Seattle protester miscarries, blames cops who pepper sprayed her

pgp_protector · Nov 22, 2011

Metro - Jennifer Fox: Seattle protester miscarries, blames cops who pepper sprayed her

Like this isn't going to cause any problems.

pgp_protector · Nov 22, 2011

Fox, who told The Stranger that she is homeless, was then taken by ambulance from the Occupy Seattle encampment. An ultrasound revealed that the fetus no longer had a heartbeat. She said doctors told her the kick from police and the pepper spray likely played a role.

So it may of not been the only cause (homeless & without medical care probably wasn't helping either)

Cute Tink · Nov 22, 2011

I had the same thoughts. She still has to back up her claim with medical records as well.

Ishraqiyun · Nov 22, 2011

What great people these police offices are. Hitting pregnant girls in the stomach and spraying pepper spray them in the face. I'm sure they had to do it to save their lives though. This petite 19 year old pregnant girl was probably going to beat one of them to death. I'm just glad the police are still safe :doh:

lux et lex · Nov 22, 2011

Where is the pro life rage?

Vasallus · Nov 22, 2011

lux et lex said:
Where is the pro life rage?

I agree. There should be tremendous outrage aimed at this woman who knowingly put her unborn baby at risk.

Autumnleaf · Nov 22, 2011

Vasallus said:
I agree. There should be tremendous outrage aimed at this woman who knowingly put her unborn baby at risk.

Exactly. Antagonizing police when you are pregnant should be a crime. If it leads to police action that harms the baby it should at least be manslaughter for the pregnant mother.

Aeneas · Nov 22, 2011

Vasallus said:
I agree. There should be tremendous outrage aimed at this woman who knowingly put her unborn baby at risk.

Autumnleaf said:
Exactly. Antagonizing police when you are pregnant should be a crime. If it leads to police action that harms the baby it should at least be manslaughter for the pregnant mother.

It becomes obvious when you try to pretend to blame a miscarriage from being pepper-sprayed and kicked in the stomach on the woman instead of the man who beat her up.

In other news, if a woman goes out of her home and is raped by a minor, she gets charged with statutory rape, amirite? Same logic, actually mine is even more logical since the secondary consequence (statutory rape) is actually illegal versus the insane right wing fantasy in which fetuses are people (and miscarriage would be manslaughter).

jsn112 · Nov 23, 2011

lux et lex said:
Where is the pro life rage?

I am pro life and I wouldn't even think about lifting a finger to support these weirdos. Does that make me a hypocrite? No. I am pro "innocent" life. That means: the ones that cannot defend themselves, or the innocent. These people are not innocent. They decide to take on the authorities. And this "mother" decided to put her baby in jeopardy. If anything, this mother is guilty of murdering her baby.

I assuming she's pro-choice. If so, she can't say the fetus was "murdered" under the the liberal's/left's definition of a human being, right? Too bad. But so sad for the baby, though.

mpok1519 · Nov 23, 2011

Vasallus said:
I agree. There should be tremendous outrage aimed at this woman who knowingly put her unborn baby at risk.

Invoking the constitutional right of peaceful assembly puts our citizens at risk from police brutality?

Then, how is that a right?

mpok1519 · Nov 23, 2011

jsn112 said:
I am pro life and I wouldn't even think about lifting a finger to support these weirdos. Does that make me a hypocrite?

Yes it does, actually.

These people are not innocent.

Peaceful assembly is a crime now?

They decide to take on the authorities.

Peaceful assembly and protest is a form of civil demonstration of mistrust and disatisfaction with authorities, but, I don't think that qualifies as "take on the authorities" as you so eloquently put it.

And this "mother" decided to put her baby in jeopardy. If anything, this mother is guilty of murdering her baby.

Its her fault someone else assaulted her? Huh.

I assuming she's pro-choice. If so, she can't say the fetus was "murdered" under the the liberal's/left's definition of a human being, right? Too bad. But so sad for the baby, though.

So, if one is pro-choice, that means one must not care for their own children?

The psychotic, diseased things people say these days....

moonkitty · Nov 23, 2011

jsn112 said:
I am pro life and I wouldn't even think about lifting a finger to support these weirdos. Does that make me a hypocrite? No. I am pro "innocent" life. That means: the ones that cannot defend themselves, or the innocent. These people are not innocent. They decide to take on the authorities. And this "mother" decided to put her baby in jeopardy. If anything, this mother is guilty of murdering her baby.

I assuming she's pro-choice. If so, she can't say the fetus was "murdered" under the the liberal's/left's definition of a human being, right? Too bad. But so sad for the baby, though.

Oh there is that Christian love and compassion I have come to know and expect.

PeterNY · Nov 23, 2011

So, if one is pro-choice, that means one must not care for their own children?

It's more a case of "if one is for women's rights to control their own bodies it means anyone is allowed to beat them up and force a miscarriage", a sentiment that has been expressed in another thread as well.

I've heard more than once a pro-lifer "jokingly" wondering if it would be legal for them to find out pregnant pro-choice women and start hitting their stomachs. Apparently they should have no right to complain about that.

Granted, that's a small minority and most pro-life people don't think anything of that sort. It's just the need for some people to pretend their violent urges are somehow moral, and I suppose a part of it also is fantasizing physically harming people they aren't really able to debate, to show how "superior" they are.

trunks2k · Nov 23, 2011

While we know she got sprayed and probably kicked (which could be bad enough in and of itself), I'm very dubious of her claims of a miscarriage.

First thing that raises my eyebrows is that she says the pepper spray was a significant factor in causing the miscarriage, in one source I've seen she says the doctor told her that the pepper spray "got to the fetus". What does that even mean, and how does that even happen?

Second thing is that all we have is her word that she was actually pregnant and actually had a miscarriage. She has yet to provide any confirmation of that, and hasn't filed a complaint against the police.

Third is that it seems that she may have been arrested about 9 weeks prior to this event. In that police report, it says she claimed she was 3 months pregnant (so that would make her 5, not 3, months pregnant when the Occupy protest happened) and she started holding her stomach and screamed "it hurt", and was then taken to the hospital.

Granted, it's not entirely clear whether it's actually her in that report, but I'm gonna hold off on the "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] the police killed a baby!" bandwagon until we get something other than her word.

Pregnant Woman Blasted with Pepper Spray by SPD Says She Miscarried (Updated) | Slog

Autumnleaf · Nov 23, 2011

Aeneas said:
It becomes obvious when you try to pretend to blame a miscarriage from being pepper-sprayed and kicked in the stomach on the woman instead of the man who beat her up.

In other news, if a woman goes out of her home and is raped by a minor, she gets charged with statutory rape, amirite? Same logic, actually mine is even more logical since the secondary consequence (statutory rape) is actually illegal versus the insane right wing fantasy in which fetuses are people (and miscarriage would be manslaughter).

Genetically fetuses and you are remarkably similar. Does that make them people? Is an infant really a person? After all, they don't pee standing up.

The pregnant woman intentionally antagonized armed men who are trained to hurt people if necessary. You bet she was at least partially at fault for what happened.

TerranceL · Nov 23, 2011

mpok1519 said:
Invoking the constitutional right of peaceful assembly puts our citizens at risk from police brutality?

Then, how is that a right?

Pretty sure the founders never intended squatting to be a right.

Cute Tink · Nov 23, 2011

trunks2k said:
While we know she got sprayed and probably kicked (which could be bad enough in and of itself), I'm very dubious of her claims of a miscarriage.

First thing that raises my eyebrows is that she says the pepper spray was a significant factor in causing the miscarriage, in one source I've seen she says the doctor told her that the pepper spray "got to the fetus". What does that even mean, and how does that even happen?

Second thing is that all we have is her word that she was actually pregnant and actually had a miscarriage. She has yet to provide any confirmation of that, and hasn't filed a complaint against the police.

Third is that it seems that she may have been arrested about 9 weeks prior to this event. In that police report, it says she claimed she was 3 months pregnant (so that would make her 5, not 3, months pregnant when the Occupy protest happened) and she started holding her stomach and screamed "it hurt", and was then taken to the hospital.

Granted, it's not entirely clear whether it's actually her in that report, but I'm gonna hold off on the "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] the police killed a baby!" bandwagon until we get something other than her word.

Pregnant Woman Blasted with Pepper Spray by SPD Says She Miscarried (Updated) | Slog

Thanks for providing a link to this update. I didn't think that someone would be following up so quickly and thoroughly on this.

CTD · Nov 23, 2011

jsn112 said:
I am pro life and I wouldn't even think about lifting a finger to support these weirdos. Does that make me a hypocrite? No. I am pro "innocent" life. That means: the ones that cannot defend themselves, or the innocent. These people are not innocent. They decide to take on the authorities. And this "mother" decided to put her baby in jeopardy. If anything, this mother is guilty of murdering her baby.

We don't need to go that far "picking a side". Excessive force is bogus.

jsn112 said:
I assuming she's pro-choice. If so, she can't say the fetus was "murdered" under the the liberal's/left's definition of a human being, right? Too bad. But so sad for the baby, though.

I noticed that too. Rather than 'blames' one might expect 'credits' in the headline. Saved her some $ and who knows how much guilt down the road.

Still not right. Sometimes neither side deserves support.

These Occupation jokers are playing right into the old boss / new boss trick. Communism without a police state is inconceivable.

trunks2k · Nov 23, 2011

Cute Tink said:
Thanks for providing a link to this update. I didn't think that someone would be following up so quickly and thoroughly on this.

Some more information on her claim (article suggests the police report I mentioned earlier is actually about her). Take it as you will.

mpok1519 · Nov 23, 2011

TerranceL said:
Pretty sure the founders never intended squatting to be a right.

then they should have used words other than "peacefully assembly". It doesn't specify for how long one is allowed to peacefully assemble; heck, putting a time limit on such a right would negate it as being a right in the first place.

also, squatting is a right according to them. What do you think the native americans were so concerned about but could do nothing to change it? Heres a hint; it has to do with foreign people squatting on your land.

Hypocrites, I'm finding out, are what most people are.

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