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This is just wrong.
They are the same exact arguments directed at the same Christian doctrines. Theistic evolution is not a part of Christian history before the advent of Darwinism and bears no distinction that would separate it from the core naturalistic assumptions of Darwinism. You make the same arguments and attack the same group the same way, usually in concert. You are telling me my original statement is wrong but never said why, which is typical, I'm a creationist who believes the bible as written so I must be wrong about whatever you don't agree with. Even consider the possibility that you got on the wrong horse?
That's true. But it is also true that many people who take these miracles seriously and believe in them (IOW, Christians) also accept that evolution is a fact of nature and natural history. And that is what makes the earlier statement wrong.
Yet not once have you taken a stand against unbelievers who shamelessly ridicule Christians for believing in miracles. Not a single evolutionist posting to this forum has the slightest interest in defending the Scriptures, they simply criticize who believe them. This isn't an inference, this is what evolutionists in this kind of a forum do. A tree is known by it's fruits.
Sure, it is hard to go against the grain of a secularized culture, but it is just as hard for Christians who accept evolution as for those who reject it. Evolution is not what makes a difference in this respect.
The secular culture hasn't got the ability to make basic insights into the Gospel since they are blinded to it. If they reject God's revelation in nature they are not capable of even seeing the Gospel, let alone believing it. These endless attacks on Bible believing Christians are exactly what atheistic materialists want, especially if it's coming from professing Christians.
I don't care what the secular world believes, their empty opinions regarding Scripture do not interest me in the slightest. What concerns me greatly is the evolutionists descend on these discussions like angry mobs. The truth is a little tough to take but I went through the same thing with the Trinity, I realized that I wasn't a Christian if I didn't believe in that important doctrine of the faith and had I not came to believe it, I would not demean myself or actual believers by pretending to be one of them.
You are right and yet wrong at the same time. Yes, creation, resurrection, new creation are all part of the same miracle.
Not a part of it exactly, more like different manifestations of the same power. To deny creation is to deny the Gospel, that's very clear from the Scriptures. Don't get me wrong I don't think your somehow reprobate because you favor a more figurative interpretation of Genesis it's rejecting creation because it's God acting in time and space that I regard as blindly unbelieving.
But evolution is not about rejecting creation.
Evolution defined as what? A young earth creationist is a radical evolutionist, the time and space given would require an accelerated evolution that would have scarred Darwin to death. Darwinism is about rejecting special creation, specifically due to a preference for natural law in place of God as creator.
It only rejects one human view of what the creation accounts mean. For an evolutionary creationist, creation includes evolution as part of the creation. So it does not involve rejecting creation at all. Nor miracles, nor resurrection, nor new creation.
Nonsense, it rejects what the Scriptures explicitly say in no uncertain terms, confirmed and expanded in the New Testament witness. Until this is acknowledged by theistic evolutionists at large I will regard them as professing Christians zealously evangelizing for a secular philosophy that rejects miracles entirely since they do little else.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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