Poll: The President Most Americans Would Bring Back? Ronald Reagan

lordbt said:

If that is all true, why isnt he a liberal icon?

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Wolseley said:

Obama is a socialist progressive. That's almost human. I'll concede that much.

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Obama is not a socialist.

Archaeopteryx said:

Obama is not a socialist.

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But he has to be! After all, he isn't Ronald Reagan.

stamperben said:

But he has to be! After all, he isn't Ronald Reagan.

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Wolseley said:

Obama is a socialist progressive. That's almost human. I'll concede that much.

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Cannot even give Obama enough credit to call him human. Sad and pathetic.

stamperben said:

But he has to be! After all, he isn't Ronald Reagan.

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By today's standards (at least by the standards employed by some conservative thinkers) it seems that even Reagan would be called a 'socialist progressive'.

Some conservatives have a knee-jerk reaction whereby they label 'socialist' anything that is to the left of themselves.

There's a reason Reagan is remembered fondly:

Reagan - Tear Down This Wall - YouTube

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Ton80 said:

Cannot even give Obama enough credit to call him human. Sad and pathetic.

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Well, if he isn't human then he must be some sort of alien who came from another planet. Ergo, he is not a natural born citizen.

NightHawkeye said:

There's a reason Reagan is remembered fondly:



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That was all for show. The USSR was going to fail regardless of what Reagan said and did. Reagan was in the right place at the right time, that's all.

LinuxUser said:

I will never respect the idiot in there now who is ruining this great country.

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Interesting assessment. I think by any metric, if you and Obama were in a room and he wasn't the president of the U.S. you'd be up against ridiculously intelligent individual.

I don't know if you have been around many lawyers, let alone ones from Ivy League schools. One doesn't perform at that level and be an "idiot".

Now arguably if we were to have a president who, say, after being rasied by one of the richest and most powerful families in the U.S., was given an oil business in a major oil state after getting a business degree at Harvard but then ran it into the ground, and could barely string 2 sentences in english together in public we could call that person an idiot.

But while you may seriously disagree with Obama's policies because they are not yours, I suspect you would not be able to support the claim he was an "idiot".

NightHawkeye said:

I checked the book reviews on Amazon. The reviewers gave the book only 2-stars ...

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Oh well, QED! I guess.

I can certainly see how folks at the New york Times would identify with having been crushed by Reagan. They were left out in the cold ... just as Ronald Reagan did to Communism. Perhaps they expected better?

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Ummm, do you know how "Reagan" won the Cold War? He happened to be the president who sat at the end of America's economic expansion and who was willing to put even more debt on us in order to spend the Russians into the ground.

Reagan indeed was willing to massively expand military spending and there was no way the USSR could keep up. They were already on the ropes (after Afghanistan, interesting parallel, dontcha think?) and Reagan was the icing on 50 years of American economic power.

I don't disagree that Reagan crushed the USSR by leveraging the combined work of millions of Americans over the previous 50 years and he was willing to massively increase spending (wow, that sounds so....conservative!) until the USSR collapsed.

But did we really "win"? Is Russia today a place most of us would want to live? Is it really a shining beacon of democracy?

Did we crush and decimate the USSR only to watch a limping deformed monstrosity of corruption re-establish itself within 20 years under Putin, former KGB?

Hmmmm. Yes Reagan's legacy is lasting:

1. Deregulation mania (which helped lead us to more economic crises in the past 20 years than we had in the previous 40).

2. The fall of the USSR only to be replaced by Putin's Oligarchy

3. A steady decrease in the top marginal tax rate (now even lower than Reagan oversaw!)

4. An almost non-stop DISPROOF of "trickle down economics" for 30 years!

The comparisons with prophecy are inescapable.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
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Reagan's looking pretty genuine to me

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workers of iniquity? Were those who disagreed with Reagan workers of iniquity?

How about the president who oversaw one of the largest expansions of the military in modern history. Do you think he ever read this:

Mt.26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

... though I welcome additional evidence to the contrary.

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Well, as per usual, you asked for my supporting documentation and I gave it to you and I can't help it if you disagree with it. I don't necessarily know that you or I are more correct on this matter. Just reporting what I read.

Wolseley said:

We don't know that. He hasn't condescended to release his academic records, now, has he?

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Obama never seems to go without a teleprompter anymore, either. Weird.


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Wolseley said:

Can't even give Reagan enough credit to admit he ended the Cold War. Sad and pathetic.

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Reagan didn't end the Cold War himself. He was very willing to outspend the USSR so he was the final definitive nail in the USSR coffin. He does deserve credit for being a demogogue on the topic (from his days of denouncing other Americans before HUAC) to his firm anti-communist stance in his presidency, but it wasn't Reagan alone.

We don't know that. He hasn't condescended to release his academic records, now, has he?

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So you think the Harvard Law Review just chooses its president because he or she's the dumbest person around?

And interestingly enough Obama did his undergrad at Columbia.

I've worked for Columbia University briefly and I'm relatively aware of how American academic institutions work (having spent plenty of time the product of state schools), so I am willing to assume that not one but two Ivies were probably not just "passing him through".

Recently I've taking some classes related to patent law as part of my job and I'm always impressed at how hard legal topics are. I have a doctorate in the physical sciences and legal stuff is not a cake walk! I can't imagine what it must take to get a law degree from one of the most prestigious law schools in the U.S. And I'm quite doubtful that such a university would "gamble" on someone who didn't have at least most of what it took. At least none of the "Ivy" graduates I've met in most fields were "idiots".

Oh, btw, did George W. release his college transcripts? Or were they leaked?

NightHawkeye said:

Obama never seems to go without a teleprompter anymore, either. Weird.


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Funny thing is Ronald Reagan was a trained Hollywood actor with years of experience supposedly memorizing lines and HE USED A TELEPROMPTER TOO!

Weird.



(HINT TO CONSERVATIVES WHO SEEM TO KNOW NOTHING OF HISTORY: Pretty much every single U.S. president since Johnson has used teleprompters. Yup. That's about 50 years of presidents there. But by all means make fun of Obama using a teleprompter. But then Obama wasn't a trained actor whos main job in life would have required his ability to memorize lines. Just sayin'....)

Wolseley said:

Can't even give Reagan enough credit to admit he ended the Cold War. Sad and pathetic.

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I did not call him sub-human like you did to Obama.

Your attempt at retaliation failed.

We can debate the end of the cold war; there is not debate that Obama is human.

Wolseley said:

We're standing on the brink of the next dark age, folks. People will someday look back on the coming period with horror and amazement, and will thank God fervently that they didn't live through that time.

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Apparently optimism is not in your vocabulary

It is obvious that you have not paid much attention to the trials and tribulations that each generation endures and comes through. You are fixated on doom and gloom without realizing that this is life.