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yeshuasavedme · Nov 4, 2011

brinny said:
Scripture links would be most appreciated. Thank you.

Gladly, but I have to get off this thing and do housework already....be back at a later time.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 4, 2011

brinny said:
What an intriguing study this is.

It is even more intrigueing if one looks at it as "COVENANTLE" :pray:

God's Word · Nov 4, 2011

brinny said:
Perhaps, however, i prefer to start with Who this God is Who calls Himself the God of Israel. There's a history to this name. It is unfolding for me, through reading the Bible like a tapestry, woven by God Himself, from beginning to end. He changes not. I am studying the details on this name he calls Himself (amongst others). For now, i am focusing on the "God of Israel".

Thank you kindly for your input.

brinny:

Understood. I'll just add this to my previous comments and hopefully quickly tie it all together:

Exodus 32:25-29

"And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies): Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, WHO IS ON THE LORD'S SIDE? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. And he said unto them, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses; and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves today to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day."

This was right after the incident with the golden calf. Here, THE GOD OF ISRAEL, through Moses, instructed the Levites who chose to be on the LORD's side and therefore received the blessing of the priesthood to slay their own idolatrous brothers, companions and neighbours. Again, I'm merely seeking to show that THE GOD OF ISRAEL is the God of those who are truly on His side and not just Israelites by birth.

brinny · Nov 4, 2011

Originally Posted by brinny
Perhaps, however, i prefer to start with Who this God is Who calls Himself the God of Israel. There's a history to this name. It is unfolding for me, through reading the Bible like a tapestry, woven by God Himself, from beginning to end. He changes not. I am studying the details on this name he calls Himself (amongst others). For now, i am focusing on the "God of Israel".

Thank you kindly for your input.

God's Word said:
brinny:

Understood. I'll just add this to my previous comments and hopefully quickly tie it all together:

Exodus 32:25-29

"And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies): Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, WHO IS ON THE LORD'S SIDE? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. And he said unto them, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses; and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves today to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day."

This was right after the incident with the golden calf. Here, THE GOD OF ISRAEL, through Moses, instructed the Levites who chose to be on the LORD's side and therefore received the blessing of the priesthood to slay their own idolatrous brothers, companions and neighbours. Again, I'm merely seeking to show that THE GOD OF ISRAEL is the God of those who are truly on His side and not just Israelites by birth.

Great Bible verses, yet there is no mention of the "God of Israel". Here's what i'm studying on:

Does the name "God of Israel" originate from the re-naming of Jacob to "Israel"?

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 4, 2011

brinny said:
Great Bible verses, yet there is no mention of the "God of Israel". Here's what i'm studying on:

Does the name "God of Israel" originate from the re-naming of Jacob to "Israel"?

Whoa! This is interesting.
The phrase "God of Israel" is only mentioned 2 times in the NT according to this concordance. Never noticed that before :sorry:

First time used:

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

NKJV) Exodus 5:1 Afterward Moses and Aaron went in and told Pharaoh, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel: 'Let My people go, that they may hold a feast to Me in the wilderness.' "

NKJV) Matthew 15:31 So the multitude marveled when they saw [the] mute speaking, [the] maimed made whole, [the] lame walking, and [the] blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.

NKJV) Luke 1:68 "Blessed [is] the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV
"god of israel"
occurs 203 times in 201 verses in the KJV

brinny · Nov 4, 2011

LittleLambofJesus said:
Whoa! This is interesting.
The phrase "God of Israel" is only mentioned 2 times in the NT according to this concordance. Never noticed that before

First time used:

NKJV) Exodus 5:1 Afterward Moses and Aaron went in and told Pharaoh, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel: 'Let My people go, that they may hold a feast to Me in the wilderness.' "

NKJV) Matthew 15:31 So the multitude marveled when they saw [the] mute speaking, [the] maimed made whole, [the] lame walking, and [the] blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.

NKJV) Luke 1:68 "Blessed [is] the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV
"god of israel"
occurs 203 times in 201 verses in the KJV

Awesome!!! This part of the tapestry is slowly coming through the fog. Glory be. Thank you :clap:

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 4, 2011

brinny said:
Awesome!!! This part of the tapestry is slowly coming through the fog. Glory be. Thank you

Wasn't Jesus a type of Moses in the NT? Just as Moses was sent by Yahweh to the Israelites in bondage in Egypt, so was Jesus sent by Yahweh to those in bondage to the corrupt Judean rulers in Jerusalem.
Kewl! Onward thru the fog I say! ehehe

Exodus 7:1 And Yahweh is saying unto Mosheh "see! I give thee as Elohiym to Par`oh, and 'Aharown thy brother shall be thy prophet;

Mark 14:53 And they led away Jesus toward the Chief-priest, and are coming together to Him all the chief-priests, and the elders, and the scribes;
　
NKJV) Jeremiah 50:6 " My people have been lost sheep. Their shepherds have led them astray; They have turned them away [on] the mountains. They have gone from mountain to hill; They have forgotten their resting place.

NKJV) Matthew 10:6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
NKJV) Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

God's Word · Nov 4, 2011

brinny said:
Great Bible verses, yet there is no mention of the "God of Israel".

brinny:

Yes, there was a mention of the God of Israel. Here's the pertinent verse:

And he said unto them, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

Again, it was "the God of Israel" who instructed the Levites to kill other Israelites. IOW, this is just one of many examples where we see that THE GOD OF ISRAEL does not mean the God of all naturally born Israelites.

brinny said:
Here's what i'm studying on:

Does the name "God of Israel" originate from the re-naming of Jacob to "Israel"?

Yes and no.

"Yes", in the sense that we don't hear mention of the name "Israel" until God changes Jacob name. Again, Jacob did have God for his God, so he could rightly call Him "the God of Israel". In stark contrast, "no", in the sense that many Israelites did not truly have God as their God and therefore could not rightly call Him by such a title. IOW, they worshipped a different God than their forefather Jacob/Israel worshipped.

Also, and most importantly of all, Jacob's life, like the lives of many other Old Testament saints, "prefigured" certain aspects of Christ's life. As such, our focus really out to be on Jesus Christ, the anti-type, rather than on the "type". Anyhow, here's the name change:

Genesis 32:27-28

"And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, BUT ISRAEL: FOR AS A PRINCE HAST THOU POWER WITH GOD AND WITH MEN, AND HAST PREVAILED."

God renamed Jacob "Israel" for or because as a prince he had power with God and with men and had prevailed. Could this be better said of anyone other than JESUS CHRIST? That's my point. His name change really pointed towards JESUS CHRIST, the One Who truly has power with God and with men and has prevailed. IN THIS SENSE, most importantly, God truly is the God of Israel or the God of all those who truly belong to JESUS CHRIST.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 4, 2011

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Saucy · Nov 4, 2011

Israel was a person and Israel is a nation and people. Jehovah God is their God, their Father. Different nations had different Gods, most of them had many different Gods.

God's Word · Nov 4, 2011

Saucy:

I love that "STOP FOLLOWING ME!" graphic. Can I borrow it to use elsewhere (I deal with a lot of people who believe in evolution)?

LLoJ:

I didn't know that I was in line for blessings. That's not why I participated, but thanks anyway.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 4, 2011

God's Word said:
Saucy:

I love that "STOP FOLLOWING ME!" graphic. Can I borrow it to use elsewhere (I deal with a lot of people who believe in evolution)?

LLoJ:

I didn't know that I was in line for blessings. That's not why I participated, but thanks anyway.

Hello GW
Do you post much on the Creation/Evolution board?

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Habakk · Nov 4, 2011

The name Israel (besides meaning the nation or the man) means a prince with God or he who rules or strives with God. Maybe it can be put another way by saying who is on the Lord's side.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 4, 2011

Habakk said:
The name Israel (besides meaning the nation or the man) means a prince with God or he who rules or strives with God. Maybe it can be put another way by saying who is on the Lord's side.

I brought that up in an earlier post....not that anyone pays much attention to what I post

http://www.christianforums.com/t7605551-5/#post58947849

brinny · Nov 4, 2011

Habakk said:
The name Israel (besides meaning the nation or the man) means a prince with God or he who rules or strives with God. Maybe it can be put another way by saying who is on the Lord's side.

Interesting. From reading "God of Israel" in the Bible it seems to point to something similar, with depth and layers to it.....

beautiful to study and ponder on this, isn't it?

Thank you.

God's Word · Nov 4, 2011

LLoJ said:
Hello GW
Do you post much on the Creation/Evolution board?

LLoJ:

To my recollection, I've never even visited that part of this forum. Quite frankly, I neither have the time to nor the desire to. I'm pretty much "evolutioned" out. Anyhow, I don't want to derail the thread, but I just wanted to answer your question. Thanks.

brinny · Nov 4, 2011

Originally Posted by brinny
Great verses, thank you. Why is He called the "God of Israel"?

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would say this verse explains it

Young) Genesis 32:28 And he saith, `Thy name is no more called Jacob, but Israel; for thou hast been a prince with God and with men, and dost prevail.'

The only time those 2 are mentioned together in the NT is this 1 verse in Romans

http://www.christianforums.com/t7364825/#post54059380
Romans Chapter 11

Young) Romans 11:26 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob,

Yes! This is awesome!!! This depth to these verses of Jacob and why he was re-named Israel....aah, yes, more of the tapestry is coming into view from the fog...

Sorry i'm late responding..i had to get off the site for 1:15pm prayer time.

BEAUTIFULLY exquisite verses, thank you

yeshuasavedme · Nov 4, 2011

Habakk said:
The name Israel (besides meaning the nation or the man) means a prince with God or he who rules or strives with God. Maybe it can be put another way by saying who is on the Lord's side.

Actually, Adam was the first human being "ish", and the second is He who is the sar/prince, God/El. So He is the Ish-Sar -El, shortened to "Israel", and that is the name of the second human being creation made as a temple for the Glory to bear, which Adam, the first human being race creation, lost at the fall. The Firstborn/Head of the New Man race is Christ come in flesh of that second human being creation flesh.
ישראל Yisra'el is a contraction of:
איש 'iysh
שרה sarah
אל 'el

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