show me in Genesis, where it says Abe was justified by law.
read 15;6., and for a full elaboration, check out Rom 4.
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show me in Genesis, where it says Abe was justified by law.
read 15;6., and for a full elaboration, check out Rom 4.
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Romans 5;20 says why, it was added to increase sin, and it did, so no flesh can glory.
Try to understand Baptist's who talk about salvation history, and then you will see, that the law was just a part of the whole movie.
Yes you are right, no flesh can boast before God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So God's law does not exist anymore? Then how should I live as a Christian? Doing whatsoever I please? By the Spirit? Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. How will the Lord write His laws on our hearts? By the Spirit
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Its obvious that the written scriptures can help Guide us. The Spirit uses the Scriptures even the Law. The Apostles tell us to abstain from many evil things, if we obey this teaching does this mean we are legalistic? Of course not. We should strive to be obedient to God, not just giving lip service to Glorify Christ in words, but also in our deeds.
2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Eph_6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Eph_6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
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show me in Genesis, where it says Abe was justified by law.
read 15;6., and for a full elaboration, check out Rom 4.
So now I must disprove the bible? Do we have a problem with James 2:23-24? You show me where Abraham only believed and did not obey?
Genesis 26:4-5 "And I will make your descendents multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give your descendents all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."
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It should be noted that the legalistic Pharisees didn't obey the law, the law was not the problem, the problem was that they only made it look like they obeyed the law on the outside.
1Co_6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1Co_6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat_23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mar_12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Jesus told them to do as the Scribes say, but not as they do, because they themselves didn't do what they taught others to do.
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
1Co_6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Mat_23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mar_12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Jesus told them to do as the Scribes say, but not as they do, because they themselves didn't do what they taught others to do.
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
1Co_6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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Hello James 75!I believe Frogster was responding to one of my posts. Don't know where the confusion came in.
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But you're acting like Paul did not know about gen 26;5.
Abe did not have the law, it did not come till 430 years later, read gal 3;17. Not only that, but everywhere Paul used Abrahahm, it was to ward off law and judaism, that is a fact.
And you quote James, yet he did not want to burden the church with Moses, read Acts 15, that is a fact.
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yet, led by the Spirit..not..what?
Gal 5:18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Careful bro...the law binds the conscience, and will still arouse sin, that is a fact.
yep, you sure don't post like a Baptist, but oh well...
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yet, led by the Spirit..not..what?
Gal 5:18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Careful bro...the law binds the conscience, and will still arouse sin, that is a fact.
yep, you sure don't post like a Baptist, but oh well...
Neither do you
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But you're acting like Paul did not know about gen 26;5.
Abe did not have the law, it did not come till 430 years later, read gal 3;17. Not only that, but everywhere Paul used Abrahahm, it was to ward off law and judaism, that is a fact.
And you quote James, yet he did not want to burden the church with Moses, read Acts 15, that is a fact.
I am not acting like anything, I am quoting the bible. I know Paul knew the word, I never said he didn't. But, thanks for acting like I did.
My response to someone earlier who quoted Galatians was to prove a point. That faith in God comes before obedience. Whether you believe that it was the same law or not is not the point. Abraham believed God and obeyed, and that is what Genesis 26:4-5 says. He was blessed because he obeyed God. Faith without deeds is dead, as James states.Thanks for telling me to read my bible. I do need to do that more. Acts 15 is not the begin all end all of the Christian life. Not where in the decree does it tell them not to murder, or lie, or steal. Does it? Yeah, so much for not wanting to burden people with that.
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yet, led by the Spirit..not..what?
Gal 5:18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Careful bro...the law binds the conscience, and will still arouse sin, that is a fact.
yep, you sure don't post like a Baptist, but oh well...
The law is a guide as I have said before. Through the law comes the knowledge of sin. Without it, how am I to know sin is? The law binds the conscience of sin as you say because it shows us how sinful we are.
I will take no offense to the fact I do not post like a Baptist as you say. I'm sure none was implied.
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I am not acting like anything, I am quoting the bible. I know Paul knew the word, I never said he didn't. But, thanks for acting like I did.
Thanks for telling me to read my bible. I do need to do that more. Acts 15 is not the begin all end all of the Christian life. Not where in the decree does it tell them not to murder, or lie, or steal. Does it? Yeah, so much for not wanting to burden people with that.
Acts 15 proves a point though, James did not seem to think they had to keep all of Moses, to not have their faith "be dead".
Again, sure, if God says to do something, of course we do it
, but that does not mean we are uder law sanctification, does it?Abraham was not sanctified or justified by law, or Paul could not have used him, the way he did, to ward off law. Don't forget, the judaizers knew they were saved, they wanted to add law, for their future sanctification, not just justification, they were already saved in Paul's churhes, they wanted them to take over, using law.
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The Spirit is our guide, there is a reason Paul pointed them back to the Spirit in Gal 5, walk, live, wait, fruit, and all this while adamantly getting the law people away from the Christians.
Why?
Because the law is not of faith, 3;12, and Paul knew the snare of law, and sin arousal, and guilt that come from the principal of law.
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