What a Natural Born Citizen really is, and why Obama isn't one.

pennmark said:

Finally, you're starting to come around!

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Nice try, no one said we didn't understand your argument, just that it isn't true.
tulc(understands lots of things he doesn't agree with)

pennmark said:

As I've said over and over again, my interpretation of the natural born clause is about respecting the sanctity of the natural human family, not discriminating against women.

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Sure, you only believe that a women's citizenship isn't worth as much as a man's. No discrimination here, you're just trying to return to the 'natural human family' of the 18th century that consists of the male landowner and the female hometender.

Think of it this way: Didn't Obama and his mom have a natural right to live with his Father in Kenya? If Obama Sr. moved his family to Kenya, wouldn't Kenya be obligated to recognize them as citizens? If Kenya refused, it would have resulted in an injustice, because it would have broken apart their natural family.

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And that's why we have the concept of dual citizenship. But given that your hypothetical didn't happen, why does it matter?

pennmark said:

As I've said over and over again, my interpretation of the natural born clause is about respecting the sanctity of the natural human family, not discriminating against women.

Think of it this way: Didn't Obama and his mom have a natural right to live with his Father in Kenya? If Obama Sr. moved his family to Kenya, wouldn't Kenya be obligated to recognize them as citizens? If Kenya refused, it would have resulted in an injustice, because it would have broken apart their natural family.

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none of that is naturel naionnality is not naturel its a human made idea and you dont have to give some one citazinship to let them live in a country.

you have given no reaosn why obama should not be considerd as american as any one else or why he should not be president or any legal grounds for him not to be

you seem to either want to discrminte against peole with litle family history in the u.s or you just hate obama and want an excuse not to reckognize him as your president

I'm curious if Rick Santorum would also not be eligible to be President?
tulc(just curious)

pennmark said:

As I've said over and over again, my interpretation of the natural born clause is about respecting the sanctity of the natural human family, not discriminating against women.

Think of it this way: Didn't Obama and his mom have a natural right to live with his Father in Kenya? If Obama Sr. moved his family to Kenya, wouldn't Kenya be obligated to recognize them as citizens? If Kenya refused, it would have resulted in an injustice, because it would have broken apart their natural family.

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Why can't Obama be a natural born citizen through his mother?

Why does it have to be through the father only?

How is patrilineality more legitimate than matrilineality?

-CryptoLutheran

Why does anyone sill care?

honest question.

unless your fmaily acts difrently then its not

pennmark said:

Because the Father is the natural head of the family.

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Says who?

AtheistVet said:

Says who?

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Certainly not the law.

pennmark said:

Says the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God.

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Who? I think you or someone before you made that up.

pennmark said:

Because the Father is the natural head of the family.

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Natural is not the appropriate word.

Some people will never accept.

pennmark said:

Says the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God.

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says you gods and nature dont seem to be tlacking baout it just pepole

god never told me pepole wihtout american parents or fathers cant be president of the u.s the bible dose not say so

and as are nation is man made wiht all its rules and law nature is out to

its you you say it

and i say obama is more american then you as far as i know hes not trying to bar extra citazins form bieng able to hold office becase he dislike ther politicks or fears or hates foriners and ther american childrin

pennmark said:

Says the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God.

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Ah, so because you say so.

-CryptoLutheran

pennmark said:

Because the Father is the natural head of the family.

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Exactly, and that is exactly why Rick Santorum is not a natural born citizen, given that there exists no evidence that his father ever became a US citizen.

Come and join my thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7621510-5/

pennmark said:

Because the Father is the natural head of the family.

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Its not a politically correct thing to say anymore, but you're right. The sexes have their roles, that's only obvious, even though the establishment seems to be doing their darndest to deny it.

I would liken human beings to mallard ducks. Mallards form pair bonds much like humans. The drake is brightly colored, because his role is to divert predators away from the hen. The hen is camoflauged, because she needs to hide over her eggs. The drake has his natural role, and the hen has hers.

Sometimes the drake can't perform his role because he's either injured or dead, and sometimes he can be a dead beat just like human dads can be. But that doesn't change the drake's natural role.

Likewise, sometimes human fathers can't perform their natural role. Maybe he's lost his job, or he's a deadbeat, or the modern feminist world has hurt his ability to perform his natural function. That doesn't change his natural role, which is to defend, provide for, and lead his wife and her children.

The Woodsman said:

Its not a politically correct thing to say anymore, but you're right. The sexes have their roles, that's only obvious, even though the establishment seems to be doing their darndest to deny it.

I would liken human beings to mallard ducks. Mallards form pair bonds much like humans. The drake is brightly colored, because his role is to divert predators away from the hen. The hen is camoflauged, because she needs to hide over her eggs. The drake has his natural role, and the hen has hers.

Sometimes the drake can't perform his role because he's either injured or dead, and sometimes he can be a dead beat just like human dads can be. But that doesn't change the drake's natural role.

Likewise, sometimes human fathers can't perform their natural role. Maybe he's lost his job, or he's a deadbeat, or the modern feminist world has hurt his ability to perform his natural function. That doesn't change his natural role, which is to defend, provide for, and lead his wife and her children.

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great post mate