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Archaeopteryx said:

Conservatives can be such jerks. But don't take it personally Edwin. I'm only speaking generally, like you.

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THE LITTLE RED HEN

The Modern Little Red Hen -OR- The Incredible Bread Machine (Ronald Reagan) (Holistic Theory) - YouTube
Tell me, Archaeopteryx, who is the jerk in this story?

Ton80 said:

Sure it is your fault. Don't make general statements about liberals or other groups of people and you will not have others criticizing your comments.

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I'm sure he wouldn't mind if we took the broad brush out and starting making general comments (read insults) about persons whose forum usernames began with 'Edwin.' They're not personal insults, just 'general comments' about Edwins. How could anyone get offended by that?

Come on Hawkeye, the graphic in post # 61 is way too large and makes it difficult to read this thread.

Please delete it or downsize the graphic, thanks.

Ton80 said:

Come on Hawkeye, the graphic in post # 61 is way too large and makes it difficult to read this thread.

Please delete it or downsize the graphic, thanks.

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Oops ... didn't intend to post that ... was looking for something better. Please re-read updated post above.

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NightHawkeye said:

MODERN VERSION
Once upon a time, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat.
She called her neighbors and said, "If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?"
"Not I," said the cow.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Out of my classification," said the pig.
"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.
"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
At last it came time to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen.
"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.
"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.
"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.
"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen.
She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share.
But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves."
"Excess profits!" cried the cow.
"Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck.
"I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose.
And the pig just grunted.
And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."
"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.
"Exactly," said the agent. "That is the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide their product with the idle."
And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful. I am grateful."
But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread.
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Tell me, Archaeopteryx, who is the jerk in this story?

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No one. It's a fiction.

Archaeopteryx said:

No one. It's a fiction.

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That answer explains a lot, LOL.

Let's try one a little more concrete, then ...

The Little Red Hen 2.0 - YouTube


Who's the villain here?


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NightHawkeye said:

That answer explains a lot, LOL.

Let's try one a little more concrete, then ...

The Little Red Hen 2.0 - YouTube


Who's the villain here?


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Humpty Dumpty On Wall Street - YouTube

Archaeopteryx said:

Humpty Dumpty On Wall Street - YouTube

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I'm shocked, Archaeopteryx. I thought for sure you would have a winning argument for redistribution of wealth.

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NightHawkeye said:

I'm shocked, Archaeopteryx. I thought for sure you would have a winning argument for redistribution of wealth.

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You never requested such an argument. You presented a parody of a common children's story - I responded in kind.

Archaeopteryx said:

You never requested such an argument. You presented a parody of a common children's story - I responded in kind.

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OK, then ...

Was just kinda hoping that an educational story could help elevate the conversation up from "jerk" name-calling.

... I tried.

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NightHawkeye said:

THE LITTLE RED HEN

MODERN VERSION
Once upon a time, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat.
She called her neighbors and said, "If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?"
"Not I," said the cow.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Out of my classification," said the pig.
"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.
"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
At last it came time to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen.
"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.
"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.
"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.
"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen.
She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share.
But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves."
"Excess profits!" cried the cow.
"Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck.
"I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose.
And the pig just grunted.
And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."
"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.
"Exactly," said the agent. "That is the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide their product with the idle."
And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful. I am grateful."
But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread.
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Tell me, Archaeopteryx, who is the jerk in this story?

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To be closer to reality the story should be that the red hen owns the wheat, the field and the ovens. The others gather the wheat and bake the bread. They each get 1/4 loaf and have to pay 25% of that to the farmer. The red hen keeps 4 loaves and due to tax loopholes that the he lobbied the farmer for pays nothing to the farmer. Then later when the others say they want more of the share of the bread and they want to red hen to pay is fair share to the farmer the red hen calls them lazy communists.

Ann is right! Black conservatives do not see racism in everthing and do not expect endless government handouts. They are better educated and a more upscale demographic. The extreme left in the democrat party wants to keep blacks dependent on the goverment so the can stay in power.

kermit said:

To be closer to reality the story should be that the red hen owns the wheat, the field and the ovens. The others gather the wheat and bake the bread. They each get 1/4 loaf and have to pay 25% of that to the farmer. The red hen keeps 4 loaves and due to tax loopholes that the he lobbied the farmer for pays nothing to the farmer. Then later when the others say they want more of the share of the bread and they want to red hen to pay is fair share to the farmer the red hen calls them lazy communists.

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Hi, kermit.


Thus, potentially begins a genuine conversation ...

Would you consider that perhaps the hen is a mere peasant? She is "red", after all. How does that change your story?

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NightHawkeye said:

THE LITTLE RED HEN

The Modern Little Red Hen -OR- The Incredible Bread Machine (Ronald Reagan) (Holistic Theory) - YouTube

MODERN VERSION
Once upon a time, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat.
She called her neighbors and said, "If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?"
"Not I," said the cow.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Out of my classification," said the pig.
"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.
"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.
At last it came time to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen.
"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.
"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.
"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.
"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.
"Then I will," said the little red hen.
She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share.
But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves."
"Excess profits!" cried the cow.
"Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck.
"I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose.
And the pig just grunted.
And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."
"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.
"Exactly," said the agent. "That is the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide their product with the idle."
And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful. I am grateful."
But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread.
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Tell me, Archaeopteryx, who is the jerk in this story?

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It sounds to me like that farmer should send all his animals off to join the circus. Talking animals that are leeching off the hard work of the farmer. Get them to start giving speeches for the Ringling Bros. lecture circuit. And if the chicken is able to do baking? Perhaps he should be in charge of catering...

NightHawkeye said:

Would you consider that perhaps the hen is a mere peasant? She is "red", after all. How does that change your story?

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It doesn't, but it shows that you are obessed with color. Just kidding.

Supposing the red hen is a peasant doesn't make the your story any more based in reality. No one is trying to punish those work hard hard and succeed. But when you look at the people who have succeeded the most you start to see a pattern that a large portion of their success is not due to their hard work , but rather by gaming the system in their favor.

DaisyDay said:

Jon Stewart has weighed in:

Conservative Minorities vs. Liberal Minorities - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11/02/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

Start at 3:17 (if you want to skip over the Donald Trump portion).

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It was full of win imho.

kermit said:

No one is trying to punish those work hard hard and succeed.

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Not punish? How about we talk specifics.

Let's start subtracting from the salary of just moderately successful people ... not the really wealthy as defined by Obama.
30% for federal income tax
10% social security taxes
6% state income tax
5% property tax

Already, it's over 50% in taxes ... that's not punishment? How much is their fair share, then? Not that most people complain really. Life is good, overall. Mostly, they just grumble about the IRS and the woefully inefficient use of the money being sucked up by the federal government.

The TEA party's big complaint is the unstainability of it all.

kermit said:

But when you look at the people who have succeeded the most you start to see a pattern that a large portion of their success is not due to their hard work , but rather by gaming the system in their favor.

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Let's separate out two things here ...

First ... few people game the system. My own modest success, such as it is, has come after putting myself through school ... more years than I care to remember ... and helping my employers produce substantive products for society.

Second ... those gaming the system are the big corporations, a few super-rich, and unions, all of which ... as a matter of record ... contribute to political parties. The results have been to game the system, but not necessarily in the simplistic manner you suppose, kermit.


Any chance we're in agreement so far? See any factual errors so far?

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also you have to see if those people were poor starting off, or if they already had assets in life that helped them to get to that place. i dont think people in south central la are able to afford to go to school and people dont want hire ghetto people. and the thing is the tea party believes in big business that started the mess, so there going against their own belief.