Witness saw Herman Cain and accuser together last month

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Interesting.

Washington (CNN) -- Presidential hopeful Herman Cain said he didn't remember ever knowing Sharon Bialek when she went before TV cameras Monday to accuse him of sexually groping her in 1997, but the two were seen talking last month.
A Chicago radio host told CNN Wednesday that she saw Bialek approach Cain at a tea party event on October 1, and the pair engaged in a conversation that day.

Full story here -->:wave:
 

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Interesting.

Full story here -->:wave:

Glenn Beck interviewed the reporter, Amy Jacobson on Tuesday. Bialek asked Amy to accompany her to the TEA party rally. It was not an accidental observation by Amy. Amy indicated she heard not a word exchanged between Bialek and Herman Cain. Bialek was one of many people who introduced themselves to Herman Cain that day.

End of story ... the rest of it is ... She said - He said ...
Except for the part about Bialek being obviously aggressive.
"It was more like she put her arms around him. She didn't corner him, but I can use the basketball term, boxed him out," Jacobson said of the encounter."
Witness saw Herman Cain and accuser together last month - CNN.com
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Amy Jacobson, no stranger to scandal, could have her own agenda. She used to work with Mancow who specializes in hatefilled invective of the right-wing kind. Her show's website appears agenda driven. Her account may be accurate or it may not.
 
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Why would an accuser hug the person she is accusing?

Cain did not recall meeting...
How many people did he meet that night? How many people did he talk too?
By the witness's report, they were only together a few moments.


I wish Cain would call for the investigation report to be released.

3 other women have accused him candidly.
another accuses him of "stiffing her with the check"?
I think I heard someone say Cain is the man on the grassy knoll.

The payoff?

$46000, much less then any court settlement would be. Commonly in the millions;
"The city of Dallas spent nearly $1.4 million in legal fees"

The average verdict for a sexual harassment suit is $350,000.
WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT

So the settlement is alot cheaper then facing a court.

Cain did not make the payoff, Cain might have been questioned about the incident.

This is a he said, she said, accusation. The report that the NRA(not that one) did would offer their oppinion on the incident.

Like I have said before,
Controlled burn, get all of the major players worst skeletons out, and show them to everyone. Then when Obama's team ambushes them they will have nothing to burn the nominee with.
They will have the flame throwers out, the mud slingers, those character assasins marksmen looking to hamstring the nominee. They have a very little positive platform to stand on, they want the opponent to fall before before the king does. Make sure there is no fuel for them to ignite controversy.
 
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Why would an accuser hug the person she is accusing?

I have to agree with this. Someone already posted that the source for this one is not very credible. Besides, there would surely be pictures if this had happened since it was such a big gathering of people.

I wish Cain would call for the investigation report to be released.

This is a he said, she said, accusation. The report that the NRA(not that one) did would offer their oppinion on the incident.

You mean the settlement? The lawyer for one of the women who filed the complaints against Cain in 1999 has said it'd be made public in few days time, but before that they're trying to contact the other woman who also signed the settlement.
 
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I have to agree with this. Someone already posted that the source for this one is not very credible. Besides, there would surely be pictures if this had happened since it was such a big gathering of people.



You mean the settlement? The lawyer for one of the women who filed the complaints against Cain in 1999 has said it'd be made public in few days time, but before that they're trying to contact the other woman who also signed the settlement.
Gosh ... where's all your bleeding-heart sensitivity, sympathy and concern for this poor soul, PeterNY? You express empathy and distress for these female "victims" who have endured callous and untoward chauvinistic male gestures. Are you such a heartless clod that you can't leave this one poor soul alone?

The woman signed a confidentiality agreement for crying out loud. Perhaps she truly wants the confidentiality agreement to be honored. Did you ever consider that, PeterNY? Did ya?

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You seem to be mixing people up, Mr. Hawk. Bialek never signed any confidentiality agreements as she is not one of the two people who filed complaints in 1999.
LOL ... Great response, PeterNY. Slick Willy couldn't haven't have twisted and lied about it any better.


But, no ... I didn't confuse anything. You said ...
... they're trying to contact the other woman who also signed the settlement.

... and, I said:
"Gosh ... where's all your bleeding-heart sensitivity, sympathy and concern for this poor soul, PeterNY? You express empathy and distress for these female "victims" who have endured callous and untoward chauvinistic male gestures. Are you such a heartless clod that you can't leave this one poor soul alone?

The woman signed a confidentiality agreement for crying out loud. Perhaps she truly wants the confidentiality agreement to be honored. Did you ever consider that, PeterNY? Did ya?"


settlement <==> confidentiality agreement

So, are ya gonna answer the question, PeterNY?

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You seem to be mixing people up, Mr. Hawk. Bialek never signed any confidentiality agreements as she is not one of the two people who filed complaints in 1999.

Feel sympathy for a talk radio host? That's a dangerous road to take. :p

You are correct. None of the women who signed a confidentiality agreement has disussed the facts of their cases. nighthawke has once again misunderstood the facts.
 
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settlement <==> confidentiality agreement

So, are ya gonna answer the question, PeterNY?

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Oh right, since I was talking about Bialek I assumed you would be doing so as well. They haven't brough the other accuser's name to public since she hasn't indicated that she wants to go public, that's why they're contacting her.

And about the gag order?

NRA confirms former settlement with Cain | Nation's Restaurant News

"The NRA also has agreed to waive the settlement&#8217;s nondisclosure agreement."

It's been lifted. That's why there even is talk about the settlement being made public, since, you know, it's legal now.
 
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You are correct. None of the women who signed a confidentiality agreement has disussed the facts of their cases. nighthawke has once again misunderstood the facts.
LOL ... you're twisting and contorting again this morning, too ...


Wrong again, SOAD. From the National Journal: NationalJournal.com - Woman Who Settled Complaint Against Cain Plans Press Conference Soon - Wednesday, November 9, 2011
The attorney for Karen Kraushaar, the U.S. Treasury employee who settled a sexual harassment grievance against Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, said on Wednesday that his client will hold a joint news conference with women who have made similar claims against Cain.

At the press conference, Kraushaar also plans to make public the multi-page complaint she filed when she worked for Cain at the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, said attorney Joel Bennett.

Sharon Bialek, the Chicago woman who went public with her story on Monday, will participate in the presser with Kraushaar, Bennett said. He is reaching out to other women who’ve complained about sexual harassment by Cain, including one who now lives in New Jersey. The joint event will be held in a matter of days, Bennett said, and Kraushaar will either release or read the detailed complaint she filed against Cain when he headed the trade group from 1996 to 1999. The complaint led to a $45,000 settlement between the trade group and Kraushaar. Bennett has described the abuse by Cain as “a series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances.”

Kraushaar is one of two women who filed workplace complaints about inappropriate sexual overtures from Cain when they worked for him at the NRA. The other woman, the New Jersey resident, has not been publicly identified, and neither has a woman who did not file a complaint back then but recently told the Associated Press that she too was sexually harassed by Cain at the NRA.

Kraushaar is a communications director for the Treasury’s inspector general. Until now, she has opted to remain out of the public eye, instead having Bennett rebut Cain’s repeated statements that her claims were “baseless” and that the $45,000 she received when she left her job at the association was a severance package and not part of a sexual harassment settlement. When her name leaked on Tuesday in an obscure online publication, other media outlets published and broadcast it, and Kraushaar reluctantly decided to go public.


Her complaint against Cain had been kept private as part of a confidentiality agreement, but the terms of that agreement no longer apply, according to Bennett and recent statements by the NRA.
My question to PeterNY still stands.
 
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"The NRA also has agreed to waive the settlement’s nondisclosure agreement."

It's been lifted. That's why there even is talk about the settlement being made public, since, you know, it's legal now.
You are being incredibly insensitive, PeterNY.

Do you seriously not realize that?


Confidentiality agreements are signed to protect both parties. The fact that the NRA has released the woman from the agreement does not mean that the NRA, Joel Bennett or Karen Kraushaar are free to discuss this other woman or the details of her complaint.

Check with a lawyer if you don't believe me.

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LOL ... you're twisting and contorting again this morning, too ...

Am I?


Wrong again, SOAD.
Am I?


From the National Journal:
At the press conference, Kraushaar also plans to make public the multi-page complaint she filed when she worked for Cain at the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, said attorney Joel Bennett.



So the facts of the case have not yet been released. Looks like I am correct :wave:
 
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You are being incredibly insensitive, PeterNY.

Do you seriously not realize that?


Confidentiality agreements are signed to protect both parties. The fact that the NRA has released the woman from the agreement does not mean that the NRA, Joel Bennett or Karen Kraushaar are free to discuss this other woman or the details of her complaint.

Check with a lawyer if you don't believe me.

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And confidentiality agreements can be broken, as well. Kraushaars lawyer said they will be able to discuss the details since the gag order is lifted. That's why, as you posted from National Journal, they plan to make the complaints public.

Here's Cain's chance to shine. If the comment about height is all there is, then Cain will be shown to have been innocent. If there is more? Well, he already has denied that there is anything else - though that was when he didn't know the gag order was lifted. We'll see.
 
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And confidentiality agreements can be broken, as well. Kraushaars lawyer said they will be able to discuss the details since the gag order is lifted. That's why, as you posted from National Journal, they plan to make the complaints public.

Both the NRA and Kraushaar are already free to discuss everything about her complaint and settlement.

Apparently, they are now attempting to convince Bennett's other client to release everyone from confidentiality. Looks like that's not happened yet. So, once again I ask you, PeterNY: Why are you so insensitive to this other woman's apparent desire to be left alone?

Here's Cain's chance to shine. If the comment about height is all there is, then Cain will be shown to have been innocent. If there is more? Well, he already has denied that there is anything else - though that was when he didn't know the gag order was lifted. We'll see.
No. There is absolutely no chance you or any of the other sometimes irrational and shrill voices on this forum will let this rest. You know that. I know that. Likely, most other folks here know that, too.


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Both the NRA and Kraushaar are already free to discuss everything about her complaint and settlement.

Yep, seems NRA doesn't want this to be kept hidden so they've accepted to lift the gag order.

Apparently, they are now attempting to convince Bennett's other client to release everyone from confidentiality. Looks like that's not happened yet. So, once again I ask you, PeterNY: Why are you so insensitive to this other woman's apparent desire to be left alone?

This is getting really sad already. First you say you want the truth, now that the truth is coming forth you start saying things like this. Lets see if the woman wants to be left alone or not. Why don't you like the idea of the settlement's content becoming public?


No. There is absolutely no chance you or any of the other sometimes irrational and shrill voices on this forum will let this rest. You know that. I know that. Likely, most other folks here know that, too.

No-one who accuses Cain has a leg to stand on if it turns out the height comment is the only thing mentioned in the settlement. On the other hand, if there's a lot more - as Kraushaars laywer has said there is - it means that Cain has been caught lying about that as well. We'll see.
 
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This is getting really sad already. First you say you want the truth, now that the truth is coming forth you start saying things like this. Lets see if the woman wants to be left alone or not. Why don't you like the idea of the settlement's content becoming public?
So, if she wants to be left alone, you're fully supportive of that?

No-one who accuses Cain has a leg to stand on if it turns out the height comment is the only thing mentioned in the settlement. On the other hand, if there's a lot more - as Kraushaars laywer has said there is - it means that Cain has been caught lying about that as well. We'll see.
LOL ... you'll call him a liar anyway ... just like you've been doing ... without any evidence. I predict, that won't change.

Only question is whether you might quit at some point ... and what might prompt that.

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Why would an accuser hug the person she is accusing?

"It was more like she put her arms around him. She didn't corner him, but I can use the basketball term, boxed him out," Jacobson said of the encounter.

I've been boxed out. I wouldn't call it huggin.
 
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Why would an accuser hug the person she is accusing?

Cain did not recall meeting...
How many people did he meet that night? How many people did he talk too?
By the witness's report, they were only together a few moments.

He's shook hands and chatted with thousands. Nuf said. Another smear fails.
 
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