Gay couples to be allowed civil ceremonies in church

Ave Maria · Nov 13, 2011

This is sickening. Thanks be to God that the Catholic Church doesn't allow this kind of garbage!

Amber the Duskbringer · Nov 13, 2011

Ave Maria said:
This is sickening. Thanks be to God that the Catholic Church doesn't allow this kind of garbage!

Nah they just allow other types of garbage I won't go into here.

Catherineanne · Nov 13, 2011

Yarddog said:
Campaigners pushing for it and it actually occurring is not the same thing. Churches will be campaigning against as well.

I don't know British law enough to say if they can force Churches to allow it but I highly doubt that they can.

In America, we have had Churches freely allowing gay ceremonies for quite a while but our laws will not allow it to be forced on Churches.

Rest assured, the UK government knows better than to try to force any Church to do anything like this. Churches at present are not forced to remarry divorced people, or to marry those who do not qualify in some other way; ie RC Churches cannot be forced to marry non Romans. A great deal is left to the conscience of the minister concerned.

The legislation will enable those churches whose ministers want to carry out civil partnership services in church to do so. At present these churches are limited to only being able to conduct a blessing of a civil union carried out elsewhere, such as a registrar office.

Nobody will be forced to do anything.

Yarddog · Nov 13, 2011

Catherineanne said:
Rest assured, the UK government knows better than to try to force any Church to do anything like this. Churches at present are not forced to remarry divorced people, or to marry those who do not qualify in some other way; ie RC Churches cannot be forced to marry non Romans. A great deal is left to the conscience of the minister concerned.

The legislation will enable those churches whose ministers want to carry out civil partnership services in church to do so. At present these churches are limited to only being able to conduct a blessing of a civil union carried out elsewhere, such as a registrar office.

Nobody will be forced to do anything.

That would be my assessment of the situation but there are many who will say "doom, we are all lost", because of it.

Have a nice day and God Bless.

Catherineanne · Nov 13, 2011

Yarddog said:
That would be my assessment of the situation but there are many who will say "doom, we are all lost", because of it.

Have a nice day and God Bless.

Indeed so; the Chicken Licken approach to news.

I know many priests, and I am pretty sure none of them can be forced to do anything at all, least of all marrying people they don't want to marry. But it is also true that there are some who will welcome this as a step in the right direction.

:wave:

lismore · Nov 13, 2011

waves said:
The scheme will be “voluntary” with no church compelled to offer same-sex services.

That will be a relief to many churches then!

revelations12_12 · Nov 13, 2011

brightmorningstar said:
Revelations 12_12
We can see how Gods judges it, He says dont have anything to do with it... and if one isnt sure how come one could decide it is acting civilly?
So as far as you know, what Westboro say could be what God thinks.

I wouldn't know, I don't try to guess what God is thinking... But his judgement will come to this Earth that is for sure, and people judging others will be looked at the same as Gay marriage. All sin is equal in God's eyes.

Jase · Nov 13, 2011

Avelina777 said:
That is very true I have seen people with same sex attraction obstain from any intimate contact with the same sex and change and actually marry the opposite sex or if they don't do that they just remain celibate. And yes these people did start off gay. Another thing is if a same sex couple gets married in a church no matter what it is not a union in God's eyes. That is not what the Bible teaches. But I pray they see the light everyday!!

Anyhow, great post brother God Bless!!

There is not a single shred of evidence proving that gays ever change their orientation. Behavior is not the same as orientation. Many gays try to fit into society and marry the opposite sex, have children, etc. and suppress their same-sex attractions. It doesn't make them go away.

Every reputable scientific and medical organization on the planet disagrees that orientation can be changed.

Until you guys can deal with the facts at hand, and not the misinformation spread by anti-gay hate groups and pastors, this issue will always be contentious. And you're on the losing side of history.

mikemack · Nov 13, 2011

And we would never stand for a preacher who lies to us, so why would we allow gay marriage?

Jase · Nov 13, 2011

Ave Maria said:
This is sickening. Thanks be to God that the Catholic Church doesn't allow this kind of garbage!

Seriously? You want to play that game with the Catholic Church? :doh:

Jase · Nov 13, 2011

mikemack said:
And we would never stand for a preacher who lies to us, so why would we allow gay marriage?

Because a pastor who tells you God opposes gays is lying. The Biblical arguments for why are not allowed to be discussed on this board, however. Suffice to say, the 5 "clobber" passages used to attack gays do not mean what you think they mean. But very few anti-gay Conservatives read their entire Bible let alone research the original language and culture.

99percentatheism · Nov 13, 2011

waves said:
Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, will say that the ban on the ceremonies in religious surroundings will be lifted on Dec 5. The move has been championed by David Cameron but is likely to be opposed by some church groups.

The scheme will be “voluntary” with no church compelled to offer same-sex services. However, it is likely that some campaigners will seek to push the matter further if churches refuse to open their doors to gay couples.

It is estimated that about 1,500 civil partnerships a year would take place in religious settings once the ban is lifted. There are currently about 5,500 civil partnerships taking place every year.

Gay couples to be allowed civil ceremonies in church - Telegraph

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.

Gen 19:4

99percentatheism · Nov 13, 2011

Jase said:
Because a pastor who tells you God opposes gays is lying. The Biblical arguments for why are not allowed to be discussed on this board, however. Suffice to say, the 5 "clobber" passages used to attack gays do not mean what you think they mean. But very few anti-gay Conservatives read their entire Bible let alone research the original language and culture.

There is not a shred of reality in same gender marriage being approved by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

In any language.

No matter what kind of tactics are played out by the pro-homosexuality forces on earth, there is no honest way to homosexualize Christian holiness.

There are no clobber passages by which the gay rights crowd can use to justify the approval of homosexuality in a Christian setting.

It is simply the return of the crowd of Sodom, with the historic Christian Church barraced against the same throngs as Lot had to fear.

99percentatheism · Nov 13, 2011

Amber the Duskbringer said:
Nah they just allow other types of garbage I won't go into here.

You don't mean the homosexual rape of boys by homosexual men do you?

99percentatheism · Nov 13, 2011

Jase said:
Because a pastor who tells you God opposes gays is lying.

Jesus made it clear that marriage is a man and woman.

The Biblical arguments for why are not allowed to be discussed on this board, however.

Then let's you and I go to where it can be discussed and I will show your pro homosexuality positions as false in every case you present them.

Suffice to say, the 5 "clobber" passages used to attack gays do not mean what you think they mean.

There are many, many more passages that clobber the pro homosexuality position than just five.

But very few anti-gay Conservatives read their entire Bible let alone research the original language and culture.

In Hebrew, homosexuality carried a death sentence. In Hebrew, a marriage is a man and a woman.

Per God.

mikemack · Nov 13, 2011

Jase said:
There is not a single shred of evidence proving that gays ever change their orientation. Behavior is not the same as orientation. Many gays try to fit into society and marry the opposite sex, have children, etc. and suppress their same-sex attractions. It doesn't make them go away.

Every reputable scientific and medical organization on the planet disagrees that orientation can be changed.

Until you guys can deal with the facts at hand, and not the misinformation spread by anti-gay hate groups and pastors, this issue will always be contentious. And you're on the losing side of history.

This argument always made me curious.

Why does saying that they are scientifically attracted make it fine? There are plenty of things that could likely be proven scientifically but that we don't follow up on.

Also just by disagreeing with gay marriage we're called "hate groups". Why are churches not allowed to have opinions? We don't call churches hate groups because they don't agree with divorce do we?

mikemack · Nov 13, 2011

Jase said:
Because a pastor who tells you God opposes gays is lying. The Biblical arguments for why are not allowed to be discussed on this board, however. Suffice to say, the 5 "clobber" passages used to attack gays do not mean what you think they mean. But very few anti-gay Conservatives read their entire Bible let alone research the original language and culture.

Could you message me a link or something then for what you're referring to please?

99percentatheism · Nov 13, 2011

mikemack said:
This argument always made me curious.

Why does saying that they are scientifically attracted make it fine?

There are plenty of things that could likely be proven scientifically but that we don't follow up on.

Also just by disagreeing with gay marriage we're called "hate groups". Why are churches not allowed to have opinions? We don't call churches hate groups because they don't agree with divorce do we?

Watch the Two wrongs make a right ploy as a comeback to your sensible post.

99percentatheism · Nov 13, 2011

mikemack said:
Could you message me a link or something then for what you're referring to please?

Ask him to CC me will ya?

Amber the Duskbringer · Nov 13, 2011

99percentatheism said:
You don't mean the homosexual rape of boys by homosexual men do you?

Got some statistics to back that up? Nah I bet you don't, just scripture.

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