Coulter: Our Blacks Are So Much Better
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Well that's fine Kat, but none of that is what I said or intimated. And you're probably right that if he only acted in the interest of blacks he'd get accused thus - and rightly so.
However my question was to name one thing he's done to benefit blacks, which was asked in the context of black leadership in general, having asserted what a disservice black leadership has been for blacks in general. That was the context.
No, I don't expect Barack Obama to single out one group of Americans and focus his energies on just them. He's president of all groups of Americans. Still, the question remains - what has he done to benefit blacks? It's a perfectly legitimate question - and no different than asking of a Republican or Democrat president what they've done for Republicans or Democrats in general.
Moreover, it's a perfectly legitimate question in the general sense as well. What one thing has Barack Obama done to help anyone out in this country? He ordered Bin Laden's death; that was good... so there, maybe that's the answer...
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Oh my; I completely forgot about that.There is that tanning tax which blacks don't have to pay. Admittedly, it's an indirect benefit and it's fractions of a penny on the dollar, but still it counts as a benefit to blacks.
There, now ya got one.
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- He ordered Bin Laden's death (benefit for all Americans)
- He excluded blacks from the tanning tax.
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obama has to take the speck out of his own eye before he can take the speck out of his brothers eye. meaning he has to fix the government that the conservatives screwed up before he can do anything else.
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That's a horrifyingly insensitive sexist thing to say about the woman. I'm shocked!
[NHE briefly savors the rich irony of the moment.]
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I'm absolutely defending her. Are you suggesting I'm a "psychotic [fill in the blank] beast?"
(Let's see how far the irony lasts)
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i dont see the difference when republicans cut jobs to help the wealthy when a close to a third of the middle class are the republicans. if its true. both are thirsty for power.
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DISCLAIMER: I only know one black person (my best friend growing up) and I haven't talked to him in a few years, so I'm probably racist.
It is obvious that Ann Coulter isn't in it to convert liberals. I think we can all agree on that. Like every pundit, she's found an audience and panders to them to pay the bills; she just happens to be a bit more "into" it. At least she got us talking right? I'm sure pretty much everyone on this thread has put more thought into their posts than Coulter did in her remark.
I think one thing that hasn't been said yet in this thread but has been constantly hinted at is that there is massive overlap between the black community and those living in poverty, or those working to end it. To assume most blacks vote one way or another because of other black people seems a bit disingenuous; it's more likely that they tend to vote democrat because democrats support welfare programs and such. Having a new conservative black man isn't necessarily going to automatically win them over (well most of them anyway) because he's, well, still conservative.
It is obvious that Ann Coulter isn't in it to convert liberals. I think we can all agree on that. Like every pundit, she's found an audience and panders to them to pay the bills; she just happens to be a bit more "into" it. At least she got us talking right? I'm sure pretty much everyone on this thread has put more thought into their posts than Coulter did in her remark.
I think one thing that hasn't been said yet in this thread but has been constantly hinted at is that there is massive overlap between the black community and those living in poverty, or those working to end it. To assume most blacks vote one way or another because of other black people seems a bit disingenuous; it's more likely that they tend to vote democrat because democrats support welfare programs and such. Having a new conservative black man isn't necessarily going to automatically win them over (well most of them anyway) because he's, well, still conservative.
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I used to think Ann's l'enfant terrible schtick was just that. Performance art of some sort. These days I can only conclude the woman takes herself as seriously her sycophants do which means she's nutzo.
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Seriously? You're getting to be as bad as Ann herself.
Name some...
Neo-cons and deficit hawks who were socially liberal
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I didn't put any words in your mouth and you know it. You said that liberals do that and I am a liberal, but I don't do that.
You know very well that it is not against the rules to tell lies about your fellow posters, but the mods will sanction anyone who calls the deed by its name.
Are you kidding? That is saying nothing about blacks and everything about people who make such a claim. I am astounded that you could be so ignorant of such a common expression and its meaning that you would get it completely backwards.
It's disrespectful, but not towards blacks. Coulter is objectifying blacks, "our blacks" as though they are not individual persons like herself, and I am ridiculing her for that with this expression.
Yeah, right - the little joke is directed at Coulter and her attitude towards blacks.
No, you haven't yet apologized for telling that [untruth] about me.
Absolutely.
No, I think, jokingly, that she would CLAIM that some of her best friends are black. This is a well-known saying - do you really need it explained to you?
It has nothing to do with blacks themselves and everything to do with certain peoples' attitudes towards blacks. Do you really need to have that expression explained to you?
That's your apology? Great.
Great - you'll apologize then in the very same sentence repeat the same offensive [untruth] about me again.
Oh. So you are perfectly aware of what the expression means in general parlance.
No, it does NOT demean blacks in the least - it demeans condescending hypocrites. If somebody said of a misogynist that some of his best friends were women (the expression is flexible for various occasions), I would not take that comment to reflect on women, but, rightly, on the misogynist.
I've heard that some people were literally unable to understand sarcasm.
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How right you are! I mean, if we can't expect the president of the U.S. to know the name of every single head of all 280-some odd nations around the world, well then, they just shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office. I mean, really!
Yeah, exactly! What are we looking for in a president? A rocket scientist?
Oh wait. Herman Cain actually was a rocket scientist.
But still, Obama went to elite schools and was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. However... He steadfastly refuses to make any of his grades public and he, strangely, never published even a single article in the Harvard Law Review.
Well, okay, is it too much to ask for someone with executive experience, and who has actually accomplished something?!?
Oh. Just a second. Herman Cain took, not one, but two huge, but failing, nation-wide companies and turned them around into successful, money-making enterprises. And, he didn't have his life handed to him on a silver platter every step of the way, but actually had to work for his achievements.
But still, look! Obama took his elite, ultra-expensive education and became a... community organizer. So there.
Well, fine. But don't you want somebody who, at least, loves his country?
Hmmm. Herman Cain does readily profess his love for America and his belief in American exceptionalism.
But, on the other hand, Obama counts people like domestic terrorist Bill Ayers among his close friends and attended Rev. Jeremiah Wright's anti-American, racist-spewing church for two decades. Soooo... You know... There's that.
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Ann is that you?
So those conservatives were championing a liberal position? Good for them.
No it's not. That's your opinion.
Good for you.Though I do remember a while back that you were talking about civility in discourse (well actually, it was more akin to lecturing people on civility). I'm fairly confident that now is the time to apply what you were talking about to Coulter and to yourself. Or is civility only useful to you in so far as it scores cheap political points?
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Yeah, you're right, Ann Coulter is an obvious racist. In fact, her and those other obvious racists -- Tea Partiers and right-wing Republicans -- are trying so hard to hide their obvious racism that they're willing to elect a black man like Herman Cain president of their country just to do it.
(However, just between you and me, DaisyDay, any of the true racists that I've ever had the displeasure of meeting couldn't care less that anybody thinks of them as racist, don't even try to hide it, and would never in a million years place their vote for a coloured-person to lead their country in an effort to hide it. I mean, that just makes no sense. But that's just between you and me. Shhh. Don't tell anybody.)
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I made a general comment about liberals and you chose to make it personal, as if it were a comment about you specifically. That's not my fault. And it is putting words into my mouth because like it or not, it was NOT directed at you specifically. How you chose to receive it was your choice, and nothing more than that - your choice.
Again, I made a general comment and you chose to take it personal. No one "lied" about you, though this whole line of accusation is beginning to take the form of a lie about me.
I didn't need to apologize, for my comment was a general comment. I am sorry you took it personally. But nowhere did I lie about you.
I'm also aware of how blacks - [[oops generalization, note to self, mustn't generalize...]] - those blacks to whom I made that comment received it. Let me assure you it was explained to me in great detail how offensive it was to them, by them; and I took their umbrage at the comment as credible for that reason, and noted it here based on that.
From *your* perspective, you may not have intended any disrespect, just as from mine neither did I - but intentions do not (unless without much explanation) an offended party's feelings assuage (as is quite obvious here).
...and general commentary too apparently.
I think we've spent quite enough of everyone's time discussing what you think I said on this thread and how it made you feel. If you care to discuss it further I suggest we take it off line. Feel free to PM me if you have more you care to say on this matter and I'll be glad to discuss it as reasonably and dispassionately as possible.
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Conservatives can be such jerks. But don't take it personally Edwin. I'm only speaking generally, like you.
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Sure it is your fault. Don't make general statements about liberals or other groups of people and you will not have others criticizing your comments.
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