Worst Drug Fraud in History? Do You Still Trust Them with Your Life?

I am confused GbtG, actual scientists uncovered the fraud and the company was slapped with a massive fine. How is this different from fraud in any other industry?

Do you distrust electricity because of the Enron fraud?
Do you distrust money because of the financial crisis?

Crappy people do crappy things in all aspects of our society. The correct response is to discover the problem (which was done) smack the people responsible (which was done) set up regulations to plug the holes (which was done) and then move on.

I hear there are religious leaders that are pedophiles. How can anyone ever trust anyone religious ever again ever????

Grow up, and stop disseminating your own life threatening fraud as a response.

Oh, and for any sane people perusing this thread , a 43% increase in risk does NOT mean that you have a 43% chance of getting a heart attack, it means the risk is 43% higher. In other words, if your normal chance of heart attack is 1%, if you take this drug it jumps to 1.43%.

Do you distrust money because of the financial crisis?

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*Ahem* There's an entire industry dedicated to selling people a non-strategic resource which is at record high prices by convincing them that it will be worth something in the future if all other forms of currency crash.

Buying and using a car increases the risk of death by road traffic accident by more than 1000 percent (ten times). Still no one sues car industry.

lemur said:

*Ahem* There's an entire industry dedicated to selling people a non-strategic resource which is at record high prices by convincing them that it will be worth something in the future if all other forms of currency crash.

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So you don't trust money then. Interesting.

Blayz said:

So you don't trust money then. Interesting.

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Nah, I was mocking services like Goldline and the suckers who are apparently believe that buying the shinny rocks today amounts to an investment, despite those rocks costing more than any other point in 30 years.

Upisoft said:

Buying and using a car increases the risk of death by road traffic accident by more than 1000 percent (ten times). Still no one sues car industry.

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Ralph Nader? Cars have gotten safer because of it.

"There were many articles and reviews published about Avandia following the New England Journal of Medicine study, but research from the Mayo Clinic revealed that 90 percent of scientists who wrote favorable articles about the drug had financial ties to GlaxoSmithKline."

It is quite disingenuous for GBTG to use medical journals like the New England Journal of Medicine to prove his point, but discount anything from the same publication if it dares to disagree with his warped view of vaccines and other medicines. Why do you do that GBTG?

GodbetheGlory said:

Drug Company to Pay $3 Billion in Damages for Diabetic Drug

"After hitting the market in 1999, a 2007 study in the New England Journal of Medicine linked Avandia to a 43 percent increased risk of heart attack, and a 64 percent higher risk of cardiovascular death, compared to patients treated with other methods!"

"It started in 2004, when federal prosecutors began investigating the drug maker for marketing a handful of its drugs for unapproved uses, as well as the suspect techniques their reps used to influence doctors. The settlement also includes a U.S. Justice Department probe into potential Medicaid reimbursement fraud, as well as an investigation into the company's development and marketing of the Avandia diabetes drug."

"There were many articles and reviews published about Avandia following the New England Journal of Medicine study, but research from the Mayo Clinic revealed that 90 percent of scientists who wrote favorable articles about the drug had financial ties to GlaxoSmithKline."

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Its amazing! you mean to say 90% of the information these scientist provided in favor of this drug were slanted or just a plain blatant lie! why I'm sure this NEVER HAPPENS! and somehow this is only a one time event. drug companies just want people to get better, and thats why they fund schools to train doctors, to provide the best care using the medicines they create. And these doctors are confident the pharmacuitical creators are next to God, in their character and idealogies, in only wanting whats best for mankind, regardless of the cost......or lack of it......they will give the public the best most economical medicines for their money, because they love people

Blayz said:

I am confused GbtG, actual scientists uncovered the fraud and the company was slapped with a massive fine. How is this different from fraud in any other industry?

Do you distrust electricity because of the Enron fraud?
Do you distrust money because of the financial crisis?

Crappy people do crappy things in all aspects of our society. The correct response is to discover the problem (which was done) smack the people responsible (which was done) set up regulations to plug the holes (which was done) and then move on.

I hear there are religious leaders that are pedophiles. How can anyone ever trust anyone religious ever again ever????

Grow up, and stop disseminating your own life threatening fraud as a response.

Oh, and for any sane people perusing this thread , a 43% increase in risk does NOT mean that you have a 43% chance of getting a heart attack, it means the risk is 43% higher. In other words, if your normal chance of heart attack is 1%, if you take this drug it jumps to 1.43%.

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I think the general idea is not to be naive, if you see fraud being uncovered, in a certian business or company, and its leaders are not removed, only a fool would believe and trust them not to commit fraud again. It would be the equivelent of a burglar going to jail or being fined and upon release this guy is going to become a model citzen and never re-offend. On the contrary most burglars learn to be more cunning, and avoid getting caught. Or like the pharmacuitical companies did, just lobby congress to pass laws that they cannot be sued for injury their products cause such as in the vaccination program (ingenious!)

thegospelisgoodnews said:

Its amazing! you mean to say 90% of the information these scientist provided in favor of this drug were slanted or just a plain blatant lie! why I'm sure this NEVER HAPPENS! and somehow this is only a one time event. drug companies just want people to get better, and thats why they fund schools to train doctors, to provide the best care using the medicines they create. And these doctors are confident the pharmacuitical creators are next to God, in their character and idealogies, in only wanting whats best for mankind, regardless of the cost......or lack of it......they will give the public the best most economical medicines for their money, because they love people

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Not sure if you're mocking doctors or not. But drug companies do not fund medical education.

Lion Hearted Man said:

Not sure if you're mocking doctors or not. But drug companies do not fund medical education.

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ha ha ha its historical record, pharmacuitical companies put millions of dollars into the medical schools, adding whole wings, and furnishing the state of the art medical devices, from x-ray machines to microscopes.......all for the low cost of a few chosen men on their board of directors, (to make sure the money was spent well of course)....needless to say when you control the medical schools curriculum you control the medicine and how they're used. Yeah I'm pretty sure they didn't teach you that in school, much like Columbus actually didn't discover America for the first time, but we give him the credit. you believe what they tell you, not everthing in the books they give you is true.

thegospelisgoodnews said:

ha ha ha its historical record, pharmacuitical companies put millions of dollars into the medical schools, adding whole wings, and furnishing the state of the art medical devices, from x-ray machines to microscopes.......all for the low cost of a few chosen men on their board of directors, (to make sure the money was spent well of course)....needless to say when you control the medical schools curriculum you control the medicine and how they're used. Yeah I'm pretty sure they didn't teach you that in school, much like Columbus actually didn't discover America for the first time, but we give him the credit. you believe what they tell you, not everthing in the books they give you is true.

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Medical schools teach evidence-based medicine, which is based on independent medical research published in the scientific literature. Everything in medical textbooks and curricula has a citation to a study.

It seems odd to me that big pharma would have had to paid off every independent scientist and doctored every result to make it look like the drugs work in order to deceive medical students into using their drugs. Why not skip a step and pay off the medical students?

Here's a newsflash: I am actually in medical school, and I can tell you that the culture of medical education is not one of being drones for the pharmaceutical industry. Pharm reps are not allowed to lecture to medical students during the preclinical years and students are encouraged to not attend pharm rep talks during rotations. Pharm reps are not allowed to give ANYTHING to students or physicians. We have an entire council run by students and faculty dedicated to exposing conflicts of interest. Medical students receive no financial support from the pharm industry during their training, and near 100% of American students receive their funding entirely through federal loan programs and institutional grants.

You are simply a naive conspiracy theorist who has no idea what you're talking about. If you had an ounce of understanding about how science is done or how medical decisions are made, you wouldn't be spouting the nonsense you are spouting.

Blayz said:

I am confused GbtG, actual scientists uncovered the fraud and the company was slapped with a massive fine. How is this different from fraud in any other industry?

Do you distrust electricity because of the Enron fraud?
Do you distrust money because of the financial crisis?

Crappy people do crappy things in all aspects of our society. The correct response is to discover the problem (which was done) smack the people responsible (which was done) set up regulations to plug the holes (which was done) and then move on.

I hear there are religious leaders that are pedophiles. How can anyone ever trust anyone religious ever again ever????

Grow up, and stop disseminating your own life threatening fraud as a response.

Oh, and for any sane people perusing this thread , a 43% increase in risk does NOT mean that you have a 43% chance of getting a heart attack, it means the risk is 43% higher. In other words, if your normal chance of heart attack is 1%, if you take this drug it jumps to 1.43%.

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thegospelisgoodnews said:

ha ha ha its historical record, pharmacuitical companies put millions of dollars into the medical schools, adding whole wings, and furnishing the state of the art medical devices, from x-ray machines to microscopes.......all for the low cost of a few chosen men on their board of directors, (to make sure the money was spent well of course)....needless to say when you control the medical schools curriculum you control the medicine and how they're used. Yeah I'm pretty sure they didn't teach you that in school, much like Columbus actually didn't discover America for the first time, but we give him the credit. you believe what they tell you, not everthing in the books they give you is true.

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Do you have any evidence at all for these outrageous big pharma conspiracy theories?

thegospelisgoodnews said:

I think the general idea is not to be naive

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Yeah, well ordinarily I'd agree with you, but this is GodBeTheGlory we are dealing with. This is someone that not only believes no vaccine has ever worked, but actually believes they are bad for you. GbtG is cherry picking...or out right misrepresenting...yet another article in an effort to stop anyone on the planet ever using modern medicine ever again...unless it's completely untested quackery.

Blayz said:

Yeah, well ordinarily I'd agree with you, but this is GodBeTheGlory we are dealing with. This is someone that not only believes no vaccine has ever worked, but actually believes they are bad for you. GbtG is cherry picking...or out right misrepresenting...yet another article in an effort to stop anyone on the planet ever using modern medicine ever again...unless it's completely untested quackery.

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Actually I believe vaccines work, not as well as the studies show, but thats with any product on the market, it never is or does 100% of the the claims made, but as for being bad for you, I think vaccines are a trade off, I think people today are free from polio, but now are plagued with soft tissue cancers at rates never seen before, but were predicted by those who found SV40, I think people are no longer getting measles, or mumps rarely deadly amongst healthy people, and the trade off is leukemia and other cancers, and down the list, certianly not everyone is affected, much the same way not everyone gets measles or mumps, and the the list of other factors that may contribute such as plastics, water pollution, air pollution, and another endless list...........bottom line is I think people would be much healthier IN THE LONG RUN without them. I think there are alot of good medicines being made, but the notion that everyone should be on one of some type or other is not a healthy population and never will be. medicine is moving in the direction of disease management not finding overall solutions

thegospelisgoodnews said:

Actually I believe vaccines work, not as well as the studies show, but thats with any product on the market, it never is or does 100% of the the claims made, but as for being bad for you, I think vaccines are a trade off, I think people today are free from polio, but now are plagued with soft tissue cancers at rates never seen before, but were predicted by those who found SV40, I think people are no longer getting measles, or mumps rarely deadly amongst healthy people, and the trade off is leukemia and other cancers, and down the list, certianly not everyone is affected, much the same way not everyone gets measles or mumps, and the the list of other factors that may contribute such as plastics, water pollution, air pollution, and another endless list...........bottom line is I think people would be much healthier IN THE LONG RUN without them. I think there are alot of good medicines being made, but the notion that everyone should be on one of some type or other is not a healthy population and never will be. medicine is moving in the direction of disease management not finding overall solutions

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Awesome. Do you have any studies that validate what "you think"?

My apologies thegospelisgoodnews, I didn't realise you were one of the child torturers/baby murderers. You go right ahead and keep harming children...and calling it Christian. Does my atheist witness for me.

I think vaccines are a trade off, I think people today are free from polio, but now are plagued with soft tissue cancers at rates never seen before, but were predicted by those who found SV40, I think people are no longer getting measles, or mumps rarely deadly amongst healthy people, and the trade off is leukemia and other cancers,

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So where is the evidence that soft tissue cancers are increasing in line with vaccinations? And when comparing for other times in history, are you remembering to accout for screening levels, acuracy of cause-of-death, average lifespan etc?

bottom line is I think people would be much healthier IN THE LONG RUN without them.

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Measles kills between 1 in 2000 and 1 in 5000. Those are demonstratably not healthier. That's ignoring those who survive but suffer brain damage, deafness, blindness etc.

but the notion that everyone should be on one of some type or other is not a healthy population and never will be.

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Requiring everyone to be vaccinated is not the same as requiring everyone on to be on medication.

medicine is moving in the direction of disease management not finding overall solutions

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Ironically, you are complaining about the only method we have of completely eridicating a disease. If that's not an overall solution I don't know what is.