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I further explained that God does not want luke warm fense sitters. I think it stands to reason that most people would prefer to sit on the fense. But With God you have to go one way or the other. If you continue to sit on the fense then you will be counted as being against God. This maybe a little bit advanced for you to understand but one place you can see this is the Luke Warm Church in Rev. Some of the translators use the words: want, hope, wish, would, desire and so on. "I would thou wert cold or hot." That does not mean these people are not saved. It does mean that they do not represent God and they do not speak for God. This way we can know that the people who are approved by God to represent God, to speak for God are not lukewarm people. Remember this is just an example to help you to better understand this concept. In this way God makes it VERY clear who represents Him and who represents the truth and who does NOT represent Him and the truth. This is NOT a discussion on who is and who is not saved. Although the concept we are talking about could apply to that.
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:17 Because thou sayest *, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [/FONT]
God says: "I counsel thee". Do we really need to go into a expository discussion on what that means? The way this was explained to me is that God would not "counsel" us to do something that we were not able to do. He clearly tells us that He will provide a way for us. This is another area that you could write a whole book to explain the different scriptures involved in this. It would require some effort on your part to learn and study these concepts to really begin to understand. If the concept of "free will" is of interest to you then you could read the Wiki artical or do a google search and study up on this belief. That may not be as Bible based as what I would put together, but then at least you would know what I am refering to and talking about. It is a fairly standard term or concept.
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Oh, sure.
The medieval Bible people could never have understood that the seven "days" were actually seven long Eras of time, so they understood the Bible the best they could then.
Churches have great difficulty in admitting their ancient lessons were not correct and need up dating, so the creationism has continued long after it is clearly wrong.
Today, we need read the word "day," to mean Age or long duration gas it is defined in the Hebrew:
7) Cenozoic Duration:
6) Mesozoic Duration:
5) Paleozoic Duration:
4) Proterozoic Duration:
3) Archean Duration:
2) Hadean Duration:
1) The Cosmological/Formative Duration
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It doesn't, and there's no evidence of that happening here, with you or anyone else. What we see distancing people is when they attempt digging below the surface, (an admirable goal IMHO) only to come up with wildly off-base conclusions. There are specific ways to avoid this pitfall; chiefly don't arrive at conclusions hastily but compare them to the whole of Scripture, as well as comparing them to a good local Church you are part of, due to knowing people in it whom you trust.
This is a ridiculous strawman, as well as a flame. Do refrain! Why would you feign to speak from such a POV, or for those that have gone through a process you haven't?
This is a problematic viewpoint. It contradicts Scripture. This "pulling everyone towards Him" has a Scriptural term, the drawing Power of the Holy Ghost. The Bible says G-d does that to everyone, and we have the choice to harden our heart against that, or Love Him.
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So it does not present a problem for you that the days or ages were a different length?
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Yet there are people like Calvin who would say that the Love of God and the Grace of God is so amazing that we are not able to resist. Still I would tend to agree that the invitation is for everyone or whosoever is willing, let them come to God.
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I disagree.
Because that is exactly how it appears, and it's not limited to Christians. People are really good at convincing themselves of something, then ignoring anything that would make them realise they're wrong.
Yet Jazer is telling me something different.
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Actually I read both answers (Jazer's and mine) and we are both saying the same thing.
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No, he's not. He specifically said he agrees. In this same post you state a much more significant position, based on the same general problem (which is correctable)
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It doesn't bother him to make up a "cosmological era" and then lump it in as a "geological era."
It's all an allegory for him. Of course he doesn't see a problem.
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Their answer for that is we really do not know who is and who is not a christian. So if they walked away then that is evidence that they were not really a christian. I remember attending a church once and when I went to get my jacket it was gone, someone had taken it. I was surprised that someone took it and even more surprise that someone in a church took the jacket. Eventually I decided that we do not know, it could have been a unsaved guest that was attending the service. But as time when by things use to happen at that church with people that there is just no way they could have been saved. But they sure looked like Christians, they fit in and seemed like everyone else.
The story goes that when we get to Heaven there will be three surprises. First surprise is that we are there. The second surprise is the people that are there that we never thought would make it. The third surprise is the people that we were sure would be there that did not make it. That is why I often assume that people on here are going to get saved or in some cases may already be saved but still want to claim that they are an infidel. There reaction today may not be the one we want. But 5 years from now the Holy Spirit may take something we said cause them to remember it and use it in their life.
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And I'm telling you that the free choice comes in when one can push back.
And unlike physics, that says an action has an opposite and equal reaction, one can push back harder than he was pushed in the first place.
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What you need to do is read the Bible for yourself and pray for God to help you understand what your reading. I would not depend on anyone other then God or the Holy Spirit of God to help you to understand.
If you were sick would you ask people to help you. Or would you go direct to God and pray and ask for Him to bring about healing in your life? You maybe very disappointed in life if you depend on people rather than to trust in the God that created you and the Universe you live in. With God His promise to us is that we will not ever be disappointed when we trust in Him.
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Pre-Clovis Mastodon Hunters Make a Point
"Scientists used DNA and radiocarbon dating to demonstrate that the point came from a mastodon bone shaped into a weapon by humans and used a startling 13,800 years ago. That's nearly 1000 years before the Clovis culture, long considered to be the first culture in the New World. "
A Big-Game Hunt by Early North Americans
Its the first hunting weapon found pre-Clovis, said the lead author, Michael R. Waters, an archaeologist at Texas A&M University. These people were hunting mastodons.
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You're still presenting a false dichotomy, and you still don't see it. It's really not that complex. G-d has said He will give Light and Faith to every person. He has also said He will not tolerate obstinate disobedience forever. We do have a hand in this, in a sense we each cut our own covenant with the Lord, and in a sense we each either enter into the covenant He offers us, or we don't.
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