PLO Disvows West Bank & Gaza Strip

Dale · Jan 10, 2012

As everyone knows, Jordan ruled the West Bank for 19 years between 1948 and the 1967 war. Egypt ruled the Gaza Strip during the same period.

For years the terrorist Yassir Arafat was the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the PLO. In 1964, the PLO adopted a charter, titled the Palestine National Charter of 1964. According to the 1964 Charter, the League of Nations Mandate and the Partitioning of Israel are void. This is certainly interesting because the same partition that created Israel also created Jordan, or Transjordan as it was called at the time.

Article 24 of the 1964 Charter specifically disavows any Palestinian claim to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.

This information is from the website of the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations.

Link:
Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations - Palestine National Charter of 1964

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PHenry42 · Jan 13, 2012

Relevance? Because I'm sure you must think it has some, for if you just posted it out of its value as a historical curiosity, then it'd surely go in the history subforum.

Incariol · Jan 13, 2012

Dale said:
As everyone knows, Jordan ruled the West Bank for 19 years between 1948 and the 1967 war. Egypt ruled the Gaza Strip during the same period.

For years the terrorist Yassir Arafat was the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the PLO. In 1964, the PLO adopted a charter, titled the Palestine National Charter of 1964. According to the 1964 Charter, the League of Nations Mandate and the Partitioning of Israel are void. This is certainly interesting because the same partition that created Israel also created Jordan, or Transjordan as it was called at the time.

Article 24 of the 1964 Charter specifically disavows any Palestinian claim to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.

This information is from the website of the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations.

Link:
Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations - Palestine National Charter of 1964

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Dale · Jan 18, 2012

PHenry42 said:
Relevance? Because I'm sure you must think it has some, for if you just posted it out of its value as a historical curiosity, then it'd surely go in the history subforum.

The PLO disavowed any interest in owning or governing the West Bank, and the same goes for the Gaza Strip. The PLO Charter disavows the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Their Charter says the West Bank is part of Jordan. They've never even bothered to amend their Charter.

Based on this, the PLO has no right to claim the West Bank and they should give it up.

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Chris81 · Jan 18, 2012

Dale said:
The PLO disavowed any interest in owning or governing the West Bank, and the same goes for the Gaza Strip. The PLO Charter disavows the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Their Charter says the West Bank is part of Jordan. They've never even bothered to amend their Charter.

Based on this, the PLO has no right to claim the West Bank and they should give it up.

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So Israel should give the West Bank to Jordan. Alright, I doubt Jordan would turn down that offer!

Dale · Jan 20, 2012

Chris81 said:
So Israel should give the West Bank to Jordan. Alright, I doubt Jordan would turn down that offer!

I said nothing of the sort.

Israel was in a very precarious situation when Jordan ruled the West Bank and half of Jerusalem. In those day, the Israeli Knesset met within firing range of enemy artillery.

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Chris81 · Jan 20, 2012

Dale said:
I said nothing of the sort.

Israel was in a very precarious situation when Jordan ruled the West Bank and half of Jerusalem. In those day, the Israeli Knesset met within firing range of enemy artillery.

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You just said that the PLO charter promotes the West bank being returned to Jordan. I think it is a great idea. I think the palestinians would get along better under the rule of the Jordanians. Israel would also likely have greater chances of peace with Jordan as their neighbor rather than the failed semi-State that exists in the West Bank territory today.

Chris81 · Jan 20, 2012

This article sums up my sentiment about the whole deal:

Jordan wants West Bank? Dude, Yes! Take it!

Following the 1967 war, Israel tried to give the West Bank back to Jordan (from whom it had been captured) but Jordan refused to take it. Jordan did allow West Bank residents to maintain their Jordanian citizenship all the way to 1987 when, fearful they really would get the West Bank back (and given the PLO had tried to overthrow Jordan one can understand the reluctance) they stripped all those West Bank Jordanian citizens of their citizenship.

A large swatch of Palestinians in the West Bank want to become part of Jordan again. (Ill try to find the links and add them from posts I did on the PA delegates that went to plead with Jordan to allow the W.B. to reunite a couple of years ago and so forth). We would be seriously thrilled if the West Bank became part of Jordan. Jordan has become a very nice neighbour to have on ones border and we have a warm peace with Jordan with good trade agreements and economic benefit on both sides. It would be in Jordans interest to put a stopper on any terrorist attacks coming out of the W.B. and so our borders would have good security without our needing to deal with all that fuss.

Jordan has long staunchly said, in essence, hell no (subtext: we arent that crazy and having 80% of our population being Palestinian is enough given that we are ruled by the non-Palestinian Hashemite privileged and tiny minority, thanks to the U.K. back when the country was established just a couple years before Israel was established).

But, BUT, now today Taher al-Masri, head of the countrys senate, spoke of the state of two united banks and referred directly to the idea of unifying again the two united banks, with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan emerging on both banks of the holy river.

This is a rare and surprising statement, which could be interpreted as granting legitimization to the viewpoint that the Palestinian residents of the West Bank are part of the Hashemite Kingdom. I like this interpretation. Dude, yes, take it. Take it back! We dont want it. The Palestinians cant manage it. Take the darn thing off everyones hands!

ViaCrucis · Jan 20, 2012

Dale said:
As everyone knows, Jordan ruled the West Bank for 19 years between 1948 and the 1967 war. Egypt ruled the Gaza Strip during the same period.

For years the terrorist Yassir Arafat was the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the PLO. In 1964, the PLO adopted a charter, titled the Palestine National Charter of 1964. According to the 1964 Charter, the League of Nations Mandate and the Partitioning of Israel are void. This is certainly interesting because the same partition that created Israel also created Jordan, or Transjordan as it was called at the time.

Article 24 of the 1964 Charter specifically disavows any Palestinian claim to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.

This information is from the website of the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations.

Link:
Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations - Palestine National Charter of 1964

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Oh I see, you think the PLO = the Palestinian people.

I could see why you think it might be relevant with that sort of confusion going on.

-CryptoLutheran

Dale · Jan 20, 2012

ViaCrucis said:
Oh I see, you think the PLO = the Palestinian people.

I could see why you think it might be relevant with that sort of confusion going on.

-CryptoLutheran

Do you think the Palestinians should start by disavowing the PLO? And Hamas also?

That's an idea.

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Dale · Jan 20, 2012

Chris81 said:
This article sums up my sentiment about the whole deal:

Jordan wants West Bank? Dude, Yes! Take it!

You don't say where that comment comes from, since you quoted it from somewhere.

It is true that Jordan has worked out a de facto peace with Israel. I'm told that there seems to be more trade between Israel and Jordan than Israel and Egypt.

Even so, Jordan still has its quirks. I saw a talk by an Episcopal minister who had visited Israel and Jordan. He said that the Jordanians use maps that don't show Israel. There's just a huge blank spot or an unlabeled territory where Israel would be. I can't help thinking that the Jordanian Army must have real maps that show where Israel is, whatever civilians use.

The PLO was in Jordan in the 1970's but they created a great deal of trouble. The King of Jordan found it necessary to throw them out. That is, he had the Jordanian Army throw them out.

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Chris81 · Jan 21, 2012

Dale said:
You don't say where that comment comes from, since you quoted it from somewhere.

Just click on the title, it is the link to article I posted.

It is true that Jordan has worked out a de facto peace with Israel. I'm told that there seems to be more trade between Israel and Jordan than Israel and Egypt.

Even so, Jordan still has its quirks. I saw a talk by an Episcopal minister who had visited Israel and Jordan. He said that the Jordanians use maps that don't show Israel. There's just a huge blank spot or an unlabeled territory where Israel would be. I can't help thinking that the Jordanian Army must have real maps that show where Israel is, whatever civilians use.

I don't doubt that there are many people within Jordan who have less than a favorable view of Israel. However, Israel has established good peaceful relations with Jordan and I believe a Jordanian governed West Bank would be a vast improvement over a potential Hamas governed West Bank.

The PLO was in Jordan in the 1970's but they created a great deal of trouble. The King of Jordan found it necessary to throw them out. That is, he had the Jordanian Army throw them out.

No doubt that Jordan may have no interest at all with governing the West Bank given their history with the Palestinians. Who knows, as they say time heals all wounds.

Dale · Jan 21, 2012

In the 1980's, Atlantic Monthly ran a lengthy and prominent article on the status of the West Bank. The article claimed that there was a way that Israel and Jordan could share sovereignty over the West Bank, with neither side admitting defeat.

I'm not sure how that would work out in practice.

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Touma · Jan 21, 2012

ViaCrucis said:
Oh I see, you think the PLO = the Palestinian people.

I could see why you think it might be relevant with that sort of confusion going on.

-CryptoLutheran

This ^^

ViaCrucis · Jan 22, 2012

Dale said:
Do you think the Palestinians should start by disavowing the PLO? And Hamas also?

That's an idea.

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I think it should start by recognizing the Palestinian people as people worthy of respect and not try and degrade and dehumanize them.

That's an idea.

-CryptoLutheran

Dale · Jan 27, 2012

Article 18 of the Palestine National Charter, the Charter of the PLO:

Article 18: The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate System, and all that has been based on them are considered null and void. The claims of historic and spiritual ties between Jews and Palestine are not in agreement with the facts of history or with the true basis of sound statehood. Judaism, because it is a divine religion, is not a nationality with independent existence. Furthermore, the Jews are not one people with an independent personality because they are citizens to their states.

This section denies any connection between Jews and Israel/Palestine. By implication, it denies the existence of a Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It also denies that the Jews are a people, saying that they are “not a nationality with independent existence.”

This is a whole series of claims that are factually preposterous, even unworthy of consideration.

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Dale · Jan 27, 2012

Article 19 of the same Charter defines Zionism as racist and fascist, as well as a form of colonialism.

Article 19: Zionism is a colonialist movement in its inception, aggressive and expansionist in its goal, racist in its configurations, and fascist in its means and aims. Israel, in its capacity as the spearhead of this destructive movement and as the pillar of colonialism, is a permanent source of tension and turmoil in the Middle East, in particular, and to the international community in general. Because of this, the people of Palestine are worthy of the support and sustenance of the community of nations.

Let me attempt a reply to the notion that Zionism is racist or otherwise illegitimate. There are a number of Roman Catholic countries in the world and a number of Protestant countries. There are a number of Moslem countries. Why is it so outrageous that there would be one Jewish country? This is an especially good question when you look at the hostility and persecution that Jews have endured.

This Article defines Zionism as expansionist. Yet the PLO Charter was written before the 1967 war, the only war where Israel wound up with more territory than it started with. Since then, Israel has withdrawn from the Sinai, giving up a vast amount of territory. How is this expansionist? It doesn't make sense.

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Dale · Jan 27, 2012

See also my thread on the History subforum:

Palestine: Jews Not Allowed To Own Land Before 1873

Link:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7625946/

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