define us).

The ot was positive towards sex. The church picks and chooses its dogmas to follow and which to ignore.
 
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Most people get off by doing it secretly because they get the thrill out of the possibility of being caught. I knew a girl who had sex in an elevator in one of the tallest buildings in the city just to say she'd done it. But if someone besides her boyfriend had been on the elevator, I can almost guarantee she wouldn't have done it.

Might I ask why you don't sleep around? Also, even if you were in a committed relationship, you could still go have sex on a bus if you truly thought that context doesn't matter in sexual relationships.

You can ask but I can choose not to answer.


You've really gotta start backing these claims up with something.

My experience is more proof than I could ever need. Catholic upbringing was enough for me, thanks.


Anti-sex as in "sex is evil" or anti-sex as in "sex should only be enjoyed in a committed, married, monogamous relationship"?

All of the above and others not listed.

There's a large difference between these two definitions of "anti-sex". I agree with you that Christian ideology is "prudish" by society's standards and "anti-sex" as per my second definition. But Jesus never came to align himself with society's whims anyway :thumbsup:

There are a wide variety of theories of why Christ came.




Anywhere from 20 to 26. I also have a few Christian friends who are no longer virgins because they got married but they were virgins prior to marriage. Also all these married friends LOVE sex and, there are certainly no "sexual repression", "shame" or "evil" connotations with regard to their sexual relationships. Yay sex!

How do you know? People do lie and it's not like bragging about one's v-card is a positive statement, even amongst fundamentalist xtians.

They sound like the very image of the protestant fundamentalist evangelical. Pick and choose which bible passages to follow and which to ignore. I was like that myself once upon a time...
 
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You can ask but I can choose not to answer.

Fair enough. I just find it strange that you don't take sex lightly either.

My experience is more proof than I could ever need. Catholic upbringing was enough for me, thanks.

If you're not looking to learn and grow then why are you in this forum and why does your name have "seeking" in it? Statements such as this make it look like you've already made up your mind and have no interest in learning or breaking down your personal biases.

I was also raised Catholic...kind of. But with some big Eastern philosophical influences too. :thumbsup:

All of the above and others not listed.

But the two definitions I gave were contradictory :confused:. One definition was that "sex is evil" and the other was that "sex should be enjoyed in certain contexts (i.e. marriage)." If something is evil then no one is going to then turn around and say that it should also be enjoyed. The two definitions I gave are mutually exclusive.

Do you believe that sex should only be enjoyed in certain contexts? If so, which ones?

There are a wide variety of theories of why Christ came.

K...so?

How do you know? People do lie and it's not like bragging about one's v-card is a positive statement, even amongst fundamentalist xtians.

They sound like the very image of the protestant fundamentalist evangelical. Pick and choose which bible passages to follow and which to ignore. I was like that myself once upon a time...

Do you believe that you have a bias? Do you think that your bias has lead you to make any kind of unfounded assumptions in the above quote?

I know purely because they're my friends, they've told me, and I trust them. Because that's what friends do: trust each other. They're not "bragging" about their v-card; they've told me in one-on-one situations where trust is important and valued.

I've enjoyed our discussion. Not sure what kind of music you're into, but check out this song: Nada Surf
 
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Large families are a Catholic reality (not stereotype) since the pope condemns masturbation and birth control.

BWAAAAA HAHAHAAHAAAHAHAHA!!!

Honestly, you need to spend some time studying Catholic theology for real.

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We live in a society saturated with sexual innuendo, visual images, etc., and we become immune to all of this and think if someone doesn't want to marry someone and wants to be celebate or if people even in marriage practice marital relations in the proper way, they are considered nuts. This is the state of the world. Here is some info from the Orthodox POV:

Sex, or sexual relations, includes not only sexual intercourse, but also other sexual activity, even to the extent of hand-holding or kissing. In order to understand this, sex must be understood not only as a matter for the body, but also as a matter for the mind.

God created mankind with a sexual appetite. "[A] man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24). In its proper context of marriage, sex can be a good thing.

"Sexual relations within marriage are holy and blessed by God. Saint Gregory the Theologian says: 'Are you not yet married in the flesh? Do not fear this consecration; you are pure even after marriage' (Oration on Holy Baptism, quoted by George Gabriel, You May Call My Words Immodest, p. 3). The sexual union of man and woman in Christian marriage is sanctified, set apart, hallowed, sacred, holy. And it is good. At the same time—and I cannot emphasize this point strongly enough—the Church teaches us clearly that sex is not the essence of Christian marriage."[1]

Sex provides an opportunity for a married couple to become intimate with one another.

"The goal of sex in marriage is spiritual union. Through the joining of two physical bodies in marital love comes a unique oneness of soul. Saint John Chrysostom instructs us: 'Their intercourse accomplishes the joining of their bodies, and they are made one, just as when perfume is mixed with ointment" (12th Homily on Colossians).[2]

"Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband" (I Cor. 7:3).
"Sexual relations provide an opportunity for the development of a spirit of martyrdom. This is the type of martyrdom that exhibits self-denial and submission to the other."[3]

It is also important when speaking about sexual relations among spouses to speak about the product of this conjugal union. The creation of progeny is a natural consequence of marriage. There is a direct link between marital relations and childbearing. Procreation is the fruit of the union of marriage and an expression of man's participation in God's creative work. St. John Chrysostom, in reference to the mystery of the conjugal union, says:

"And how become they one flesh? As if you should take the purest part of gold, and mingle it with the other gold; so in truth here also the women as it were receiving the richest part fused by pleasure, nourishes it and cherishes it, and throughout contributing her own share, restores it back to the man. And the child is a sort of bridge so that the three become on flesh, the child connecting, on either side, each to each… What then? When there is not child, will they not be two? Not so, for their coming together has this effect; it diffuse and commingles the bodies of both. And as one who has poured ointment into oil has made the whole one; so in truth is it also here" (St. John Chrysostom, On Marriage and Family Life).

St. John Chrysostom also says, "He created one from one, and again these two he makes one and thus He makes one; so that even now man is born from one. For a woman and a man are not two but one man" (St. John Chrysostom, On Marriage and Family Life). With this great gift of childbearing, man becomes the donor of life. St. Clement of Alexandria describes the progeny of man as "man's creation in God's image."

In the Old Testament, sex for the purpose of procreation was emphasized, as children were evidence of God's blessing on a marriage. However, procreation is not the reason for marriage. "Procreation is not the only purpose of sex in marriage, but sex and procreation go hand in hand."[4]

"Saint John Chrysostom writes: 'If for a certain period, you and your wife have abstained by agreement, perhaps for a time of prayer and fasting, come together again for the sake of your marriage. You do not need procreation as an excuse. It is not the chief reason for marriage. Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want' (On Virginity, quoted by [George] Gabriel, [You Call My Words Immodest], p. 3)."[5]

Unmarried people should be celibate, that is, refrain from sexual activity. Those who have taken monastic vows, or who have been ordained and are not married (either unmarried or widowed), are held to follow a celibate life.

Some of the Church teachings say that celibacy is better than marriage, while others hold them more equally. "One of the paradoxes of Christian ethics is that marriage and celibacy, if they presuppose different practical behaviors, are based on the same theology of the Kingdom of God and, therefore, on the same spirituality."[14]

St. Paul indicated his preference for celibacy: "It is good for a man not to touch a woman. ... For I wish that all men were even as I am myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am" (I Cor. 7:1,7-8).

The goal of celibacy is not just to remain free of carnal pleasure, but to emancipate a believer from secular cares and orient the person towards God.

"oth marriage and celibacy are ways of living the Gospel, anticipating the Kingdom, which was already revealed in Christ and must appear in strength at the last day. It is, therefore, only a marriage 'in Christ' sealed by the Eucharist, and celibacy 'in the name of Christ,' which carry this 'eschatological' Christian meaning—not marriage concluded casually, as a contract, or as a satisfaction for the flesh, and not celibacy accepted by inertia, or worse, by egotism and self-protective irresponsibility."[15]

Just as with other desires of the flesh, the temptation to sin sexually often presents itself. In these cases, the mind must instruct the body as to the right course. "Do not follow your lusts, restrain your desires. If you allow yourself to satisfy your desires, this will make you the laughing-stock of your enemies" (Sirach 18:30-31).

Orthodox tradition urges believers to resist not only sexual transgressions, but even thoughts of sexual transgressions. As Christ says, "If a man looks at a woman with lust, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matt. 5:27). Some critics hold this to be an impossible standard, for who can purge his heart of illicit sexual thoughts? Others (including many monastics) insist that such a purge is in fact possible, though difficult.

Not only should one avoid yielding to temptation, but one should also take care not to offer temptation to others. "A wink of the eye, and a man makes trouble; a bold rebuke, and a man makes peace" (Prov. 10:10).

King David allowed his desires to get the better of him when he desired Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah. After Bathsheba refused David's advances, David sent Uriah into battle, so that he would be killed. When the Prophet Nathan advised David that his actions were displeasing to God, David repented, confessing his sin (2 Sam. 11:12).

Monastic rules often include injunctions to fight against sexual temptation.

Sex - OrthodoxWiki

Being a true Orthodox Christian takes courage, endurance, patience, and sincere commitment. to reach the ultimate goal - true and complete union with God through love of the Trinity and our neighbor.
 
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But why is sex evil?

Is eating evil?

I suggest you try not eating for a few weeks then get back to me. Let me know how that works out for you.

Has anyone read the posts before this response?

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS (Friendly neighborhood PSA)
 
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I am going to attempt to put in a couple of points here, in the "FIRING LINE" and No I haven't read ALL the posts just a couple.
You see Christians are and CAN BE Prudes.
Here's why-
1 Corinthians 6:18 Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

We need to honor God, with our bodies, everything that goes into them, even food, the things we watch on TV, songs we listen to, clothes we wear. Everything we do with our bodies must Honor God.We honor God by covering ourselves, by not discussing sexual exploits etc. WHY? Because if we don't it's US GOD JUDGES.
1 Corinthians 6:13 ....But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies.
And if we cause someone else to sin
Romans 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else if it might cause another believer to stumble. 22 You may believe there’s nothing wrong with what you are doing, but keep it between yourself and God. Blessed are those who don’t feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right. 23 But if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.

No, sex is not evil, infact God created it. It is for a married couple. Why, because that is how God Designed it. For a man to complete a woman and woman to complete a man. A man NEEDS sex, WHY? that's how God "WIRED" him, it is the Acceptance every man needs, like women NEED Security.

The word of God is the same yesterday, today and tommorrow. Everything in it, relates to previous generations US and the next generations. You just have to learn to apply it. Its pure BLACK AND WHITE. You can judge people on their beliefs but as the bible says "the measure you use will be used to measure you!!"
SO GOD BLESS
PEACE :wave:
 
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BWAAAAA HAHAHAAHAAAHAHAHA!!!

Honestly, you need to spend some time studying Catholic theology for real.

*chilehed walks off shaking his head....*

Bahaha.

Have you read the sexist, misogynist, anti-sexual ravings of Jerome or Augustine? lol

Get with it, my friend.

BTW, I was raised Catholic so I know all about the evils of sex and the human body. Save it.

Letter 123. To Ageruchia, §4. (An appeal to this widow not to marry again) “Lastly, that Paul may compress into a few words all the reasons for such marriages, he shews the motive of his command by saying: "for some are already turned aside after Satan." Thus he allows to the incontinent a second marriage, or in case of need a third, simply that he may rescue them from Satan, preferring that a woman should be joined to the worst of husbands rather than to the devil.To the Corinthians he uses somewhat similar language: "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." Why, O apostle, is it better to marry? He answers immediately: because it is worse to burn.”
 
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Corruption attaches to all sexual intercourse, even in a legitimate marriage

Against Jovinianus, Book 1, §37.“If the wisdom of the flesh is enmity against God, and they who are in the flesh cannot please God, I think that they who perform the functions of marriage love the wisdom of the flesh, and therefore are in the flesh. The Apostle being desirous to withdraw us from the flesh and to join us to the Spirit, says afterwards: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think according to chastity" (not soberly as the Latin versions badly render), but "think," he says, "according to chastity". Let us consider what the Apostle says: "Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." What he says is something like this-God indeed permits marriage, He permits second marriages, and if necessary, prefers even third marriages to fornication and adultery. But we who ought to present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is our reasonable service, should consider, not what God permits, but what He wishes: that we may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. It follows that what He merely permits is neither good, nor acceptable, nor perfect. And he gives his reasons for this advice: "Knowing the season, that now it is high time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed. The night is far spent, and the day is at hand." And lastly: "Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." God's will is one thing, His indulgence another. Whence, writing to the Corinthians, he says, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal." He who is in the merely animal state, and does not receive the things pertaining to the Spirit of God (for he is foolish, and cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned), he is not fed with the food of perfect chastity, but with the coarse milk of marriage. As through man came death, so also through man came the resurrection of the dead. As in Adam we all die, so in Christ we shall all be made alive. Under the law we served the old Adam, under the Gospel let us serve the new Adam. For the first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." This is so clear that no explanation can make it clearer: "Flesh and blood," he says, "cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." If corruption attaches to all intercourse, and incorruption is characteristic of chastity, the rewards of chastity cannot belong to marriage. . . . And by way of more fully explaining what the Apostle did not wish them to be he says elsewhere: "I espoused you to one husband, that I might present you as a pure virgin to Christ." But if you choose to apply the words to the whole Assembly of believers, and in this betrothal to Christ include both married women, and the twice-married, and widows, and virgins, that also makes for us. For whilst he invites all to chastity and to the reward of virginity, he shows that virginity is more excellent than all these conditions.”
 
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Bahaha.

Have you read the sexist, misogynist, anti-sexual ravings of Jerome or Augustine? lol

Get with it, my friend.

No question. The tendency exists. I think it's an abuse of the OT and Jesus' intentions, but this isn't the only case where traditions developed that are contrary to Jesus.
 
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