Who will take the call and spread the word to the Muslims online?

Fireinfolding said:

Thanks CryptoLuthern good to know. I usually dont go through the drawers of every online preacher before I give him a listen, so I really couldnt say one way or the other. I am especially ignorant on what muslims teach (to a large extent) and wanted to catch the cross points between the two and what persuaded him on the basis of the doctrines. Someone posted the video and I watched, and whether the guy is or isnt what he claims, wouldnt much affect me personally, I sure wasnt interested in following the man personally. However he did share some interesting things, and these were "outside" of himself. Doctrine related, between muslims and how he was reading and seeing his error as it related to the scriptures.

Though to be honest I would not be considered to be of his denominational thought (for lack of a better way to put it). And I was perceiving (for myself) more then just one division (muslim doctrine and christian doctrine) and his understanding between the two. However, I was trying to keep any differences I might have with him (on the other end of it) quiet because these wouldnt be useful (here). I wanted to focus more on his presentation of the muslim thought (by doctrine) as it correlated to his own conversion (by doctrine). Or simply how he come from the former into the later. I can separate that way, but good to know either way, thank you.

God bless you

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I'm a big believer that if you want to know what a group believes, go to the horse's mouth. Ex-converts from a specific religious background often have an axe to grind, not always, but often. For example, if I wanted to better understand the beliefs and practices of, say, the Assemblies of God denomination I would go look at their source material, talk to well-informed members of an AoG church. What I wouldn't do is talk to someone who is no longer AoG and who has an obvious bias or axe to grind.

I think we can avoid at least 90% of the misunderstanding if we allow ourselves to hear the "official story" as it were. I would even go so far to say that if someone wanted to know about the church I went to for the first eight years of my life, they really shouldn't talk to me about it. Things happened there that wrought a massive scar on my whole family and for what some of the people in leadership at the time did to my mom still leaves, after all these years, a very bitter taste in my mouth as I am still learning to forgive them. So I'd be a terrible person to talk to, because obviously my stories and experiences are tainted. I wouldn't be an objective source.

-CryptoLutheran

cXXo said:

Matthew:

I am so glad that you are trying to spread the word of God and bring the truth to your Muslim brothers.

I am myself a Muslim, and I like to take every chance I can to discuss God and religion with my Christian brothers. I think you will find the Muslims you meet online very receptive to you and willing to discuss, but they will become very defensive if you are not respectful towards Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and Islam in general.

I know that the media in the west makes us out to be aggressive and ignorant people, but I assure you it's not the case. After all, the media tends to skew everything in order to suit their interests.

I have just signed up on this forum and this is my first post, but I hope that I will be welcomed into the community here, as I have read the Old Testament and New Testament several times and think they are beautiful books and would love to continue learning about Christianity and studying the Christian Scripture.

Warm Regards,

cXXo

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Nice to meet you, cXXo.

ViaCrucis said:

I'm a big believer that if you want to know what a group believes, go to the horse's mouth. Ex-converts from a specific religious background often have an axe to grind, not always, but often. For example, if I wanted to better understand the beliefs and practices of, say, the Assemblies of God denomination I would go look at their source material, talk to well-informed members of an AoG church. What I wouldn't do is talk to someone who is no longer AoG and who has an obvious bias or axe to grind.

I think we can avoid at least 90% of the misunderstanding if we allow ourselves to hear the "official story" as it were. I would even go so far to say that if someone wanted to know about the church I went to for the first eight years of my life, they really shouldn't talk to me about it. Things happened there that wrought a massive scar on my whole family and for what some of the people in leadership at the time did to my mom still leaves, after all these years, a very bitter taste in my mouth as I am still learning to forgive them. So I'd be a terrible person to talk to, because obviously my stories and experiences are tainted. I wouldn't be an objective source.

-CryptoLutheran

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I can understand that bro, do you know which beliefs (he spake of muslims holding to) as expressed, which were specifically incorrect?

I figured those who know their doctrine (whether other christians) or muslims (themselves) could point out his specific error in relation to the parts of the doctrines he pointed out.

Given he spake before a large audience, and youtubed it, he is open to such critisms. Someone could say, "no thats not what muslims teach" or that he is in error on "this particular point". Which is what I would personally be looking for.

God bless you

You may not realize as much but this is a Christian only board.

cXXo said:

I am glad I can be of help here. He makes various erroneous claims regarding Islam. Our "Mahdi" is not the anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ is mentioned many times in the Quran and will be defeated by Jesus (not Mahdi). Almost all he says about Islam is false, and I won't address other specific points (but you can feel free to ask). I will however say that the view he claims Muslims have regarding Jews and Christians are false.

Chapter 2, verse 62 of the Quran says:

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

He says that Islam was created through the work of Satan to destroy the teachings of Christ, but all Muslim teachings recognize Christ as a revered messenger of God.

Furthermore, verse 256 of the same chapter says:

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût (evil) and believes in God, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

Islam is a religion that takes the view that only God can judge what is in the hearts of men. Even if Islam was of the view that Christians are going to hell (which it is not), Muslims are commanded to be tolerant of all religions, not destroy them.

Regards,

cXXo

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Your new, 2 posts new! Hi there

I would need specifics verse references he makes mention of in the Koran that are incorrect and cross check it. Though, I went back to get what questions I would of had but I cant get volume on any youtube video at present, and isnt a problem on my end because I can listen to my media player just fine. Neither was it the mute button on any of them. So I dont really know whats going on there.

In regards to "erroneous claims" of whose the antichrist, they exists everywhere, even in the sphere of christianity, so I couldnt tell ya whose made out as the antichrist in your doctrine or not, whether the good guy is the bad guy or the bad guy the good guy (or however one configures it) verses the how the scriptures speak of the same. Well... not knowing your doctrine, it just becomes a he said, she said.

So he was a confused ex muslim maybe?

Some of his words (as you expressed) concerning how he states that Islam is a work of satan (uncapitalized) to destroy the teachings of Jesus might just be in accord with the thought of preaching of another Jesus. Which the apostles themselves also speak of in like manner.

Doesnt whats called "the surah" state that God has no son and that no son can be God?

Do they not believe the Word became flesh, and that the Word was God and was with God?

Jesus also said no man comes to the Father but by me, do muslims believe Jesus?

You said something to the effect that Jesus is a "revered messenger" of God, but in what way? Do they believe what he says?

I'll have to cross check you with other muslims now, since you are a new 2 poster just showing up here ok? Are you guys as denominational as christians are? Because then I will know theres will be no way to get a straight answer that all agree on and would throw in the towel here

cXXo said:

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût (evil) and believes in God, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

Islam is a religion that takes the view that only God can judge what is in the hearts of men. Even if Islam was of the view that Christians are going to hell (which it is not), Muslims are commanded to be tolerant of all religions, not destroy them.

Regards,

cXXo

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If there is no compulsion in religion, why can't I go to Saudi Arabia and openly be a Christian and evangelise as a Christian.

You say that "Muslims are commanded to be tolerant of all religions, not destroy them". You know that this is not true? Who are the infidels in Islam and what is the treatment that the Qur'an recommends for them?

This is Islam's message to infidels/unbelievers from the Qur'an:

Surah 5:72. They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

Surah 9:5. Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful

Surah 9:29. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Surah 9:30. And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

Surah 9:73. O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

I confirm what Wayseer has said to you. This is a Christians-only directory. If you want to discuss Islam on CF, please go to the "Unorthodox Theology" directory.

Sincerely, Oz

Ok, I was looking at a few online at various places, posted this way with references.

This is what I read...

Islam denies the Father and the Son:

The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; (Sura 9:29)

However, after asking his disciples who men say that I am, Jesus asked His own disciples who they say he is...

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus indicates what Peter said was revealed to him by the Father (verses men) whereas it says here...

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


(Sura 29 continued) they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them (Sura 9:29-30).

Is that true? Or this one...

It does not befit GOD that He begets a son, be He glorified (Sura 19:35).

Whereas ours says also...


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Whereas here in the OT it asks...

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

How he is declared to be the son (even as an answer to the prior question)


Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Heres another....

Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Ephes 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Jesus quotes David

Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Luke 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

Continued here (after the apsotles quote that same verse)

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

And again...

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Theres others, but I'll just stop there, but this one ( just a small one) but I was just curious

It says Muhammad wrote in the (Sura 4:30) that it is unlawful to have more than four wives

How many wives did Muhammad have?

Just curious, because I've read anywhere from 11-16 but I just want to be sure for future reference

No problem I will be pretty busy, I will probrobly in and out of the house today anyway

Fireinfolding said:

Ok, I was looking at a few online at various places, posted this way with references.

This is what I read...

Islam denies the Father and the Son:

The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; (Sura 9:29)

However, after asking his disciples who men say that I am, Jesus asked His own disciples who they say he is...

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus indicates what Peter said was revealed to him by the Father (verses men) whereas it says here...

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


(Sura 29 continued) they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them (Sura 9:29-30).

Is that true? Or this one...

It does not befit GOD that He begets a son, be He glorified (Sura 19:35).

Whereas ours says also...


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Whereas here in the OT it asks...

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

How he is declared to be the son (even as an answer to the prior question)


Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Heres another....

Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Ephes 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Jesus quotes David

Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Luke 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

Continued here (after the apsotles quote that same verse)

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

And again...

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Theres others, but I'll just stop there, but this one ( just a small one) but I was just curious

It says Muhammad wrote in the (Sura 4:30) that it is unlawful to have more than four wives

How many wives did Muhammad have?

Just curious, because I've read anywhere from 11-16 but I just want to be sure for future reference

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That's how you use the sword of the Spirit to destroy the enemy.

How is it they say they believe in God, when they reject the very Word of God?

Don't they know the Son of God is the very Word of God?

Any man who denies that Jesus Christ is the very Word of God is of that anti-christ.

In the faithful words of my brother Paul;"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha."

InSpiritInTruth said:

That's how you use the sword of the Spirit to destroy the enemy.

How is it they say they believe in God, when they reject the very Word of God?

Don't they know the Son of God is the very Word of God?

Any man who denies that Jesus Christ is the very Word of God is of that anti-christ.

In the faithful words of my brother Paul;"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha."

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Who is the liar, two ways...

Either God is made a liar

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Or this one is a liar

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


As you pointed out, the same is shown by both apostles combined

2John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Which is most likely why Paul said this...

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Makes us a partaker in his evil deeds simply by doing this.

Here are a few I had time to glance over that I was comparing, still working on it, but some of these are sorta strange, especially the thing with satan staying the night in your nose part

Garlic, onion and leek

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) saying: "He who eats of this (offensive) plant, i. e garlic, and sometimes he said: He who eats onion and garlic and leek, should not approach our mosque for the angels are harmed by the same things as the children of Adam. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat), Book 004, Number 1147)"

Numbers 11:5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick:


Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: "The Prophet said, 'Whoever has eaten garlic or onion, should keep away from us, or should keep away from our mosque and should stay at home.' Ibn Wahb said, 'Once a plate full of cooked vegetables was brought to the Prophet at Badr. Detecting a bad smell from it, he asked about the dish and was informed of the kinds of vegetables in contained. He then said, 'Bring it near,' and so it was brought near to one of his companions who was with him. When the Prophet saw it, he disliked eating it and said (to his companion), 'Eat, for I talk in secret to ones whom you do not talk to.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 458)"

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
　
2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


If a person has a bad breath, then he not only will harm his fellow Muslims, but also the angels as well. Notice that the first Saying of our beloved Prophet is not just limited to bad breath. Any type of bad smell that comes out of a person is not accepted. This could be the smell of bad body sweat, morning breath, etc.... These people are not allowed near the Muslims or the Mosques.


Isaiah 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Abu Huraira reported this directly from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him): God has not listened to anything as He listens to a Prophet reciting the Qur'an in a sweet voice.

2Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Ibn 'Umar reported: When 'Umar was wounded he fainted, and there was a loud lamentation over him. When he regained consciousness he said:Didn't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" The dead is punished because of the weeping of the living"?

Abu Huraira reported: People should avoid lifting their eyes towards the sky while supplicating in prayer, otherwise their eyes would be snatched away.

Mark 7:34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him,
Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516. Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, ‘If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.’

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 162. Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, ‘… whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do it with an odd number of stones.’

Theres a few, though I dont want to post these here if I shouldnt do that so someone just say, "Hey fire take that stuff off the board" no problemo, I wasnt sure if its a good idea to know a tad more then I do in order to better converse or rather convince when I absolutely had to.

Question, isnt it true Muslims believe the comforter Jesus was going to send was Muhammad? That appears so because theres alot of discussion on that very thing.

The comforter is the same as the Spirit of truth

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So the world cannot receive the Spirit of truth because it seeth him not, Jesus says the comforter which is the Spirit of truth shall be in you

Again this way, used interchangeably...

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Do muslims also believe that Muhammad is one of the two witnesses in revelation that was killed and raised three days later too?

I am building my muslim rumor verses fact document and need my facts staight

Heres another, I cant tell if this is a legitimate thing or not because it sounds so off the wall and I dont want to post anything of this nature. But its a wikiislam site

72 Virgins - WikiIslam

Read the third blue block down, then scroll down... is that true?

How could this be right? For a man to deny himself of sensual pleasures (while here on earth) calling them displeasing to God (to walk after the lusts of the flesh)... only to find God will be rewarding people with a mega overdose of these very things (in paradise). Heavenly orgies of some kind? This (to me) introduces a new idea to my thinking when it comes to alluring through the lusts of the flesh but only holding out promise to eagerly indulge in it in the world to come. I cant wrap my brain around this one.

I guess I wouldnt be able to, I am not seeing alot of similiarities between the doctrine of Christ and the things I am finding. I think I am done here.

Fire, I don't think you'll find it hard to convince Christians that the Quran is nothing more than a manufactured document, which has taken parts and pieces of the Holy scriptures and has distorted them to conform to their own carnal ideology and theology.

Their prophets(which are false prophets) have added to, and taken away from the Most Holy Word of God, and we know what the Lord has said about those who do such things.

Their way is violance, just as their false prophets ways are violance, and their god is a god of force.

I was just reading the news this morning and saw this article about 61 dead in Nigeria after clashes between security forces and radical Muslims.

Here is a clip from that artcle...


"Boko Haram has launched a series of bombings against Nigeria's weak central government over the last year in its campaign to implement strict Shariah law across the nation of more than 160 million people home to both Christians and Muslims."

Force is how they spread their doctrine, and hate is the driving force behind it. This persecution and killing of Christians is nothing new in the region, and throughout the Arab world, but it has intensified in the last few years.

Let us pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ who have to endure such persecution, hate, and even death at the hands of evil men. But let us also pray for those who have been blinded by their hate, and hope that they will come to the knowledge of the Truth in Jesus Christ before it is too late.

There is only One name given in heaven, and on earth by which men might be saved, and that name is Jesus Christ. Amen.

InSpiritInTruth said:

Fire, I don't think you'll find it hard to convince Christians that the Quran is nothing more than a manufactured document, which has taken parts and pieces of the Holy scriptures and has distorted them to conform to their own carnal ideology and theology.

Their prophets(which are false prophets) have added to, and taken away from the Most Holy Word of God, and we know what the Lord has said about those who do such things.

Their way is violance, just as their false prophets ways are violance, and their god is a god of force.

I was just reading the news this morning and saw this article about 61 dead in Nigeria after clashes between security forces and radical Muslims.

Here is a clip from that artcle...


"Boko Haram has launched a series of bombings against Nigeria's weak central government over the last year in its campaign to implement strict Shariah law across the nation of more than 160 million people home to both Christians and Muslims."

Force is how they spread their doctrine, and hate is the driving force behind it. This persecution and killing of Christians is nothing new in the region, and throughout the Arab world, but it has intensified in the last few years.

Let us pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ who have to endure such persecution, hate, and even death at the hands of evil men. But let us also pray for those who have been blinded by their hate, and hope that they will come to the knowledge of the Truth in Jesus Christ before it is too late.

There is only One name given in heaven, and on earth by which men might be saved, and that name is Jesus Christ. Amen.

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Yes!! wow! Thats where I was sorta agreeing with the man on the video somewhat, that of force, and would appear (to me) in respects to their sharia law to be enforcing the same (by the same) these oppressive laws worldwide. Do you think that would fit bro?

I wish I saved the site I was reading, it was this observation (if I am putting it right) concerning Jihad, which again had rang true of this mans video (echoing the same thing) which speaks of how you will never know (by them). But this other guy calls this Jihad one of seven (one Jihad is a war of words specifically) and the other Jihad is of deception (which come in peaceably on the one hand but is able to push deceit through by the same). And he gives an example how they will come in very agreeable to whom they consider the enemy (those who differ from them) to give assurance they are not their enemy (type thing) and he shared something that is a part of history with them (whereas they hushed about any) come in peace until they met their goal and turned again... I gotta find it, I had the page up and sometimes the puter shuts and you know how you lose pages. But I believe there were seven of them (as he showed them) which could be observed through actions. That one hit me and sorta bore a witness to what this other guy was saying.

But yeah bro, it seems right how you put it, I had no doubts (in myself) however I did not know where they come from or from where they derive bits and pieces and string them together to create a different doctrine in order to come to where they are, but wow is all I can say, it just ressembles some things is all I will say.

God bless bro, been studying Daniel again all this morning, I gotta get my act together there, might call on your help for some shuffling around (good thing was I avoided the numbers (save the days) and worked around the wording, maybe you could do "slide in" verses and give me a hand in a couple days or something.

Peace

Fireinfolding said:

Yes!! wow! Thats where I was sorta agreeing with the man on the video somewhat, that of force, and would appear (to me) in respects to their sharia law to be enforcing the same (by the same) these oppressive laws worldwide. Do you think that would fit bro?

I wish I saved the site I was reading, it was this observation (if I am putting it right) concerning Jihad, which again had rang true of this mans video (echoing the same thing) which speaks of how you will never know (by them). But this other guy calls this Jihad one of seven (one Jihad is a war of words specifically) and the other Jihad is of deception (which come in peaceably on the one hand but is able to push deceit through by the same). And he gives an example how they will come in very agreeable to whom they consider the enemy (those who differ from them) to give assurance they are not their enemy (type thing) and he shared something that is a part of history with them (whereas they hushed about any) come in peace until they met their goal and turned again... I gotta find it, I had the page up and sometimes the puter shuts and you know how you lose pages. But I believe there were seven of them (as he showed them) which could be observed through actions. That one hit me and sorta bore a witness to what this other guy was saying.

But yeah bro, it seems right how you put it, I had no doubts (in myself) however I did not know where they come from or from where they derive bits and pieces and string them together to create a different doctrine in order to come to where they are, but wow is all I can say, it just ressembles some things is all I will say.

God bless bro, been studying Daniel again all this morning, I gotta get my act together there, might call on your help for some shuffling around (good thing was I avoided the numbers (save the days) and worked around the wording, maybe you could do "slide in" verses and give me a hand in a couple days or something.

Peace

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Heres some scripture that shows the enemy befriending their enemy...

Jeremiah 41:1-9

1Now it came to pass in the seventh month, that Ishmael the son of Nethaniah the son of Elishama, of the seed royal, and the princes of the king, even ten men with him, came unto Gedaliah the son of Ahikam to Mizpah; and there they did eat bread together in Mizpah.
2Then arose Ishmael the son of Nethaniah, and the ten men that were with him, and smote Gedaliah the son of Ahikam the son of Shaphan with the sword, and slew him, whom the king of Babylon had made governor over the land.
3Ishmael also slew all the Jews that were with him, even with Gedaliah, at Mizpah, and the Chaldeans that were found there, and the men of war.
4And it came to pass the second day after he had slain Gedaliah, and no man knew it,
5That there came certain from Shechem, from Shiloh, and from Samaria, even fourscore men, having their beards shaven, and their clothes rent, and having cut themselves, with offerings and incense in their hand, to bring them to the house of the LORD.
6And Ishmael the son of Nethaniah went forth from Mizpah to meet them, weeping all along as he went: and it came to pass, as he met them, he said unto them, Come to Gedaliah the son of Ahikam.
7And it was so, when they came into the midst of the city, that Ishmael the son of Nethaniah slew them, and cast them into the midst of the pit, he, and the men that were with him.
8But ten men were found among them that said unto Ishmael, Slay us not: for we have treasures in the field, of wheat, and of barley, and of oil, and of honey. So he forbare, and slew them not among their brethren. 9Now the pit wherein Ishmael had cast all the dead bodies of the men, whom he had slain because of Gedaliah, was it which Asa the king had made for fear of Baasha king of Israel: and Ishmael the son of Nethaniah filled it with them that were slain.

That Ishmael sure was a sneaky fella wasn't he? I guess we should be careful who we befriend, and break bread with at our house.

Sure cant say he wasnt warned

Jerm 40:14 And said unto him, Dost thou certainly know that Baalis the king of the Ammonites hath sent Ishmael the son of Nethaniah to slay thee? But Gedaliah the son of Ahikam believed them not.

Then Johanan the son of Kareah said to him he would slay Ishmael

Jerm 40:16 But Gedaliah the son of Ahikam said unto Johanan the son of Kareah, Thou shalt not do this thing: for thou speakest falsely of Ishmael.


I forgot about that part, there was another place too, wasnt it Kings? where another told the man of God he was one too, but he lied and the man of God went in with him?

Paul says who not to eat with too, though I have wondered why that is largely ignored.

But yeah he was a sneaky little thing

Fireinfolding said:

Sure cant say he wasnt warned

Jerm 40:14 And said unto him, Dost thou certainly know that Baalis the king of the Ammonites hath sent Ishmael the son of Nethaniah to slay thee?But Gedaliah the son of Ahikam believed them not.

Then Johanan the son of Kareah said to him he would slay Ishmael

Jerm 40:16 But Gedaliah the son of Ahikam said unto Johanan the son of Kareah, Thou shalt not do this thing: for thou speakest falsely of Ishmael.


I forgot about that part, there was another place too, wasnt it Kings? where another told the man of God he was one too, but he lied and the man of God went in with him?

Paul says who not to eat with too, though I have wondered why that is largely ignored.

But yeah he was a sneaky little thing

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Deuteronomy 22:10
Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.

InSpiritInTruth said:

Deuteronomy 22:10
Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.

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1Cr 9:9 Doth God take care for oxen?

Couldnt resist that one

That would be an unequal yoke then

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

We are infidels to them though...

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54