Homosexual Churches

i think you are beign ignorant why cant they its liek saying becauce your a gangster means you cant love god because u kill a lot.....killing and being gay is a sin btu in gods eyes there is nto oen bigger sin than any other so if they can ask for forgivness why cant gay's?

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I do not understand this line of thinking either. Sure we all sin, but we ask forgiveness for our sins as well, and admit that whatever we did was wrong. So here lies the differance: The homosexuals are PROUD of their sin, that is not right. If I were to sleep with a man (a sin) and then repent, it would be a wrongdoing like all sins. But if I were to sleep with a man and say, I think I'll keep doing this, I will not repent, this is OK even though it is not Ok in Gods eyes. That would be wrong, what we call living a sin.

Screamin-GOD-Till-I-Die, can you see how it is different? I am not saying we should threat them badly, we should show them christian love and pray for them. But preaching that your sin is not wrong, that is not acceptable.

God does love all men - including gays and gangsters and believe it or not - WOMAN TOO!!

HOWEVER - the scriptures are clear that HOMOSEXUAL sex is an abhoration and a sin.

Men is good at deceiving himself. We do it all the time. Look at those who deceive themselves into believing that there is no God - or those who deceive themselves into believing that one "race" is superior to another. *sigh* If they are ignorant of the truth truly in thier hearts, we have to trust them God's mercy and judgement. IF they are attempting with full knowledge that they are wrong - to deceive others - that is another story. We have no right to condemn them, but we have a duty to speak the truth to them in love. REMEMBER IN LOVE!!

Originally posted by Br. Max
Men is good at deceiving himself. We do it all the time. Look at those who deceive themselves into believing that there is no God - or those who deceive themselves into believing that one "race" is superior to another. *sigh* If they are ignorant of the truth truly in thier hearts, we have to trust them God's mercy and judgement. IF they are attempting with full knowledge that they are wrong - to deceive others - that is another story. We have no right to condemn them, but we have a duty to speak the truth to them in love. REMEMBER IN LOVE!!

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Yea I think it's good they seek... it's a real good sign even I wish my lesbian sister would... it's when they want to tell me God condones their behavior I get a little edgy... maybe it's another god then I figure because it's obviously not the same one whose word I read..... at that point maybe they just like to wear a christian hat for some reason or another... then again as time goes by you never do know how God will work with them...

I pray for them I really do. It's kind of one instance where you can say for sure, these people are deceived... but I was once too and He walked me through it sooo.... it's the heart that matters.

Originally posted by fisherma
There is a church near my house that holds around 50 people who profess to be "gay Christians". I went in one day for 5 minutes just to see if it were true or not and what I saw were a bunch of men sitting together! There were only a few women. I took some of their pamplets and one of them was saying something about how gays should be accepted in churches and god loves them.

My concern is.. how can such a church even exist! My soul is grieved knowing that these people can actually praise God with their lifestylye the way it is.

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Hey but whats worse is when they put a sign out front that indicates christian church, then a nice family goes in and gets all the wrong teaching... but I leave this one to God His eyes are a lot bigger than mine...

fisherma, i think you need to clarify if the church supports gayism. ie it says that gay activities are not sinful but acceptable to God.

The church shld accept sinners into their doors, so that they can hear abt the love of God and be saved and transformed, and have the grace to change by the power of the Holy Spirit in them.

OK, but here's the question -- let's assume that these people are proud of their "sin" and are unrepentant. Where do you think they will be more likely to eventually come to repentance? Going to church every week, or not because the Christians there told them they were not welcome?

-Chris

Originally posted by fisherma

My concern is.. how can such a church even exist! My soul is grieved knowing that these people can actually praise God with their lifestylye the way it is.

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Yes. My soul is grieved knowing that anyone could ever object to God being praised. Did you even read what you wrote there? How can sincere praise to God be anything but good?

God loves us all, and if He can put up with me and my sins, I can see no reason for which He can't love a gay guy.

I think fisherma is refering to "gay churches" ie the pastors and all are gay and believe and preach that its not a sin to do what gays do. ie man-man/woman-woman sex is not a sin and perfectly natural and acceptable to God. I've heard churches like that in the US are sprouting up.

This is totally different from a gay stumbling into a church where he is accepted and loved unto repentence. In the first case, they dont believe there is any need to repent becos they dont believe (and can support with scriputres) its a sin.

Originally posted by Andrew
I think fisherma is refering to "gay churches" ie the pastors and all are gay and believe and preach that its not a sin to do what gays do. ie man-man/woman-woman sex is not a sin and perfectly natural and acceptable to God. I've heard churches like that in the US are sprouting up.

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I've heard of no such thing. I know many denominations agree that gays are fine, but I've never heard of an all-gay church.

This is totally different from a gay stumbling into a church where he is accepted and loved unto repentence. In the first case, they dont believe there is any need to repent becos they dont believe (and can support with scriputres) its a sin.

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Right. Sort of like most people today don't think a mixed-race marriage is a sin, but a hundred years ago, we would have been treated about the way people today are treating denominations that accept gays.

I still find it terrifying to imagine that anyone would ever object to God being praised.

Well Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments. If I am cheating on my wife and and been told it's wrong according to Gods word and shown, and do not change I do not love Jesus. Jesus said I would rather you be hot or cold if you are worm I will spit you out of my mouth. It's so sad that people think they can live in sin and still make it to heaven. God loves everyone no matter what the sin. But don't be decived Jesus is comming back for a church with out one spot. Maybe I'm just preaching to myself

Where, besides the misuderstood book of Revelation, do you find God holding His children in His mouth? This verse and this concept is overused.

Is this a Metropolitan Community Church? I found their statement of faith online, and except for accepting homosexuality as normal, their beliefs are very fundamental.

I've heard of no such thing. I know many denominations agree that gays are fine, but I've never heard of an all-gay church.

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r u so naive? Here's one example. read one of their sermons, she basically preaches that its ok to be gay and Christian at the same time. I think she is for ordination of gay pastors/preachers too.

http://www.jesusmcc.org/about_us/about_us.html

you canprob find more egs yourself from the Net.

one of the main arguments of gay preachers is that they say that when Paul condemned unnatural sex, it was condemned as unnatural so long as that is not your "natural inclination".

IOW if you are male and naturally inclined to be attracted to a woman, then having sex with a man is unnatural and condemned in the Bible.

However, if you are male and naturally inclined to be attracted to another male, then having sex with another man is "natural" and not a sin. But having sex with a woman wld be sinful!

Originally posted by seebs
I've heard of no such thing. I know many denominations agree that gays are fine, but I've never heard of an all-gay church.

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The Metropolitan Community Church, started by a Methodist (I think) minister who was kicked out because he was gay, is predominantly gay.

To God, homosexual is no worse than a liar. A sin is a sin.
Who are we to judge these people. If they TRULY seek God, they will find Him. He will show them the Truth and they have a choice to follow it, or not.

That church needs to learn what "repent" means... also that type of stuff is strictly forbidden for the church Acts 15 (I think 15 there's a letter in that chapter somewhere or a chapter around it lol)

I think that many people in here are doing something that is a logical fallacy... "well I commit ___ sin and I worship God so I guess it's okay if they do ____ and worship Him too..." what you fail to bring up is that...

There shouldn't be homosexuals or liars or ANY sin in the church at all!! Now can we get it that way... probably not, but that's what it is supposed to be. Maybe the plank in the eye thing comes into play here... I don't know for sure... But I know this: homosexuality is a sin. REGARDLESS of what church is gay, or what sin another church commits, homosexuality is wrong and should not be there.

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16
There shouldn't be homosexuals or liars or ANY sin in the church at all!! [/B]

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"On hearing this, Jesus said to them, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'"

-Chris