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Have you considered my synthesis of the seven spirits that the Christians complain about as evil influences in the world and the seven Freudian/Jungian Acrchetypes which indwell us all as Subconscious immaterial mental motivators of our behavior.


Dunno About that.

One thing's for sure, you can't just throw Freud and Jung's work together. It makes whatever you're going for pretty confusing. By Libido, are you going by Freud's description or Jung's? Probably best to not confuse the two.

The whole "archetypes" thing is all wrong too. Part of these labels describe the psychic apparatus that forms a single Self. Then you've got some stuff that isn't even categorically related to the functions of Freud's apparatus. I'm not sure why you've even attached Freud or Jung's name to this. You're using their terminology, but you aren't really describing or expanding on anything they proposed.

It just doesn't work.

Also, Freud would probably throw a hammer at you if he saw you associating the word "Subconscious" with his work.

And the menorah is weird. It's completely inappropriate and unrelated. Mentioning Islam, too. Then the Lucifer, devil, mammon stuff just looks redundant.

I just see a lot of disorganization and uncollected thought here. I don't see any synthesis at all.
 
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In mainstream Judaism there is no concept of a devil like in so-called mainstream Christianity or Islam. In Hebrew, the biblical word ha-satan means "the adversary" or the obstacle, or even "the prosecutor" (recognizing that God is viewed as the ultimate Judge).

Much "Satanic" lore does not originate from actual Satanists, but from so-called Christians. Best-known would be the medieval folklore and theology surrounding demons and witches.
Jeffrey Burton Russell, Lucifer, the Devil in the Middle Ages (Cornell University Press, 1986), p. 128

The word “theós” also denotes the heathen gods or idols (Acts 14:11; 1 Cor. 8:5); magistrates (John 10:34, 35); by false application to Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4)
"The Origin of the English Word for God," Part One Craig Bluemel

2 Cor 4:4 But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients. (Wakefield, Adam Clarke Commentary)


Yes, it is true that Judaism does not enumerate the seven evil spirits Freud/Jung described.
Satan is specifically mentioned in Job, and some believe Lucifer can be derived from Dan 14, as most every bibles today will attest to.

The concept of an evil self centeredness is the meaning of HaSatan, a collective and general reference to these same seven, IMO.

But when Jesus appears, the gospels reveal the Truth of these separate independent evil aspects of our natural psychic (soul in the English Bibles).

You must admit that Mammon is specifically pointed out as one which men are not to serve, and that our Self, our Reality Principle, Beelzebub, is the "king" over the rest of them, which inherently supports the seven as members of his kingdom.
 
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Dunno About that.

One thing's for sure, you can't just throw Freud and Jung's work together. It makes whatever you're going for pretty confusing. By Libido, are you going by Freud's description or Jung's? Probably best to not confuse the two.


It is fine to attack modern psychology and pretend, that ignoring that whole discipline, negates any reasonable hypothesis: that modern ideas about Human Behavior are analogous to the idea of seven evil psychic inputs as described in the Bible.

But we still, in the end, agree.

The secular community equates our Human Behavior to these seven concepts, while you bible peple know them full well by the ancient names found in the Gospels.

Point:
Either way, man is ifluenced by seven (1) desires, (2) urges, (3) demands, (4) impluses, (5) needs, (6) wants, (7) Drives.

All of which both psychology and scripture warn must be under our control by good Conscience.
 
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What would Jesus say about it? Oh, wait He did. (...)Lead us not into temptation...
Who is to lead us into temptation in this context?


The same one who is our shepherd:

1 The LORD (Truth), is my shepherd; I shall not want.[/

2 He, (Truth), maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he, (Truth), leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He, Truth), restoreth my soul: he, (Truth), leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake, (Truth

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, (i.e.; Reality), I will fear no evil: for thou, (Truth), art with me; thy rod (The New Testament) and thy staff (The Old Testament), they comfort me: John 15:26]

5 Thou, (Reality as the facts of life present themselves), preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil, (holy oil of Truth); my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD, (the ideal of Truth) for ever


John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, (i.e.; The New Testament), whom I will send unto you from the Father,… even the Spirit of truth,… which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

"I am the Truth, and the way, and the life"...
 
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It is fine to attack modern psychology and pretend, that ignoring that whole discipline, negates any reasonable hypothesis: that modern ideas about Human Behavior are analogous to the idea of seven evil psychic inputs as described in the Bible.

But we still, in the end, agree.

The secular community equates our Human Behavior to these seven concepts, while you bible peple know them full well by the ancient names found in the Gospels.

Point:
Either way, man is ifluenced by seven (1) desires, (2) urges, (3) demands, (4) impluses, (5) needs, (6) wants, (7) Drives.

All of which both psychology and scripture warn must be under our control by good Conscience.

Who's attacking psychology? btw, I wouldn't call Freudian concepts "modern."

I'm not aware that there is any place in the secular community that does equate human behavior to those seven concepts, though. I don't think that claim is right at all.

I don't agree that psychology warns against 7 influences, either. Where did you go to school?
 
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Who's attacking psychology? btw, I wouldn't call Freudian concepts "modern."

I'm not aware that there is any place in the secular community that does equate human behavior to those seven concepts, though. I don't think that claim is right at all.

I don't agree that psychology warns against 7 influences, either. Where did you go to school?


eHarmony uses the very modern and popular Psychological Test called Myers/Briggs.

It is developed by the use of the archetypes which are symbolized by the code of letters, I, E, S, N, T, F, J, P.

Interestingly, we all can be defines with four of these letters, a special combination of the four for each of use.
It reminds us of YHVH, the monogram of four letters used for God.

It is on line and you can even take it yourself.

It is the meaning of the secret name believers can receive on a white "stone" meaning paper today, (if they believe in the seven spirits before goGod). [Rev 2:



17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
 
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Can't really agree with that either. For one, there are 8 letter codes, not 7. There has to be an even number to get the dichotomies and 16 possible personality types. So I don't know where you are getting the 7 from.

And I think your idea that scripture says eHarmony hands out secret names through Meyers-Briggs is a little crazy.
 
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Can't really agree with that either. For one, there are 8 letter codes, not 7. There has to be an even number to get the dichotomies and 16 possible personality types. So I don't know where you are getting the 7 from.

And I think your idea that scripture says eHarmony hands out secret names through Meyers-Briggs is a little crazy.
You are off topic according to this rules of this forum.
This discussion is about The Devil Made Me Do IT not letter codes.
 
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NO. God created mankind. Mankind created Satan. Satan is a false god and he has no power except the power we give him. He is IMAGinary.


"Devil, in later Hebrew and in Christian belief, the supreme spirit of evil, who for immeasurable time has ruled over a kingdom of evil spirits and is in constant opposition to God...


Very informative. I had also noticed that the notion of Satan (and angels and demons generally) was mostly popping up around the time of Persian occupation, did not know why.
 
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NO. God created mankind. Mankind created Satan. Satan is a false god and he has no power except the power we give him. He is IMAGinary.


"Devil, in later Hebrew and in Christian belief, the supreme spirit of evil, who for immeasurable time has ruled over a kingdom of evil spirits and is in constant opposition to God...

Very informative. I had also noticed that the notion of Satan (and angels and demons generally) was mostly popping up around the time of Persian occupation, did not know why.
:amen:Amen! That is why it says:
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of a devil;

Seducing (πλάνοις)
Primarily, wandering, roving. Ὁ πλάνος a vagabond, hence deceiver or seducer. See 2Jo_1:7, and comp. ὁ πλανῶν the deceiver

(διδασκαλίαις δαιμονίων)
Comp. Jam_1:14, 3:15.

1Co 10:21
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

A particular form of false teaching of a devil who opposes our God and supplants the idea that God does not control everything.
 
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Do you believe in demons/satan and devils or NOT?

Is there an actual living creature that snubs God and is not subject to the wages of sin, who has lived for 6000 years?

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Read ''Give The Devil His Due''

Give The Devil His Due



The Temptation of Eve and Jesus



It is assumed that just because the words "Satan" and "Devil" are incorporated into the Masoretic text, that proves the existence of a literal supernatural being. However, if we probe a little deeper into Scripture to see who or what is the principle of temptation in the case of both Jesus and Eve, we will discover something that cannot be easily dismissed or passed off as mere coincidence. To understand what tempts man, we must search scripture for an answer (to see whether it is a personification of evil called "Satan" or something else). I believe the answer is found in I John 2:16 which says, "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." The "Satan" or "Devil" is not mentioned as having anything to do with "All that is in the world." What this tells us is that all temptations of evil are of this terrestrial world.

How does this relate to the three accounts of the Temptation of Christ? It must have been an important lesson to be included in the three gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke. In each book, Jesus is tempted in three situations which (ironically) correspond to the three elements of 'all that is in the world'.

1. "And when the tempter came to Him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command these stones be made bread" Mt. 4:3. This corresponds to the lust of the flesh.

2. "Again the devil [small 'd', thus a noun] taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" Mt. 4:8. This corresponds to the lust of the eyes. If we are to understand this exceedingly high mountain to be literal, then we are stuck with the impossibility of literally seeing all the kingdoms of the world by virtue of a limited horizon. Even if one were on top of Mt. Everest, one would not be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. This indicates that the narrative is engaged in figures of speech.

3. "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down" Mt. 4:6. This corresponds to the pride of life.

These three elements are the only things that tempted Christ. The devil in this case, as it was with Eve and ourselves today, is the adversarial mentality to go against God. We can overcome adverse thinking as did Jesus Christ. Let's look at who or what tempted Eve.

If Adam and Eve had remained obedient to God's command, death would not have entered the world. There's some pretty heavy symbolism going on in the Garden of Eden. Adam was formed exclusively by God and had no flesh mother; and because of that, God's spirit dominated his flesh so that he wasn't carnally minded. Eve on the other hand was made by God out of Adam's flesh and thus the weaker vessel. Adam was made from the dust of the ground. Dust cannot be tempted and neither can God's Spirit (James 1:13). This may explain why there had to be a weak link for Eve to be tempted. If this wasn't God's purpose, He would have created Eve out of the dust also. As such, neither could have been tempted in the flesh.

The three temptations of 'all that is in the world' (I John 2:16) were also laid upon Jesus' flesh (Luke 4:1-13). Christ had a heavenly Father (creator) and also a flesh mother (Mary). The difference between these two temptations (Jesus' and Eve's) is that Christ overcame the flesh. We know God's Spirit cannot be tempted without the introduction of the flesh. After 40 days of fasting in the wilderness, it was Jesus' own hunger, visualization and potential ambition that entered His mental state or condition.

The "tree of knowledge" represents God's Law in spiritual form (Romans 7:14). Partaking of its fruit, as Adam and Eve were warned and found out brings on death. It wasn't the actual fruit that inflicted death, but rather their disobedience to what the Lord had commanded. So, in the symbolism of a tree, embodied three manifestations of all that is in the world. That is: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life (I John 2:16). "Satan" is not included in "all that is in the world". When we investigate Eve's infatuation by way of a stimulant i.e the serpent, we find that all three parts of our worldly enticements were presented in the temptation.

1. The lust of the flesh was accomplished in that "The tree was good for food."

2. The lust of the eyes was fulfilled in that "It was pleasant to the eyes."

3. And the pride of life was achieved in Eve's belief that it was "A tree to be desired to make one wise" (Gen. 3:6).

Perhaps, conceptually, the word satan has been so misinterpreted to align itself with pagan mythology rather than with the Word of God, that it is incomprehensible to those who have been inculcated with years of superstitious teachings and 'doctrines of devils' to believe in the simplicity of Christ. Let me give you a comparative example of how the Bible says the same thing in two different ways. "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil" I John 3:8. And then we read the same premise just three verses prior, "He was manifested to take away our sins." It shouldn't be too hard to comprehend that it is our sin nature, which the Bible says is the only thing in the world (that should be of concern) and it is: the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life. It is these three things that tempted both Eve and Jesus, not a vicarious supernatural agent in lieu of God. We are further told in James 1:14 that "every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." Again, no mention of any supernatural being. That should give any casual reader pause for reflection.
 
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Read ''Give The Devil His Due''

Give The Devil His Due



The Temptation of Eve and Jesus



It is assumed that just because the words "Satan" and "Devil" are incorporated into the Masoretic text, that proves the existence of a literal supernatural being. However, if we probe a little deeper into Scripture to see who or what is the principle of temptation in the case of both Jesus and Eve, we will discover something that cannot be easily dismissed or passed off as mere coincidence. To understand what tempts man, we must search scripture for an answer (to see whether it is a personification of evil called "Satan" or something else). I believe the answer is found in I John 2:16 which says, "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." The "Satan" or "Devil" is not mentioned as having anything to do with "All that is in the world." What this tells us is that all temptations of evil are of this terrestrial world.

How does this relate to the three accounts of the Temptation of Christ? It must have been an important lesson to be included in the three gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke. In each book, Jesus is tempted in three situations which (ironically) correspond to the three elements of 'all that is in the world'.

1. "And when the tempter came to Him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command these stones be made bread" Mt. 4:3. This corresponds to the lust of the flesh.

2. "Again the devil [small 'd', thus a noun] taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" Mt. 4:8. This corresponds to the lust of the eyes. If we are to understand this exceedingly high mountain to be literal, then we are stuck with the impossibility of literally seeing all the kingdoms of the world by virtue of a limited horizon. Even if one were on top of Mt. Everest, one would not be able to see all the kingdoms of the world. This indicates that the narrative is engaged in figures of speech.

3. "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down" Mt. 4:6. This corresponds to the pride of life.

These three elements are the only things that tempted Christ. The devil in this case, as it was with Eve and ourselves today, is the adversarial mentality to go against God. We can overcome adverse thinking as did Jesus Christ. Let's look at who or what tempted Eve.

If Adam and Eve had remained obedient to God's command, death would not have entered the world. There's some pretty heavy symbolism going on in the Garden of Eden. Adam was formed exclusively by God and had no flesh mother; and because of that, God's spirit dominated his flesh so that he wasn't carnally minded. Eve on the other hand was made by God out of Adam's flesh and thus the weaker vessel. Adam was made from the dust of the ground. Dust cannot be tempted and neither can God's Spirit (James 1:13). This may explain why there had to be a weak link for Eve to be tempted. If this wasn't God's purpose, He would have created Eve out of the dust also. As such, neither could have been tempted in the flesh.

The three temptations of 'all that is in the world' (I John 2:16) were also laid upon Jesus' flesh (Luke 4:1-13). Christ had a heavenly Father (creator) and also a flesh mother (Mary). The difference between these two temptations (Jesus' and Eve's) is that Christ overcame the flesh. We know God's Spirit cannot be tempted without the introduction of the flesh. After 40 days of fasting in the wilderness, it was Jesus' own hunger, visualization and potential ambition that entered His mental state or condition.

The "tree of knowledge" represents God's Law in spiritual form (Romans 7:14). Partaking of its fruit, as Adam and Eve were warned and found out brings on death. It wasn't the actual fruit that inflicted death, but rather their disobedience to what the Lord had commanded. So, in the symbolism of a tree, embodied three manifestations of all that is in the world. That is: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life (I John 2:16). "Satan" is not included in "all that is in the world". When we investigate Eve's infatuation by way of a stimulant i.e the serpent, we find that all three parts of our worldly enticements were presented in the temptation.

1. The lust of the flesh was accomplished in that "The tree was good for food."

2. The lust of the eyes was fulfilled in that "It was pleasant to the eyes."

3. And the pride of life was achieved in Eve's belief that it was "A tree to be desired to make one wise" (Gen. 3:6).

Perhaps, conceptually, the word satan has been so misinterpreted to align itself with pagan mythology rather than with the Word of God, that it is incomprehensible to those who have been inculcated with years of superstitious teachings and 'doctrines of devils' to believe in the simplicity of Christ. Let me give you a comparative example of how the Bible says the same thing in two different ways. "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil" I John 3:8. And then we read the same premise just three verses prior, "He was manifested to take away our sins." It shouldn't be too hard to comprehend that it is our sin nature, which the Bible says is the only thing in the world (that should be of concern) and it is: the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life. It is these three things that tempted both Eve and Jesus, not a vicarious supernatural agent in lieu of God. We are further told in James 1:14 that "every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." Again, no mention of any supernatural being. That should give any casual reader pause for reflection.
:amen: Only God has immortality!
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
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by Pastor Mark Downey

The scriptural fact is that God did NOT identify these "sons of God" as "angels", but rather "man" and "flesh" (Gen. 6:3,7), and if they had been "angels", their conduct would hardly fit the definition of the Hebrew word "malak". The scriptural fact is that these "sons of God" were mere, mortal men, "judges" or otherwise (Gen. 6:3,7), who reverted to paganism ("took unto them wives of the daughters of men" meaning they embraced paganism), and, thereby, became "hypocrites" ("one who feigns to be what he is not; especially, one who pretends to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so." Further confirmation is found in the succeeding scripture:
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart." (Gen. 6:5,6)
Obviously, the actual "celestial" "sons of God" were the same in the days preceding the great flood, as they were in the time of Jesus, the Christ.
It was Jesus that told us that the celestial "angels" did not lust, nor copulate, nor marry. On the contrary, "celestial angels" are asexual: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." (M't 22:30). Celestial angels are asexual and do not reproduce as does mankind. This being the case (Mt.22:30), then they probably do not possess the reproductive organs as does Adamkind. Nor do such celestial angels have the power to create life… only God has that power. Therefore, it would be reasonable to conclude that the celestial angels did not get the heathen women ‘in the family way’, so that they would produce offspring that would be “Mighty men and men of reknown.” The celestial angels have been given a bad rap in the paternity charges that have been made by neo-heathen Christian theologians (nhCt).
Interestingly, the later nhCt completely contradicted the interpretation that was made, that celestial angels were prone to carnal lust, because it was on the basis of complete fidelity to God, that the later orders of celibates (monks and nuns) were established. As though only humans can remain celibate!
Further, if these “sons of God” had been the celestial angels that were the “fallen angels” (Rev. 12:9), according to the perverted interpretations of the nhCt, then these fallen angels would have had to be demons and devils of unlimited evil. Now, in the name of sweet reason, would these creatures have bothered to “Take themselves wives”? Why would they bother, when all they would have to do is simply rape the helpless heathen women? Why would they “Take themselves wives”, when they would obviously have no concern about the fact that intercourse without marriage is fornication and condemned under God’s Law?
It is such an openly ridiculous distortion of the Scriptures that makes it possible to unmask the fraud perpetrated by the nhCt in their contrived hoax of the supernatural “Satan” promotion.
Finally, in the book of Revelation in the New Testament, it is made quite clear that any person that was a true "son of God", would, thereby, be a "malak" or a "messenger" of God, thus, an "angel" by definition ("malak" = "aggelos" = "angelus"= "messenger" = "angel"). See, for example, Rev. 1:20; 2:1,8,12,18; 3:1,7,14).
So, what has this symbolic story told us? Did God become angry because these "sons of God" began copulating with the "daughters of men"? Note that they were not fornicating, because they took them "wives", and under that stipulation, copulating would be proper under God's Law: "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth..." (Gen. 1:28). It was not the sexual acts of these "sons of God" that God was condemning by saying, "...every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually..." just as we now know that "imagination" and "thoughts" occur in the brain and not the "heart".
What is symbolically said here is that even though people profess to be righteous, they do not follow God's law, ergo, becoming "sons of God", but disobey God's Law (symbolized by "taking as wives" (embracing) the "daughters of men" (paganism), and do this routinely ("only evil continually").
Having, thus, taken the tarnish off of the good name of "angels" (both the righteous celestial, or righteous earthly "messengers" of God), it is now time to fully restore that good name by destroying the remainder of the hoax of the so-called "carnal-minded", "fallen celestial angels" that was conceived and perpetrated by the nhCt in fashioning a state religion for the pagan Roman Empire.
To prop up their flimsy "fallen angels-sons of God" fraud, the nhCt attempted to employ another contiguous Scripture: "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of reknown." (Gen. 6:4). The word "giants" is the translators interpretation of the Hebrew word: "5303 nephil, nef-eel'; from 5307; prop. a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:-giant.
" 5307 naphal, naw-fal'; a prim. root; to (intrans. or causat., lit. or fig.):-be accepted, cast (down, self, [lots], out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let)fall, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fugitive, have [inheritance], inferior, be judged [by mistake for 6419], lay(along), (cause to) lie down, light(down), be (x hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, - ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, x surely,throw down."
"5303...Those who used to interpret the passage in Genesis of the fall of the angels, were accustomed to render...fallers, rebels, apostates.
"5307 (1) To fall (down, on ground, from horse or seat, into ditch, into snare, in battle, by sword, sick, by decay, off, out, upon, from one's purpose or counsel) to fail, to happen.
(2) To cast (themselves, to ground, into embrace), to fall upon, to throw oneself, to attack, to alight, to encamp, to ask, to fall away, to desert, to bring forth, to request."
From the above, the general meaning of the Hebrew words, "nephil" and "naphal" relates to something or someone that has, can be, or will fall (-en, -ing) in a literal and/or figurative sense. The nhCt would have one believe that these "sons of God" were, literally and figuratively, physical "giants", as such, superhuman, therefore "fallen celestial angels". If you can buy that, then you will be very interested in a formula using water and sand that turns lead into gold!
The English word "giant" is a distortion of the Hebrew words, "nephil" or "naphal", as Webster's Dictionary makes quite clear:
"giant, n. [ME. giaunt; OFr. geant; L. gigas (-antis); Gr. gigos (-antos), a giant; ge, earth, and genes, born.]
1. in Greek mythology, any race of huge beings of human form who warred with the gods.
2. any imaginary being of human form but of superhuman size and strength.
3. a person of great size, strength, intellect, etc."
In the above, note that the word, "giant", from the Greek means "earth born" (i.e. mankind). Also, "giants" were from Greek mythology, hence, "imaginary" (not real). Note that these "giants", in earthly form "warred" (fought with) the "gods", just as the "Satan” promoters have created the "imaginary", unreal, "fallen angels" in the guise of earthly "sons of God", who, by disobeying God's law, were, in effect, "warring” with God.
Finally, notice that "giants" are any imaginary being of earthly form, therefore, not real or actual living beings, just "dreams"...or "nightmares"...MYTHS...just like "SATAN"! Why didn't the "Satan” promoters designate Samson, of such prodigious strength, a "giant"? After all, didn't Samson pull down a mighty stone temple of Dagon with his bare hands (Judges 16:23-30), and slay a thousand Philistines with the jawbone of an ass (Judges 15:15, 16)?
Probably the reason the nhCt "Satan” promoters didn't call Samson a "giant", or desire to call to attention the fact that, as a "judge", Samson was a "malak" or "angel", who was, also, a "son of God". (Judges 13:24, 25). Why didn't the nhCt properly interpret the Hebrew symbolism of the story that Samson lusted after Delilah, a heathen daughter of man (Judges 16:23-30), which made Samson both a "fallen angel" and a "fallen son of God"! Why didn't the nhCt point out that Samson had, in fact, betrayed his high position as a "malak", an "angel", a "messenger", or "judge" of God? Why didn't the nhCt correctly clarify the moral of that story by emphasizing that despite prodigious strength, or the highest office of "judge", those, as with Samson, who departed from God's Law (symbolized by Delilah) would lose their righteous strength (the cutting of Samson's hair), be punished (the blinding of Samson) and inevitably be condemned to death (under the rubble of the temple of Dagon). Though Samson was a "giant" in physical strength, his genes were weak, because he did not produce offspring that became "mighty men and men of reknown".
It has now been shown, in the Old Testament, that the term, "sons of God", has been exclusively directed toward mankind with only one exception (Job 38:7; more on that later). Those nhCt who continue to promote “Satan” still employ the tactic of taking Scriptures out of context, to perpetuate the evil MYTH of an IMAGINARY "evil fallen archangel", who went under the many aliases of "the great Dragon...that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan" and "Lucifer"!
Such is their use of Genesis 6:2, from which these nhCt would have one believe the hoax that evil "fallen angels" were the "sons of God", who, as "giants", carnally copulated with the earthly "daughters of men", and, out of this unholy joining, came other "giant" offspring who were "mighty men, men of reknown".
These neo-heathen "Christian" theologian-mythologists explain that these "giants", "mighty men" and "men of reknown" were probably much larger in stature, and with greater intelligence than the ordinary people "which were of old".
But this is as much sophistry, as saying, for example, that Germanic tribesmen were descended from the copulation of the "mighty men" and "men of reknown" by the comparison of the much larger Germanic tribesmen that opposed the shorter-statured Roman legionnaires of Julius Caesar. Or the Norsemen (Vikings), who were larger than most other Europeans or Latins. Or the Watusi tribes, whose descendants in Rwanda and Burundi, are not infrequently of heights approaching seven feet or over. Or the Ainu of Hokkaido and Karafuto, whose heights were commonly six feet, or more, making them tower like "giants" or "mighty men" over the other much smaller Japanese people. Interestingly, it was these Japanese "giants", who provided a great surprise to the American armed forces, when they encountered these "giant" Japanese Royal Marines on the Pacific isles in World War II.
We now know that the Adamic gene pool possesses the genetic potential to produce comparative physical "giants", and these are now commonly seen in present day athletic stadiums and gymnasiums. With the rapid advances in genetic engineering, perhaps, one day, people will be "cloned" into "giants", "mighty men and men of reknown". Modern medicine can now explain the occurrence of a rare "super-giant" of upwards of eight feet caused by tumors or other interferences with proper pituitary and/or hypohyseal function with or without an accompanying prolactin cell component in childhood.
Possibly Goliath (1 Sa 17:4,22;21:9;22:10; 2 Sa 21:19; 1 Ch 20:5) suffered from this disorder.
 
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Can't really agree with that either.

1) For one, there are 8 letter codes, not 7.

There has to be an even number to get the dichotomies and 16 possible personality types. So I don't know where you are getting the 7 from.

2) And I think your idea that scripture says eHarmony hands out secret names through Meyers-Briggs is a little crazy.


1) Yes, there are eight archetypal factors at work, though I omitted the Good Shepherd, or Conscience, and separated it from the other seven.
Freud and Jung never included this in their concepts of the psyche, and Myers/Briggs sort of postulated a vague idea about its necessary presence among the seven, as you suggest.


1) Myers/Briggs : Lucifer = The Pleasure Principle = Id

2) Myers/Briggs : Satan = Physiological Drives = Libido

3) Myers/Briggs [E]: Mammon = The Aggressive Drive = Ego

4) Myers/Briggs [N]: Devil = Feminine principle of Intuition = Anima

5) Myers/Briggs [F]: Beelzebub = The Reality Principle = SELF

6) Myers/Briggs [T]: False Prophet = Reason, the Logical/Mathematical Mind = Superego

7) Myers/Briggs [ J]: False Shepherd = Psychic Balance/Efficacy = Harmony

8) Myers/Briggs [P]: Good Shepherd = Perceiving = Conscience



2) It might seem "a little crazy" until we read Rev 22:1.

It is essential to the Bible readers understanding that scripture support the idea that we are different.
We do pparently think differently about the same thing because we have different perspectives.[/

But we all are opinionated and partly wrong.
The message is that Truth lies in the midst of our discussions and contemplations

Psychoplgy now supports the ancient world idea of twelve types of people as does the bible emphasize 12 tribes, 12 apostles, etc.




Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure (Homoiousian) river of (men, flowing into the) water of (evolving) life, (with their ancient phylo-genetic thinking), clear as crystal, proceeding out of (these new Homoiousian brains which are) the throne of God, (His image within man: [Gen 1:26-7]), and the lamb, (it's Homooiusian Mind).


Rev. 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, (this new Christian paradigm, the New Jerusalem: [Rev 21:16]), and on either side (of the massive ensuing Homoiousian sapiens evolution) of the river (of mankind into the next social age), was there the (biological) tree of (i.e.; animal and plant) life which bare twelve (Major Mainstream Apostolic Denominational Christian Churches), manner of (human) fruits, (one for each of man's twelve Jungian Functional Psychological Thinking perspectives: [Rev 21:12], each a distinct philosophical outlook similar to Myers/Briggs predispositions), and yielded her (human) fruit (of these twelve evolving types of creatures, Homoiousian sapiens) every month (in accord with the human menstral cycle): and the (unfolding) leaves (of the ensuing generations) of the tree (of biological life) were for the healing of the nations, (through their geo-political and religious social works).
And there shall be no more curse (in selfish, free willed Consciousness): but the throne of God, (the Homoiousian sapien brain), and of the Lamb, (the Homooiusian sapien mind), shall be in it, (i.e.; this paradigm of the New Jerusalem, or the new twelve "tribes" or Philosychological types of men: [Rev 21:16]); and his servants, (these new Homoiousian creatures of twelve Jungian Functional Psychological Thinking perspectives: [Rev 21:12], each a distinct philosophical outlook similar to Myers/Briggs predispositions) shall serve him, (in altruism to their fellow men):

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1) Yes, there are eight archetypal factors at work, though
Sorry but Only God has immortality!
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
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Do you believe in demons/satan and devils or NOT?

Is there an actual living creature that snubs God and is not subject to the wages of sin, who has lived for 6000 years?

Honestly, I don't know... I have to say I am not particularly concerned on whether such actual "creature" exists or not. What matters to me is that evil exists in all of us and it is our personal responsibility to resist. Then it doesn't make a difference whether evil has a personified nature or something less human-like and abstract, nor does it matter whether there is some sort of evil intelligence at work or not, because either way in every practical matter it doesn't make a difference for us, we are still subject to temptations of straying away from good behaviours. It only makes a difference on a theological level, and theology doesn't save or damn.

If it exists as more or less described in the scriptures, there is no way he could escape the same wages of sin tho. (But he definitely could not be 6000 years old since homo sapiens sapiens would be much older than him).

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It sounds like you're wanting to discuss the existence of hell vs. the possibility of permanent death for the souls, but I don't understand what is the implication of this from the personification of evil into an individual creature.
 
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Honestly, I don't know... I have to say I am not particularly concerned on whether such actual "creature" exists or not. What matters to me is that evil exists in all of us and it is our personal responsibility to resist.
If it exists as more or less described in the scriptures, there is no way he could escape the same wages of sin tho. (But he definitely could not be 6000 years old since homo sapiens sapiens would be much older than him).
Correct! Only God has immortality!
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
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Correct! Only God has immortality!
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


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The entity we meet at birth is the Cosmos, including the people and the Natural Forces that interpenitrate it.

We are separated from this almighty entity by our senses, and we can not directly "him" but must form his image in the form of Truth.


The issue of Trinity then becomes a matter of our inability to distinguish between Reality and the imagfe of it, called Truth.

Truth is the son of this almighty ever unfolding Reality which must correspond one to one with it.
Truth exists even before man did, but with the evolution of Modern man, the spirit of Truth also exists in our mind.




[FONT='ArialMT','sans-serif']TRINITY:[/FONT]
[FONT='ArialMT','sans-serif']Our Lord is Truth, in whose Spirit of mind we must commit our lives, in order to face Father Nature, The Almighty, Reality, within which we all exist.[/FONT]
 
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