I also thinking spanking is wrong. You are teaching your child to hit--period. Better be safe than sorry...even if it doesnt affect everyone the same, why chance it? There are more loving, gentler ways of discipline.
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It truly is hard to know where one stands until they have children and those children start needing some kind of discipline. My toddler is entering the tantrum stage and wow is it challenging! I still haven't decided what I'll do as she gets older, I've turned things over and over in my mind. I wont say that physical discipline is abuse, because I dont see it that way. But if I find other techniques much more effective, I will want to use those instead. Too many times I do think spanking is the easiest (and laziest) resort for parents to use. My child is not an animal that you beat it and it responds, that's just psychological hooey fooey for the person who uses training animals for an example for parents and kids. My kid isnt an animal, she's a human being with emotions and a spirit.
Thats another thing, I DONT like the idea of hitting a small child because they arent old enough to understand the moral aspects behind behavior. But an older child (youth) will understand. So IF the rod literally means physical punishment, I think its for 'youth' (thats the proper translation), and not small children.
I'm so tired of being told that everyone who doesn't spank views it as child abuse. See, that's MY posts being glossed over. I have been told that I want to ban spanking, that I verbally abuse my children - based upon absolutely nothing, btw, and that I think that all spanking is abuse. So you want to talk about glossed over?I've seen so many good posts from parents who have spanked, or at least don't view it as child abuse, but they seem to have been glossed over and/or ignored.
So there's really no point discussing this further, is there?
-Niffer
I'm so tired of being told that everyone who doesn't spank views it as child abuse. See, that's MY posts being glossed over. I have been told that I want to ban spanking, that I verbally abuse my children - based upon absolutely nothing, btw, and that I think that all spanking is abuse. So you want to talk about glossed over?
But as to whether it should be discussed further, that's up to the OP. If she wants to close the thread, she can.
I'm so tired of being told that everyone who doesn't spank views it as child abuse. See, that's MY posts being glossed over. I have been told that I want to ban spanking, that I verbally abuse my children - based upon absolutely nothing, btw, and that I think that all spanking is abuse. So you want to talk about glossed over?
But as to whether it should be discussed further, that's up to the OP. If she wants to close the thread, she can.
Maybe there's a part of her post that you can read and I can't, but I don't see where she pointed out any specific posters. If you never said that all spanking is abuse then she isn't talking about you is she? No need to get defensive if no one pointed YOU out.
I don't think this thread is going to gain any more constructive posts.
But that doesn't stop me from responding, right? What I am responding to as much as anything is people who haven't been much involved saying that the discussion is over. What is that about? Why does anyone else get to make that call? It's for the OP surely, nobody else?I didn't say I was taking about your posts, Jane...
But that doesn't stop me from responding, right? What I am responding to as much as anything is people who haven't been much involved saying that the discussion is over. What is that about? Why does anyone else get to make that call? It's for the OP surely, nobody else?
IMO....this is a great video that relates to what you're bringing up.So I was just looking up Scriptures that have nothing to do with this topic at all, and I came across this: "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." Can we talk about this?
I'm not offended, defensive or taking it personally. I just am one of the people who is discussing this, so surely the suggestion to stop posting is also addressed to me? That would be my first, logical thought. Also, anything addressed to people who don't spank is surely also addressed to me?Jane, I didn't say anything about you not responding any more. If you want to keep the discussion going, then do it by all means.
I'm talking about your post that you took as a personal offense when there was none.
I was talking about non-specific posts, so as to intentionally avoid that.
No one is saying you can't respond..just maybe don't take it so personally.
-Niffer
I'm not offended, defensive or taking it personally. I just am one of the people who is discussing this, so surely the suggestion to stop posting is also addressed to me? That would be my first, logical thought. Also, anything addressed to people who don't spank is surely also addressed to me?
I'm not angry nor defensive. I'm just answering.
Perhaps this proves the point that women are easily perceived to be angry or defensive, when in fact they are just responding absolutely evenly and without an angry thought or emotion. No anger. None. Still love you just as much today Niffer as I did yesterday.
Lol!
You're right, I did take it as you being defensive, and felt a little personally attacked.
I should've made my first post more clear, by saying that "I" would stop posting, rather than blanketing the entire thread.
I'm glad you're not angry - as that wasn't my intention at all.
But I think I am going to step back from this one - clearly it 'gets my goat' too much.
Peace,
-Niffer
Only one person has said that spanking is abuse. Not me.
And .. you don't have any children, just fyi.