Gay couples to be allowed civil ceremonies in church

waves · Nov 11, 2011

Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, will say that the ban on the ceremonies in religious surroundings will be lifted on Dec 5. The move has been championed by David Cameron but is likely to be opposed by some church groups.

The scheme will be “voluntary” with no church compelled to offer same-sex services. However, it is likely that some campaigners will seek to push the matter further if churches refuse to open their doors to gay couples.

It is estimated that about 1,500 civil partnerships a year would take place in religious settings once the ban is lifted. There are currently about 5,500 civil partnerships taking place every year.

Gay couples to be allowed civil ceremonies in church - Telegraph

lemon-aid stand · Nov 11, 2011

waves said:
Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, will say that the ban on the ceremonies in religious surroundings will be lifted on Dec 5. The move has been championed by David Cameron but is likely to be opposed by some church groups.

The scheme will be voluntary with no church compelled to offer same-sex services. However, it is likely that some campaigners will seek to push the matter further if churches refuse to open their doors to gay couples.

It is estimated that about 1,500 civil partnerships a year would take place in religious settings once the ban is lifted. There are currently about 5,500 civil partnerships taking place every year.

Gay couples to be allowed civil ceremonies in church - Telegraph

the truth of this whole matter is that these issues are a sign of the times and allow for the true body of Christ to be prepared for our Lords return, and not taken off guard.. again.. these are signs to warn us that the rapture isn't far off, and we are to keep watch.. the fact that these people are marrying members of the same sex in church buildings.. does not mean that they are being married in the church.. the true church is a body of people that are saved thru the blood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.. any church that marries these same sex partners are not in any way, christian.. although they might call themselves christian.. they are not members of the Body of Christ.. anyone that teaches that we are to just accept these wicked immoral ways is a member of this false christianity that is performing these ridiculous marriages.. one thing i have learned in my 46 years on this planet, is that there are sins that even the wicked would not perform.. because these sins are abominable in the eyes of God and in the eyes of man.. this is the worst of them.. now there is good news for anyone that has fallen into these sorts or for that matter any sort of sin.. God can and promises that He will forgive any sin thru Christ's sacrifice on the cross.. but, now is the time for redemption.. if you choose to wait til a later date.. your time may expire suddenly.. before you have the chance to be saved.. so please.. i am asking that you refrain from any sort of sin.. turn to God and cry out for salvation, that is only attainable by the loving mercy of God thru Jesus Christ.. the moment anyone turns from sin and to the Lord.. the Holy Spirit will regenerate that persons spirit.. thsi is called being born again.. take this gospel and run with it.. because you and i both know that we clearly do not deserve life eternal.. yet we are given freely.. repent and confess Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.. then trust in the Lord, thru the workings of the Holy Spirit to make the changes in you.. He will work out your salvation if you let Him... in Jesus Christ.. dale

brightmorningstar · Nov 12, 2011

Thanks for a well constructed OP Waves, and lemon-aid stand for a good Christian response.

The scheme will be “voluntary” with no church compelled to offer same-sex services. However, it is likely that some campaigners will seek to push the matter further if churches refuse to open their doors to gay couples.

Some probably, at least sub-consciously expect the law of equalities to be able to overule the law of of opts.

But whatever, bring it on, it wont happen in churches that Christ recognises.

revelations12_12 · Nov 12, 2011

Gay couples to be allowed civil ceremonies in church

About time we started acting civil and left the judging to God! Ahmen

mikemack · Nov 12, 2011

revelations12_12 said:
About time we started acting civil and left the judging to God! Ahmen

I understand acceptance, and if gay couples want a marriage license that's fine. But blatently disregarding Gods law in his church?

Do you really think that's what He'd want?

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2011

waves said:
Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, will say that the ban on the ceremonies in religious surroundings will be lifted on Dec 5. The move has been championed by David Cameron but is likely to be opposed by some church groups.

The scheme will be voluntary with no church compelled to offer same-sex services. However, it is likely that some campaigners will seek to push the matter further if churches refuse to open their doors to gay couples.

It is estimated that about 1,500 civil partnerships a year would take place in religious settings once the ban is lifted. There are currently about 5,500 civil partnerships taking place every year.

Campaigners pushing for it and it actually occurring is not the same thing. Churches will be campaigning against as well.

I don't know British law enough to say if they can force Churches to allow it but I highly doubt that they can.

In America, we have had Churches freely allowing gay ceremonies for quite a while but our laws will not allow it to be forced on Churches.

boomersoonerliz · Nov 12, 2011

I really hope it isn't forced in churches. Churches should be allowed to chose who they want to marry and who they don't want to marry.

Amber the Duskbringer · Nov 12, 2011

Giving them the option to do so /= them forcing them to.

Many gays are so fed up with the church and all their lobbying, the church is the last place they want to taint their new marriage in. Let alone get married by someone who adamantly opposes them. Their might be a few who want to do that but that's like saying there are a few christians who want to make being gay punishable by death, doesn't mean it applies to all.

And the more you know =D

mikemack · Nov 12, 2011

boomersoonerliz said:
I really hope it isn't forced in churches. Churches should be allowed to chose who they want to marry and who they don't want to marry.

The day the government forces things on churches will be the day a church means something completely different for most of us.

Jase · Nov 12, 2011

mikemack said:
I understand acceptance, and if gay couples want a marriage license that's fine. But blatently disregarding Gods law in his church?

Do you really think that's what He'd want?

Everyone in church blatantly disregards God's commandments.

What's the difference?

EdwinWillers · Nov 12, 2011

Jase said:
Everyone in church blatantly disregards God's commandments.

What's the difference?

Shame on you.

mikemack · Nov 12, 2011

Jase said:
Everyone in church blatantly disregards God's commandments.

What's the difference?

Why even try following Gods law then?

We know we're sinners. But making sin a part of regular church is just slapping God I'm the face.

Jase · Nov 12, 2011

mikemack said:
Why even try following Gods law then?

We know we're sinners. But making sin a part of regular church is just slapping God I'm the face.

Well, many people disagree with you on whether what you're referring to would be sin and slapping God in the face. But that topic is banned on this board, so I'm not going to get into a discussion of why your understanding of that issue is flawed.

revelations12_12 · Nov 13, 2011

mikemack said:
I understand acceptance, and if gay couples want a marriage license that's fine. But blatently disregarding Gods law in his church?

Do you really think that's what He'd want?

I never try to guess what God would want... That would be incredibly arrogant.

mikemack · Nov 13, 2011

revelations12_12 said:
I never try to guess what God would want... That would be incredibly arrogant.

We all do. Even with this you're either assuming that God would want gay marriage in church or not. Sitting back and choosing not to interfere is in itself a decision of what you think God wants you to do.

brightmorningstar · Nov 13, 2011

Revelations 12_12

About time we started acting civil and left the judging to God! Ahmen

We can see how God’s judges it, He says don’t have anything to do with it... and if one isnt sure how come one could decide it is acting civilly?

I never try to guess what God would want... That would be incredibly arrogant.

So as far as you know, what Westboro say could be what God thinks.

brightmorningstar · Nov 13, 2011

Amber the Duskbringer,

Many gays are so fed up with the church and all their lobbying, the church is the last place they want to taint their new marriage in.

Thats up to them, but its not marriage to God. Bear in mind that there are some people with same sex attraction who follow Christ’s teaching by remaining celibate or who are delivered and marry to the opposite sex.
Are these people not what you would call gay?

brightmorningstar · Nov 13, 2011

Jase,

Everyone in church blatantly disregards God's commandments.

What's the difference?

I’ve never been to a church like that, the church is the body of believers, those who seek not to disregard.
　

Well, many people disagree with you on whether what you're referring to would be sin and slapping God in the face.

Who cars? Many people disagree with you and others, but the word of God calls same sex relationships detestable, error and wicked suppression of the truth. You seem to like the wicked suppression of the truth, you keep citing the people who do it.
　
　

Avelina777 · Nov 13, 2011

lemon-aid stand said:
the truth of this whole matter is that these issues are a sign of the times and allow for the true body of Christ to be prepared for our Lords return, and not taken off guard.. again.. these are signs to warn us that the rapture isn't far off, and we are to keep watch.. the fact that these people are marrying members of the same sex in church buildings.. does not mean that they are being married in the church.. the true church is a body of people that are saved thru the blood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.. any church that marries these same sex partners are not in any way, christian.. although they might call themselves christian.. they are not members of the Body of Christ.. anyone that teaches that we are to just accept these wicked immoral ways is a member of this false christianity that is performing these ridiculous marriages.. one thing i have learned in my 46 years on this planet, is that there are sins that even the wicked would not perform.. because these sins are abominable in the eyes of God and in the eyes of man.. this is the worst of them.. now there is good news for anyone that has fallen into these sorts or for that matter any sort of sin.. God can and promises that He will forgive any sin thru Christ's sacrifice on the cross.. but, now is the time for redemption.. if you choose to wait til a later date.. your time may expire suddenly.. before you have the chance to be saved.. so please.. i am asking that you refrain from any sort of sin.. turn to God and cry out for salvation, that is only attainable by the loving mercy of God thru Jesus Christ.. the moment anyone turns from sin and to the Lord.. the Holy Spirit will regenerate that persons spirit.. thsi is called being born again.. take this gospel and run with it.. because you and i both know that we clearly do not deserve life eternal.. yet we are given freely.. repent and confess Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.. then trust in the Lord, thru the workings of the Holy Spirit to make the changes in you.. He will work out your salvation if you let Him... in Jesus Christ.. dale

Amen brother :amen:

Avelina777 · Nov 13, 2011

brightmorningstar said:
Amber the Duskbringer,
Thats up to them, but its not marriage to God. Bear in mind that there are some people with same sex attraction who follow Christs teaching by remaining celibate or who are delivered and marry to the opposite sex.
Are these people not what you would call gay?

That is very true I have seen people with same sex attraction obstain from any intimate contact with the same sex and change and actually marry the opposite sex or if they don't do that they just remain celibate. And yes these people did start off gay. Another thing is if a same sex couple gets married in a church no matter what it is not a union in God's eyes. That is not what the Bible teaches. But I pray they see the light everyday!!

Anyhow, great post brother

God Bless!!

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