Media Bias Exposed -- Razin' Cain

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When all you're doing is criticizing my use of "early to mid", it's semantics. Had you commented on the actual topic after correction, then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
It isn't semantics since the dates were critical. The misrepresentation appeared to support your position whereas reality refuted it. I merely pointed out the reality



I can read a thread and comment on things people are doing in it. If I think you're just playing semantics games with other posters, I can criticize that.
Of course you can even if you're wrong. But it doesn't make sense for you to say it was in response to me criticizing your words when you had no words.
 
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It isn't semantics since the dates were critical. The misrepresentation appeared to support your position whereas reality refuted it. I merely pointed out the reality
My point was that internet media in the 1990s at any point does not even begin to compare to the internet in 2011. All you did was essentially tell me it was "mid to late" rather than "early to mid". That doesn't refute my point at all.

Of course you can even if you're wrong. But it doesn't make sense for you to say it was in response to me criticizing your words when you had no words.
You either seriously don't understand what I've said, or you're being deliberately obtuse. When I said you were criticizing my words, I was specifically referring to the part where you were correcting the "early to mid" bit. That's it. My opening comment was about other posters. My "yes" comment was about the early to mid correction.

If you don't get it by now, I'm not going to bother trying to explain it again.
 
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Media bias writer Bernie Goldberg had an article the other day on the Herman Cain sexual harassment scandal. I thought he made some nice points, and in particular not so much the press, but what happened in the "civil rights" leaders Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? If Cain was liberal the two would be in front of the press screaming racism. But now they are silent.

"What if Herman Cain Were a Liberal?"

The Media Double Standards

From his article:

But day in and day out there are Herman Cain sex scandal stories on the air and in the press, even though we don’t know what he allegedly did or to whom he did or didn’t do it. Part of the blame, of course, goes to Herman Cain himself for his amateurish handling of the story. But let’s go back to my handy-dandy rule of thumb: reporters salivate more when they’re going after conservative Republicans than liberal Democrats. That’s why they won’t let this one go.

Imagine if Herman Cain were a liberal and all this was happening to him. And while we’re at it, imagine that Clarence Thomas was also a liberal. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be on television day and night screaming racism. “First they try to bring down a black man nominated for a seat on the Supreme Court,” they would say, “then they try to bring down a black man leading in the polls who is running for president.” And the editorial board of the New York Times would be working overtime to portray their critics as world-class racists. But because they’re conservatives, the liberal civil rights establishment goes silent.

So, is race involved in the Cain sex scandal? Not in any traditional way. His critics aren’t racists in the way we usually mean it. They don’t hate black people because they’re black. But make no mistake: liberals – in and out of the media – hyperventilate when a conservative black man gets too powerful. Black folks aren’t allowed to stray from the liberal plantation. Liberals are the benefactors of black people – at least that’s how they see themselves – and a black man with a conservative message – a message that says, “We don’t need your paternalism” — poses a threat to their image of themselves as good white people who really, really care about black folks — black folks who could never make it in society if it weren’t for liberal support.

Politico broke the Cain story but hasn’t told us where they got it. Politico doesn’t have to give us a name of its confidential source, but it does need to tell us his or her motive. We know that whoever leaked the story was trying to hurt Herman Cain. But that’s not enough. We need to know, for example, if it was some other politician trying to bring Cain down. That would be important news....
 
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My point was that internet media in the 1990s at any point does not even begin to compare to the internet in 2011. All you did was essentially tell me it was "mid to late" rather than "early to mid". That doesn't refute my point at all.


You either seriously don't understand what I've said, or you're being deliberately obtuse. When I said you were criticizing my words, I was specifically referring to the part where you were correcting the "early to mid" bit. That's it. My opening comment was about other posters. My "yes" comment was about the early to mid correction.

If you don't get it by now, I'm not going to bother trying to explain it again.
Those of us who were actually using the Internet in the mid to late 90's know how much difference your error made. Noting that the Lewinsky scandal broke predominantly on the Internet in, oops, the mid 90's, noting also that all of the scandals mentioned in the OP were mid to late 90's. You found yourself to be in error because you relied on the misinformation provided by someone else. That should be a lesson to do your own research, not an exercise in ridiculing others by calling it a semantics game when in fact you were wrong and I was accurate
 
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Those of us who were actually using the Internet in the mid to late 90's know how much difference your error made. Noting that the Lewinsky scandal broke predominantly on the Internet in, oops, the mid 90's, noting also that all of the scandals mentioned in the OP were mid to late 90's. You found yourself to be in error because you relied on the misinformation provided by someone else. That should be a lesson to do your own research, not an exercise in ridiculing others by calling it a semantics game when in fact you were wrong and I was accurate
I worked in the computer industry in the mid 90's, and there was not much to the internet back then. Funny you keep bringing up Lewinsky when it has been demonstrated multiple times that the OP does not include Lewinsky. Your straw man has been burning all night, time for more straw. :wave:
 
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I worked in the computer industry in the mid 90's, and there was not much to the internet back then. Funny you keep bringing up Lewinsky when it has been demonstrated multiple times that the OP does not include Lewinsky. Your straw man has been burning all night, time for more straw. :wave:
Tell that to Matt Drudge :wave:
 
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Why should I? He was not responsible for breaking any of the scandals in the OP. Why don't you just drop this Lewinsky and Drudge nonsense?
He was responsible for breaking the news about a scandal on the Internet in the mid 90's, a time you claim there wasn't much of an Internet.
 
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Well that didnt take long. The site claimed the Broaddrick rape allegation only received 3 stories, and all in the WSJ. In less than 30 seconds I found this CNN story:

Http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/01/poll/
Thank you for making rebuttal of your rebuttal so easy, RealDeal.

The three stories on the CBS, ABC and NBC networks were broadcast after the story originally broke in the Wall Street Journal.

The chart in the OP is about stories only on ABC, CBS and NBC. The Media Research Center claim is that a total of three stories about Broaddrick were broadcast on the three major broadcast networks of ABC, CBS and NBC.


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Thank you for making rebuttal of your rebuttal so easy, RealDeal.

The three stories on the CBS, ABC and NBC networks were broadcast after the story originally broke in the Wall Street Journal.

The chart in the OP is about stories only on ABC, CBS and NBC. The Media Research Center claim is that a total of three stories about Broaddrick were broadcast on the three major broadcast networks of ABC, CBS and NBC.


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When are you going to show us the statistics used in the OP? I have been waiting for a day for you to prove that your thread is presenting accurate facts.
 
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Ahh ... so you're saying it takes all three broadcast networks plus a full-time cable news network, plus all print journalism to combat the truth? Guess that's probably always been the case for propaganda, huh?
I didn't say that at all and you know it. There is a term for that - straw man. Do you think anyone is fooled by that?
 
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Still has nothing to do with the OP :wave:
It does indeed since it was first claim that the stories in the OP broke "before there was an Internet" and thene, proven wrong, the goalposts were moved to "there was not much of an Internet". Yet during the same period the period of the dotcom bubble I might add, Matt Drudge broke a story on the Internet, which you claim wasn't that big of a deal. By the way, the Drudge story on Lewinsky was actually part of the Paula Jones case, so your claims fail on more than one level.
 
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It does indeed since it was first claim that the stories in the OP broke "before there was an Internet" and thene, proven wrong, the goalposts were moved to "there was not much of an Internet". Yet during the same period the period of the dotcom bubble I might add, Matt Drudge broke a story on the Internet, which you claim wasn't that big of a deal. By the way, the Drudge story on Lewinsky was actually part of the Paula Jones case, so your claims fail on more than one level.

Drudge had nothing to do with any of the scandals in the OP. Your failure is complete. I have had enough of this nonsense, and I hope others just simply ignore your semantic games. tootles :wave:
 
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Drudge had nothing to do with any of the scandals in the OP. Your failure is complete. I have had enough of this nonsense, and I hope others just simply ignore your semantic games. tootles :wave:
I am with you :thumbsup:
 
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When are you going to show us the statistics used in the OP? I have been waiting for a day for you to prove that your thread is presenting accurate facts.

You can hasten the waiting period by disproving the article referenced in the OP, SOAD. Should be pretty simple.

Step 1: Obtain transcripts of morning and evening news broadcasts for ABC, NBC and CBS.
Step 2: Search transcripts for references to Clinton's babes.
Step 3: Tally references.
Step 4: Compare to MRC already tabulated results.
Step 5: Post any discrepancies, complete with all relevant details, here.

As always, offered in the spirit of sharing and communicating.
 
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You can hasten the waiting period by disproving the article referenced in the OP, SOAD. Should be pretty simple.

Step 1: Obtain transcripts of morning and evening news broadcasts for ABC, NBC and CBS.
Step 2: Search transcripts for references to Clinton's babes.
Step 3: Tally references.
Step 4: Compare to MRC already tabulated results.
Step 5: Post any discrepancies, complete with all relevant details, here.

As always, offered in the spirit of sharing and communicating.

In other words, you cannot produce evidence to support your thread. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
I do not have to disprove anything which has not yet been proven :wave: The proving part is your job.
 
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Thank you for making rebuttal of your rebuttal so easy, RealDeal.

The three stories on the CBS, ABC and NBC networks were broadcast after the story originally broke in the Wall Street Journal.

The chart in the OP is about stories only on ABC, CBS and NBC. The Media Research Center claim is that a total of three stories about Broaddrick were broadcast on the three major broadcast networks of ABC, CBS and NBC.


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From the OP article:

"For Juanita Broaddrick, who
came forward in February 1999 to say Clinton raped her, only three stories
followed charges appearing in the Wall Street Journal."

That claim the by the OP article is a blatant lie as proven by the cnn story I linked.
 
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I didn't say that at all and you know it. There is a term for that - straw man. Do you think anyone is fooled by that?
No. Wasn't trying to fool anyone.

It wasn't intended as a strawman, DaisyDay. Just simple humor, really.

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