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Patriotism is loyalty to your country. The pledge is to one nation under God with liberty and justice for all. What do you find questionable about that? Children need to know that that is what being a citizen is about. We have high goals but noble ones. Ignorance about stuff like contributes to kids despairing and getting into drugs and dissipation.

Well, the whole "under God" bit for one. And how does ignoring the pledge lead to any of those things? The only example I personally know of would be...well, myself. And as things are I"m currently in a high demand rate in the military while most of the others from my school are racking up student debt. So ya, there goes drugs, and dissipation. Both get ya booted pretty quick as of right now. And any despair I had came long before I actually thought about what pledging allegiance really meant.
 
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Well, the whole "under God" bit for one. And how does ignoring the pledge lead to any of those things? The only example I personally know of would be...well, myself. And as things are I"m currently in a high demand rate in the military while most of the others from my school are racking up student debt. So ya, there goes drugs, and dissipation. Both get ya booted pretty quick as of right now. And any despair I had came long before I actually thought about what pledging allegiance really meant.

Are you living in such a way that reinforces the pledge of allegiance or are you living counter to what it stands for. Read it and think about it before you answer please.

My line of thought is Americans are drifting away from being morally right and it is not in our best interests to do so on a variety of levels. From unjust wars to social decay America is falling from grace.
 
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Are you living in such a way that reinforces the pledge of allegiance or are you living counter to what it stands for. Read it and think about it before you answer please.

My line of thought is Americans are drifting away from being morally right and it is not in our best interests to do so on a variety of levels. From unjust wars to social decay America is falling from grace.
And who are you to decide for other Americans what is morally right?
 
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In the Declaration of Independence you are endowed by your creator with certain unalienable rights. You might want to pay lip service to that. Rights given by man can be easily stripped from you. Rights granted by God will be protected by people who claim to serve God. Now that seems kind of strange and like it doesn't make sense but it does. If you look at how atheist countries treat their citizens versus how other countries do I think you will see a difference.
Well I live in a mostly non-christian country. On the whole people are treated better here than in the US. You do realise that your country decided to no longer be a signatory to the International Declaration of Human Rights don't you? So sorry gonna have to disagree. Your argument also does not make sense. The declaration of independance is a man made document yet you quote that as proof that God has given you rights which can not be stripped away????


Patriotism is loyalty to your country. The pledge is to one nation under God with liberty and justice for all. What do you find questionable about that? Children need to know that that is what being a citizen is about. We have high goals but noble ones. Ignorance about stuff like contributes to kids despairing and getting into drugs and dissipation.
So how do you define "one nation"? Is there not alot of people who are just out for themselves? Is every decision and law passed in the best interests of the country? If not then calling it one nation is a bit misleading imo.
 
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Unlike the second poster(below my op)
I am disappointed in a fellow Air Force veteran feels it is wrong to have their child recite a pledge.
I am not outraged.

I thought it strange, someone that swears to fight anyone the goverment wants, would not love country enough to pledge allegiance to it.

What sort of good Christian would swear allegiance to a false idol like the flag of the U.S. Empire?
I give my life, my soul to God, I swear allegiance to my country. The two never cross. God first, then country, no false idols.

I support every persons right to speak freely, but I also will voice my oppinion on what they say.

I support schools saying the pledge each morning, I believe our schools need to do more to support good citizenship. It is really sad that new legal immigrants know more about protocol, the pledge, and citizenship then adults that are born here.
 
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I support schools saying the pledge each morning, I believe our schools need to do more to support good citizenship. It is really sad that new legal immigrants know more about protocol, the pledge, and citizenship then adults that are born here.
So what makes someone a good citizen and why? I just don't understand how saying a pledge of allegiance makes you a good citizen. Are we saying you can go out and bash people up but as long as you say the pledge your a good citizen???

I personally would look at a persons actions. I work in a field where the clients are always making promises to do this or that. Do they actually follow it through? Alot ofthe time no. So perhaps that is why I look at actions because they really do speak louder than words.

So define what makes a good citizen and why.
 
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Are you living in such a way that reinforces the pledge of allegiance or are you living counter to what it stands for. Read it and think about it before you answer please.

My line of thought is Americans are drifting away from being morally right and it is not in our best interests to do so on a variety of levels. From unjust wars to social decay America is falling from grace.
About the last four words of it. "Liberty and justice for all" is really the only part I find an inherently good meaning in, and would actually stand up for.
And as for social decay, well....we've always been corrupt, the only difference between before and now is we hid it under the rug, and felt ashamed of anything not "the norm."
 
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Unlike the second poster(below my op)
I am disappointed in a fellow Air Force veteran feels it is wrong to have their child recite a pledge.
I am not outraged.

I thought it strange, someone that swears to fight anyone the goverment wants, would not love country enough to pledge allegiance to it.

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Money bro. The military offers excellent financial security, not to mention the free medical.
 
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Read more: Air Force Veteran Angry That Daughter's School Is Asking Her To Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance | Fox News

A Veteran that has a problem with swearing allegiance?

There is nothing wrong with swearing allegiance to our country. It does not place the US above any other in culture. It merely says that if it comes down to it, my allegiance is first and foremost with the USA.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
She did alot more then pledge allegiance when she enlisted.
Yes, I once made the mistake of swearing an oath allegiance to this "great Christian nation". Then I saw people die for this supposed "great Christian nation" and freedom, and justice, and revenge in Afghanistan. Never again will I put my life in danger for this country, for the wealthy class who profit off of our lives and the lives of my friends who were lost or were almost taken. I try to forget those terrible things as much as possible, but I will never forget those who were lost. I will never swear allegiance to anything or anyone again as long as I live.
 
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Getting offended... for the sake of getting offended.

As far as I'm aware, the United States is a pretty patriotic nation- probably the most patriotic.

Patriotism is a religion here, unfortunately.

It's pretty alien to me, considering most of school mates didn't know more than one line of God Save the Queen, or even that it is the national anthem.

Most of us don't know our national anthem either :)

But she's making a big deal over nothing. She doesn't have to love America, but she is living there. And until she isn't, she should at least respect the patriotism exerted by the great majority of Americans. Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance won't do her child any harm. It has no xenophobic or racist sentiment, as far as I'm aware.

When I was in school, I never did the pledge, and no one ever noticed. I just thought it was stupid. I often even did the Nazi arm salute thing, just to see if anyone would notice, no one ever did. I'm Jewish is so that ok btw. Nowadays, I clearly have a 'no love' policy for my country, and I do wish I could live elsewhere. And unfortunately, patriotism in this country often/usually does involve xenophobia or racism, hence the stupid idea we have here of 'American exceptionalism.'
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Perhaps you simply fail to understand what it really means to be patriotic? Do you really think that pledging alliegence to a flag (a meaningless act) proves that someone loves thier country?

Perhaps he has a problem with the assertion that this nation is truely under some God he may or may not recognize... perhaps he has a problem with the part that says with liberty and justice for all because he knows that were not there yet.

What we do know is that he swore to protect and defend our constitution, and that instead of just reciting hollow words he helped defend our great nation.

Yes, I don't trust any veteran who has a problem with patriotism.
 
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I would just like to take a moment to marvel at the writings from the first page: Only the US has freedom of speech and saying a woman of African descent is "out of her cotton-pickin' mind". Amazing stuff all in all.

Amazing? That is your average everyday talk here. What is even spectacular is when you find out this 'woman of African descent' is still on the liberal plantation!

I am still laughing at a republican friend of mine who told me there is no more racism in America.
 
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