Yes! MORE police brutality! Only this time against unarmed peaceful students!

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So, a woman beaten in her stomach by the police in the protests has miscarried.

UPDATE: Jennifer Fox, 19, spoke to The Stranger at the Occupy Seattle encampment at Seattle Central Community College. Fox claimed that she was three months pregnant last Tuesday evening when she joined an Occupy Seattle march that stopped at the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street.
"I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," she says. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'" At that point, Fox continues, a Seattle police officer lifted his foot and it hit her in the stomach, and another officer pushed his bicycle into the crowd, again hitting Fox in the stomach. "Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," she says.

Again, still not a fault of the police for sure. As someone said in this thread before:

Well I am sure that woman probably is pro-choice......so the baby in the womb isnt really a human being or anything of worth. She probably is a liberal out there to cause trouble.

She was probably a liberal, and probably pro-choice. Therefore she can be beaten and she and/or her baby can be justifiably killed. It's really amazing how disgusting people can be.
 
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Speaking of which, notice how that report is worded: the Policeman "lifted his foot and it hit her in the stomach." No, he didn't kick her. He just normally takes steps that are waist-high. I can hear his defense now, "your Honor, I was practicing my silly walk:"

Monty Python - The silly walk - YouTube

I'm sorry, this is disgusting. Granted, anyone going to a protest demonstration should have the reasonable expectation things might turn ugly, or a mob might push or crush. But the Police are supposed to be there to make things better, not to be the primary offenders!
 
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She was probably a liberal, and probably pro-choice. Therefore she can be beaten and she and/or her baby can be justifiably killed. It's really amazing how disgusting people can be.


Sensationalize much?

It's amazing how much people will accept such claims without the slightest shred of proof when it supports their POV. Given how much people on the far Left will lie, sensationalize and over-dramatize to lend their cause support, I have some healthy skepticism about any such stories. In fact, even the responsible and semi-responsible media seems to feel the same way in regards to this story as she hasn't provided ANY documentation to support her claims.

When it's confirmed to be real feel free to milk the story with that rubbish I quoted above. Until then the story should be held in the highest suspicion.
 
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You completely missed the context of "that rubbish"


I didn't miss a thing. You guys need to stop with such rediculous comments. If this story IS true, one should be ashamed to use the death of an unborn baby in such a way. That's what is truly disgusting and depraved.
 
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Sensationalize much?

Sensationalize what? The quote about her being there to cause trouble and not worth a thing is from a poster in this thread.

Earlier in this thread even video evidence of police beating people and spraying their faces wasn't enough to make you believe it happened. You also are happy to discount all eyewitness reports from both the students and staff lies because of "far left". There's really no point since you just say nuh-uh didn't happen, even when confronted with video evidence.

What happened to the woman has been in the news. For example Pregnant teen, elderly woman among pepper sprayed - seattlepi.com

It's also nice to see that you treat a woman miscarrying due to police brutality something that should be "milked with that rubbish I quoted".

If this story IS true, one should be ashamed to use the death of an unborn baby in such a way. That's what is truly disgusting and depraved.

Police beats up woman badly enough for her to miscarriage. You think it's disgusting and depraved that she talks about it. Better just shut up, eh?
 
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It's also nice to see that you treat a woman miscarrying due to police brutality something that should be "milked with that rubbish I quoted".


You're comment I quoted was a truly wretched way of milking a possible death for a cheap political shot. No if's, and's or but's about it. "Oh, she was a liberal and pro-choice, so the death was justifed, etc., crap, etc."

What is also very twisted, if this story is true, is a woman carrying a baby getting into the middle of a law-breaking gang of protestors knowing full well that the police were there and things could turn ugly. How irresponsible is that? But she'll be excused because her unborn baby is now a "martyr" for the cause, right? Sickening.
 
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Talking about police brutality is milking a death for cheap political shot. Police brutality is something people should not talk about when it happens?

When things started to get ugly, she asked to be let out since she didn't want any part in that. The police replied with pepper spray and a kick in the stomach. Still, it's her fault.

You're either a troll or a sociopath.
 
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Talking about police brutality is milking a death for cheap political shot. Police brutality is something people should not talk about when it happens?

Stop playing coy. You know what you said. Let me refresh your memory:

PeterNY said:
She was probably a liberal, and probably pro-choice. Therefore she can be beaten and she and/or her baby can be justifiably killed. It's really amazing how disgusting people can be.

Like I said... cheap political shot. You used an alleged death to toss a jab at your perceived enemies.


When things started to get ugly, she asked to be let out since she didn't want any part in that. The police replied with pepper spray and a kick in the stomach. Still, it's her fault.

You're either a troll or a sociopath.

Oh, gee, down to name-calling now are we?

So she claims, and whether she did or not doesn't excuse her irresponsibility for being there in the first place. That was a very, very dangerous place that she exposed her unborn child to, whether she was kicked or not by the police, which still has yet to be proven.
 
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at UC Davis the campus cops were jamming their pepper spray canisters directly in the mouths of protesters. Some kids were coughing up blood and had to be hospitalized. God help them if they develope ulcers and other problems.

But thats all proper police procedure, right?

Nope, not at all. It was quite a disgusting show of force. The cops I know are embarrassed the actions of these guys.

I'm kinda wondering why they're calling for the resignation of the chancellor. She didn't authorize the use of force and it was never wrong for the students to be there.

“They were not supposed to use force; it was never called for,” she said. “They were not supposed to limit the students from having the rally, from congregating to express their anger and frustration.”

UC Davis Occupy protesters put up new encampment - Chicago Sun-Times
 
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It's actually quite simple really. As Jim Carrey in the movie Liar Liar (playing the role of a lawyer advising one of his clients who was constantly running afoul of the law) put it, "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, <bleep>!"
 
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It's actually quite simple really. As Jim Carrey in the movie Liar Liar (playing the role of a lawyer advising one of his clients who was constantly running afoul of the law) put it, "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, <bleep>!"

I also have that same mentality. But in the UC case specifically, no one was breaking the law...
 
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Nope, not at all. It was quite a disgusting show of force. The cops I know are embarrassed the actions of these guys.

What's this I hear? The voice of one, crying in the wilderness?

What I can't figure out is why some here are defending those same actions that any self-respecting officer of the law would be ashamed of. And the real shame here, is if those offending cops were to simply make a public apology, they got caught up in the heat of the moment or whatever the case was, the public would by and large forgive them.

I'm kinda wondering why they're calling for the resignation of the chancellor. She didn't authorize the use of force and it was never wrong for the students to be there.

:thumbsup: Yup, that's what's relevant.
 
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Like I said... cheap political shot. You used an alleged death to toss a jab at your perceived enemies.
My reply was to another poster, in this thread, from all the way back from page 5. Let me quote her again for you.

Well I am sure that woman probably is pro-choice......so the baby in the womb isnt really a human being or anything of worth. She probably is a liberal out there to cause trouble.
We have no idea what these students were saying. IF they were not doing as the police asked them they deserve this treatment.
Again. The woman was probably pro-choice. A liberal. The baby isn't anything of worth. They deserve this treatment.

Why is it wrong to point out that people in this same thread have already said that yes, the woman deserved to be beaten and miscarry because she is probably pro-choice and liberal?

Oh, gee, down to name-calling now are we?
Seeing that the main characteristics of a sociopath are authoritarianism and lack of empathy for people in lesser percieved social status I don't see much wrong in saying that. I could just call you someone who justifies violence against people who you see as "far left" if that's what you prefer. It's fine too.

So she claims, and whether she did or not doesn't excuse her irresponsibility for being there in the first place. That was a very, very dangerous place that she exposed her unborn child to, whether she was kicked or not by the police, which still has yet to be proven.
Actually the doctor has confirmed the hits to her stomach and it's even been in the news! The video footage of police beating with batons has even been in this same thread.

Also apparently she has been at the occupy camps since she is homeless and has nowhere to go. She's gotten food and a place to sleep at the camp, so she's stayed there.

Does that justify her being beaten by the police?
 
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I'm not doing your homeworkk for you. Look it up if you actually want to believe something that is true.

Yeah.... if you make an assertion it's up to you to back it up. Feel free not to, but don't expect people to take your word.
 
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I also have that same mentality. But in the UC case specifically, no one was breaking the law...

That depends on what constitutes law on the UC campus - according to news articles, the campus police were there to remove encampments and campers. As of now there's conflicting reports as to whether the chancellor ordered (she's apparently now stating that she didn't order it) security to remove them or not, but I find it highly improbable--particularly given the sensitivity--that security just acted on their own in this regard.
 
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My reply was to another poster, in this thread, from all the way back from page 5. Let me quote her again for you.

Again. The woman was probably pro-choice. A liberal. The baby isn't anything of worth. They deserve this treatment.

Why is it wrong to point out that people in this same thread have already said that yes, the woman deserved to be beaten and miscarry because she is probably pro-choice and liberal?

Seeing that the main characteristics of a sociopath are authoritarianism and lack of empathy for people in lesser percieved social status I don't see much wrong in saying that. I could just call you someone who justifies violence against people who you see as "far left" if that's what you prefer. It's fine too.

Actually the doctor has confirmed the hits to her stomach and it's even been in the news! The video footage of police beating with batons has even been in this same thread.

Also apparently she has been at the occupy camps since she is homeless and has nowhere to go. She's gotten food and a place to sleep at the camp, so she's stayed there.

Does that justify her being beaten by the police?

It doesn't in the slightest justify what happened to the poor woman. She already had a pretty bad life before being beaten by the police, as she was homeless.
 
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This really isn't a partisan issue. We should all be concerned with how the cops perceive any "threat" Just remember when it comes down to another more "christian" group protesting something and getting sprayed I would love to come back to this thread and hassle people over their responses. However seeing as this ISN'T a political issue aside from the views of the protestors I think it shouldn't matter. Brutality is a blind thing.
 
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My reply was to another poster, in this thread, from all the way back from page 5. Let me quote her again for you.

Again. The woman was probably pro-choice. A liberal. The baby isn't anything of worth. They deserve this treatment.

First, you're quoting someone talking about a completely different incident. Check the conversation from back on page 5 again.

Second, she was using sarcasm - just like you were.

Why is it wrong to point out that people in this same thread have already said that yes, the woman deserved to be beaten and miscarry because she is probably pro-choice and liberal?

Because that wasn't said. You're misconstruing what she said. Again, this is typical and dishonest behavior from the Left. And you wonder why people take anything said by you guys with a grain of salt?

Seeing that the main characteristics of a sociopath are authoritarianism and lack of empathy for people in lesser percieved social status I don't see much wrong in saying that. I could just call you someone who justifies violence against people who you see as "far left" if that's what you prefer. It's fine too.

Straw man. Again, the typical weapon of the Left. Where did I state that I have no empathy for this person? I didn't. You never bothered to ask how I feel, but of course that doesn't stop you from making up your own mind.

Actually the doctor has confirmed the hits to her stomach and it's even been in the news! The video footage of police beating with batons has even been in this same thread.

You're comparing two different stories, and on top of that, SHE claims the doctors said that - as of yet, no media outlet has received confirmation. The woman has been asked for it, and thus far she has not provided it.

Also apparently she has been at the occupy camps since she is homeless and has nowhere to go. She's gotten food and a place to sleep at the camp, so she's stayed there.

Nowhere to go? There are literally scores of shelters in the Seattle area she could have gone too, many that specifically cater to women with children. It's completely absurd to say that's the only place she could find shelter.

Does that justify her being beaten by the police?

Did they beat her? I don't know, there's no video of her being beaten. I've seen the video. Nothing there to corroborate her story.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...arriage-after-being-pepper-sprayed-by-police/

However, let's assume that her story IS true, and let us also assume the police were actually BEATING her, and further assume that they even knew she was pregnant - If all that were found to be true, I would be right there howling with everyone else about how this was a terrible, brutal crime.
 
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This really isn't a partisan issue. We should all be concerned with how the cops perceive any "threat" Just remember when it comes down to another more "christian" group protesting something and getting sprayed I would love to come back to this thread and hassle people over their responses. However seeing as this ISN'T a political issue aside from the views of the protestors I think it shouldn't matter. Brutality is a blind thing.


Actually, it has everything to do with politics in my experience, and nothing I've seen in this thread would suggest otherwise. You're also trying to frame the narrative here by presuming that all these incidents are indeed cases of police brutality. Are we to just skip the courtroom, judge and jury of peers and go right to sentencing then?
 
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