How do you deal with Christian Naysayers?

cwolf20 said:

I stopped taking meds for adhd after the wrong level of prescription put me in constant danger of dying.

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huh....

dying of what? a racing heartbeat?

my husb took my drugs on accident 1 morning & he almost died of an overdose of speed.

cuz he doesn't have add or adhd symptoms, he's 'normal'.

if you were told you had ADD or ADHD, then had a racing heartbeat etc after you drugged up with a presciptive remedy, then you were misdiagnosed.

Doesn't mean 'hyper' = 'fake'; just means your dr is a moron....

cuz normal people just need to cut down on the sugar, then they'll stop exhibiting symptoms of anything remotely hyper related & they'll be fine!!!

cuz 'normal people' can't take massive doses of speed- even if a dr sez it's ok- cuz that'll kill 'em!!!!!!

my 2 hyper kids or i can take a doctor- prescribed dose of speed massive enough to kill a race horse.

& an hour later or whatever, after titration, our pulse & heartbeat register like we're sleeping; no physical effects at all on us from the massive dose of speed we're on. just goes straight to our brain & helps us remember where our cell phone is or car keys are, or where we parked the car in the parking lot, or if we have a critical important appointment or not.... cuz we aren't normal. speed actually helps us.

'Titration' is a weird, long, funny word that means (copy & pasted from wikipedia):

'Titration, also known as titrimetry,[1] is a common laboratory method of quantitative chemical analysis that is used to determine the unknown concentration of an identified analyte. Because volume measurements play a key role in titration, it is also known as volumetric analysis. A reagent, called the titrant or titrator[2] is prepared as a standard solution. A known concentration and volume of titrant reacts with a solution of analyte or titrand[3] to determine concentration.)

sooo...... in layman's terms, it means, 'let's say you have a headache. You pop an advil and 1 hour later, PRAISE GOD!! no headache!!!!' that means advil has a 'titration' rate of 1 hour, WOOOOO!!!!! i wish it was 10 seconds!! sorry!!! blame Adam!!!

so after the 'titration time' of the speed my kids & i take (1 hour for me cuz it's looooong lasting; 30 min for them cuz it's blink & you're over it ritalin) .... dude, we are DOSED!!! i can find my car in a parking lot!!! i can remember the errands i had to run before i hit my drive way- a half hour from town!!! i remember to feed the dog & call my gramma!!! woooo!! thank you God!!! i wish it was 10 seconds!! stupid freakin' adam!!)

yeah,yeah, yeah.... i know!! big deal!! you normal people can remember that kinda stuff while in a coma!! dude!! i'm so opposite of normal it isn't even funny!!!! for me, that's huge!!!!

so..... i haven't been on this forum in years..... i used to like it quite a bit!! then this thread made me hate the place so much i abandoned it entirely!!!

so here i am .... again... reading thru this thread.. & reminiscing....

& all over again, i'm like 'THAT'S why i left!!! cuz i'm NOT in the same religion as tom cruise!!!! clearly if i'm on the same page as a scientologist, yup!! i'm in the wrong religion!!!'

dude; i know. it's so religiously incorrect to believe in 'hyper' & i am so, SO sorry i exist the way God made me!!

c'mon over sometime!! come look at my (expletive deleted) house!! marvel at the missing tile in my floor!! i 'can't finish a project once the interesting aspect are completed' cuz obviously i'm just lazy!!

come shopping with me!! when i hit the cold air with a shopping cart fullla stuff & say 'huh...... where the heck did i park my car?' just cough politely & mutter 'i gotta go to the toilet' so you don't ruin the surprise & tell me the answer!!! cuz i freakin' LOVE an easter egg hunt all over a 3 acre parking lot in 24 degree weather, woooo!!! makes me feel alive!!! totally i'm wandering the parking lot for attention!!

when my church elders call my cell phone 17 times & can't reach me cuz i left it at home... don't tell me 'hey!! ya think you're gonna need a cell phone today!!?' before i leave the driveway, cuz that'll ruin their suspense lol!!! LOVE not having a cell phone with me when i lock the keys in my trunk or run out of gas on the highway!!! wooo!!!!!! that's so cool!!!! so awesome & not embarrassing when that happens!! i can feel your jealousy!!!!

yup!!! i'm totally lying!! i'm not hyper, i'm just stoopit & love speed!!!

ok... prolly going back to my heathen forums that believe me...

man alive... why is it heathens are so accepting & xtians are so not?!?!?!?!

cuz why the f*** would i lie about this?!!?! is it cuz i love to do speed?!??!!? if i was 'normal', it would kill me!!! cuz speed would only make me (lol) "hyper" *dies laughing*

i take... man i dunno... the highest legally prescribed dose available to mankind. and not only does it not kill me- it makes me remember stuff!! like 'buy gas, and bring my cell phone & where the heck is my car?!!?'

i know you think i'm a stupid liar for believing that.... whatever, man.

wander an alaska parking lot in Feb hunting for a vehicle with the toddler & baby you're related to for 30 min hunting for the minivan you came to the store in before you paint me with that brush. dooode!!!! pm me for more stories!!

nah... it'll take me 3 more years to read my PM's!! then i'll read your email & say 'huh!! who the heck is this guy?!!?' then i'll 'read all posts by whatshisface' & all over again i'll be all 'GRRRRRR!!! ARE YOU KIDDDING ME!!! DOES S/HE THINK I"M A LIAR OR JUST STOOPIT?!!?!?!'

ok gotta go!!! there's a buncha heathens i'd rather hang with than you tom cruise legalists!!


SEE YA IN 3 MORE YEARS CF!!!!

myanchor said:

I think of it and 'splain it like this. Our brains only have so much that can go in them. Those of us with ADD/ADHD have a great facility for creative thought, we can jump from thing to thing and stay on top of most of it, we can link things that aren't exactly obvious to most people, we can do a laser like focus on things that really capture our attention. Those who don't have this can do very detailed work and they can do things that would drive us insane with the jitters but we are the ones that follow leads and jump to new things. They cannot be inspired like we are, but they can harness themselves to a long hard slog well.

My daughter and son both are adhd'ers, and I'm an add'er. My wife said once that she didn't believe it was a real thing until she found out our son had it and he matched ever single point perfectly.

Edumacation is best. And if they want to remain ignorant, well bless them and walk away.

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dooode... wannna cry when i read this...

YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOOOODE!!!!!!!!! lol etc *sigh* pm me, ill linger for a day or 2 & give ya my email addy & heathen forum i'm in... & doode!! add me on FB!!! woooo!!!! you don't suck!!!

mg0086 said:

People that ridicule it never really knew or seen anyone that suffered from it. My family has a hard time with me and i think they're at their brink of me using it, 'as an excuse'.

It's like asking a person in a wheelchair to get up and run a marathon because their illness is fake. It's an insult when you say there's no truth to it, the same way it is when someone says you're not christian or you're not intellegent.

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dooode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! doooooooode!!!!! *happy sigh*

same stuff i told the guy or girl right above ya!!

* expletive deleted* how the heck do i log out????? haven't been here in years!!! it's so differenty!!!

ok, so i'm just gonna x out the tab this is open in....... prolly that'll work ,eventually ....

How do i deal with ignorant Christians? Ignorance is always bliss until the TRUTH WAKES us UP,AND THEN KILLS us! Our flesh that is. GOD forgives me for my sins,and i likewise forgive HIM for HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. It's not an easy thing to be in a intimate RELATIONSHIP with some ONE WHO'S PERFECT AND NEVER WRONG! My sin kills HIM,and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS KILLS me! Yet We are completely IN LOVE with each OTHER! Amen...Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, (((Suffer it to be so now)) for thus it (((becometh us))) (((to fulfil all righteousness.))) (((Then he suffered him.)))

Blessings...
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I'm also a "right" brain random - spontaneous - ADD freak of GOD'S Nature! Sadly we're dwelling in the midst of a world of left-brain logical micro-manager robots. Tis good to be "right"-brained. Though it be backwards as HELL in this life to a vast majority of the common patent perception. Which is a mind set in the normal prevailing mode of hypocrisy!Lol...


Blessings...
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SeraphimsCherub said:

How do i deal with ignorant Christians?

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yeah, i'm ignorant, no arguments there

but.... um.....

ok; yeah.... so.... totally i know you are writing something so deep & awesome that i'm too dense to grasp it.... prolly it's that.

but dude, man.... when it comes to 'being a hyper Xtian' ??? totally, i USED to be ignorant!! totally i swallowed the line of bullS-- that was fed me- 'there is no such thing as "being hyper", it's just liberals/ schools/ over medication/ lax discipline' etc....

y'know what?? it turned out... not so much...

just like the 'heathens' i 'discovered' i was hyper cuz i had to answer questions on a checklist about my potentially hyper kid.... & wow!!! *lightbulb went on* huh!! i realized that was me!!

it took me 3 more years of agonizing over it in prayer- literally -- huh... 'every day' isn't accurate.... 'every freakin' minute i'd think about it & run it by God.... was i wrong & just looking for a justification for being lazy & stupid cuzza my sinful nature?? how would that affect my walk with Christ, if i was on speed?? did i really need it or was i just greedy & stupid & quick to swallow the lies of the world??' wow, SUCKED!! easy to laugh at now, but back then?? man.... was 3 solid years of agonizing & stress & wondering....

plenty of hyper dudes in the Bible (Peter, i'd guess ) but not a solid 'go do thou ritalin if thou findest thyself to be amped beyond reason & hunting for thine oxen in a large parking lot' verses, y'know

& i literally had no Xtians i could go to.... well; that's not right. there was 1 i liked & trusted & thought was funny enough to hang out with @ gooodwill & mock the clothes with.....

so i told her!

- - - lol, another understatement!! - we were having a nice laugh about something hysterically funny & out of the blue, totally off topic i blurted out 'ithinki'mhyper&i'mgonnagotothedrandhavehimwritemeaprescrip&seeifthatcanun- screwmeup'

& she fell dead silent....

still hurts to think about....

cuz wow!! did that freak her out!!! cuz hyper is a lie!! prolly i'm just a drug seeking junkie wanting to justify laziness!! (or whatever; no clue what she thought just then.... didn't find out till later.... turned out she was freakin' TERRIFIED i'd drop dead of a heart attack if i started taking speed!!! cuz man!! THAT kinda speed is so powerful that junkies regularly rob drugstores to score it if they can't buy it on the street!!!!!! it's pharmaceutically similar to meth!!! yikes!!!!!!!!! lol so she was afraid for me & wanted to see me for the first 3 weeks i started taking it, in case i was gonna die of an overdose or something.... & i didn't wooo!!!! )

but it took me another few mos to work up the courage to go to the dr nonetheless......

the hardest thing was admitting to myself that maybe i'm not stupid or lazy, even tho that's what my head kept telling me....

cuz man, dude!! xtains gotta TON of screwy ideas when it comes to stuff they iz all kindsa ignorant about !!! sux!!!! easier than googling stuff i guess, i dunno

SeraphimsCherub said:

Ignorance is always bliss until the TRUTH WAKES us UP,AND THEN KILLS us! Our flesh that is. GOD forgives me for my sins,

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ummmm..... d'ya think it's a sin to be hyper then?? see what i mean? i just don't get what you are saying.... i might as well repent for having brown eyes while i'm at it, eh? is that what you;re saying?? cuz i just don't get it cuz i'm all kindsa stoopit

SeraphimsCherub said:

and i likewise forgive HIM for HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. It's not an easy thing to be in a intimate RELATIONSHIP with some ONE WHO'S PERFECT AND NEVER WRONG!

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uuuuuuummmmm.....

ok;

so.... you 'forgive' God, then? you- you, the created being- forgive God- the sovereign, holy, sinless creator of the heavens & earth?? YOU forgive HIM?!?!? huh; wow...

i have no idea what to say to that.... that's mighty big of ya!!

you forgive Him for His righteousness?!!?!? dude; His righteousness?!!??! the very reason He decided He'd send Christ to die for my sins, so He could have a relationship with me where He's my dad, not my judge?? - THAT'S such a sinful aspect of His character & attributes that you had to forgive Him for it?????

... wow.....

SeraphimsCherub said:

My sin kills HIM,and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS KILLS me!

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ummmmm.....

so!! didja ever hear of Christ? it's SO cool!!!!!!! if He died for your sins, literally He takes away your deservingness of punishment in hell- your 'unrighteousness'!! & His righteousness is actually what God will see when He looks atcha if so!! so cool!!! Christ's righteousness actually spares you from the second death- hell!! it saves ya!! so different than whatever you are talking about!! His righteousness kills the unregenerate!!

SeraphimsCherub said:

Yet We are completely IN LOVE with each OTHER! Amen...Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, (((Suffer it to be so now)) for thus it (((becometh us))) (((to fulfil all righteousness.))) (((Then he suffered him.)))

Blessings...
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thanx man!! d'ya have a Bible?? lemme know if not, man... pretty sure i can dig 1 up from around here somewhere.....

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Exo_33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Dan 10:5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
Dan 10:6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
Dan 10:7 And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.
Dan 10:8 Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.
Dan 10:9 Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
Dan 10:10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.
Dan 10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.
Dan 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Dan 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
Dan 10:15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.
Dan 10:16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.
Dan 10:17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
Luk_5:8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.


thank not that i don't know WHO my LORD~&~WHO THE KING OVER THIS UNIVERSE IS........


Blessings...
SC

wow... this post still exists huh?

It's been a few years since I originally posted here. Looking back on it all, ADD is to me today means 'I don't know what is wrong with this person'. I was extremely broken, lost, undisciplined, and restless. Today I am a lot less, thanks to my Lord and Savior Jesus. He has been a standard or a rock to hold me down to earth about my problems. When I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. He would find a way to help my find my answers and teach me how to overcome.

I made a lot of lost ground, and God is even revealing to me today that there is more ground to take. I used to hate my walk in the wilderness, but now I am growing to appreciate it.

Hebrews 12:5-11
5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”


7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

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I know it is a struggle, but I hope my experiences will help you to have hope that ADD label doesn't have to be the end of the struggle. I used it to help me discover what my weaknesses were, and built off of that.

Im dissapointed in the Church if they dont love people with ADD, I know Christ would be first to do so. i know it aint easy but God wants believers in Chist to love the un-lovables so why not us. Surely the millions of people who have ADD and ADHD cant all be lazy and undiscaplined. God made people who get cancer and ahlseimers and all those other things and the church is supposed to love them and understand them so why not us.