Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?

Mike Elphick said:

Although they brush if off, the universe’s apparent age is a major problem for those claiming a six-day creation.

Click to expand...

People who don't believe in God
have a problem with a six day creation as well as all of the passages below. None of them will be in good sync with 3rd party examination.
If you saw the play or movie JC Superstar......observerers said...."He's DAAN-----GEER-----OUSSSS!"


4 Young Man from Nain Luke 7:11-17
5 Cleansing a leper Matthew 8:1-4 Mark 1:40-45 Luke 5:12-16
6 The Centurion's Servant Matthew 8:5-13
Luke 7:1-10 John 4:46-54 7 Healing the mother of Peter's wife Matthew 8:14-17 Mark 1:29-34 Luke 4:38-41
8 Exorcising at sunset Matthew 8:16-17 Mark 1:32-34 Luke 4:40-41
9 Calming the storm Matthew 8:23-27 Mark 4:35-41 Luke 8:22-25
10 Gerasenes demonic Matthew 8:28-34 Mark 5:1-20 Luke 8:26-39
11 Paralytic at Capernaum Matthew 9:1-8 Mark 2:1-12 Luke 5:17-26
12 Daughter of Jairus Matthew 9:18-26 Mark 5:21-43 Luke 8:40-56
13 The Bleeding Woman Matthew 9:20-22 Mark 5:24-34 Luke 8:43-48
14 Two Blind Men at Galilee Matthew 9:27-31
15 Exorcising a mute Matthew 9:32-34
16 Paralytic at BethesdaJohn 5:1-18
17 Man with withered Hand Matthew 12:9-13 Mark 3:1-6 Luke 6:6-11
18 Exorcising the blind and mute man Matthew 12:22-28 Mark 3:20-30 Luke 11:14-23
19 An Infirm Woman Luke 13:10-17

Loudmouth said:

So says the Disciple of Phillip Henry Gosse. It is such a problem that you have to resort to Last Thursdayism.

Click to expand...

LLOJ once again heads for wiki!

Philip Henry Gosse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search
Philip Henry Gosse
Philip Henry Gosse, 1855
Born6 April 1810 (1810-04-06)
WorcesterDied23 August 1888 (1888-08-24)
Torquay, TorbayNationalityEnglishFieldsNaturalist

Philip Henry Gosse[1] (6 April 1810 – 23 August 1888) was an English naturalist and popularizer of natural science, virtually the inventor of the seawater aquarium, and a painstaking innovator in the study of marine biology. Gosse is perhaps best known today as the author of Omphalos, an attempt to reconcile the immense geological ages presupposed by Charles Lyell with the biblical account of creation.

SkyWriting said:

People who don't believe . . .

Click to expand...

What does belief have to do with it? If the Earth is young you should be able to demonstrate it through evidence independently of any belief.

You don't have to believe that the Earth is old. We can provide EVIDENCE that the Earth is old. Belief has nothing to do with it.

LittleLambofJesus said:

LLOJ once again heads for wiki!

Click to expand...

AV's embedded age solipsisms started with Gosse. It was considered bad theology then, and that was in the mid 1800's. Even in 1850 the evidence for an old earth was so convincing that theologians were trying to explain it away with Last Thursdayism just like AV is now.

steve_bakr said:

LOL, it's my signature verse.

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

Click to expand...

Young) Revelation 7:12 saying "Amen!
The blessing, and the glory, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the honour, and the power, and the strength, [are] to our God--to the ages of the ages! Amen!"

Cindy Cruse Ratcliff - Come Now Is The Time To Worship & Here I Am To Worship - YouTube

Skaloop said:

I don't see how that verse relates at all to the issue of belly buttons.

Click to expand...

I didn't follow that either.

Loudmouth said:

What does belief have to do with it? If the Earth is young you should be able to demonstrate it through evidence independently of any belief.

You don't have to believe that the Earth is old. We can provide EVIDENCE that the Earth is old. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Click to expand...

No....... We would classify a six day creation as an intervention into our realm. A Miracle from God. Like all the miracles listed, they defy examination by bystanders. You in particular. Like any HEALING for example, it would seem "old" to you. For me, (the healed person) it would be new. You...old. Me...new. If you were there when it happened......new. If you came upon it the next hour....old.


But wait. You have me stumped. HOW EXACTLY would we expect God to create the universe in 6 days and have it LOOK as if it was 6 days old? We don't have any standards to measure a 6 day creation, quicksetting lava, quick cooling volcanoes......scientifically we (sciency types) have no standards to gauge a 6-day creation event. So, in the case that the world WAS created in 6 days, we (sciency types)would have no way to objectively demonstrate that it was because we would have no way to reproduce the event a second time.

So I'm afraid your request for objective proof must be denied because 1. God was involved and 2. even if it was a totally natural event, it couldn't be repeated. But we are pretty sure that a 6 day event would have had God involved. And that would mess up all our lab notebooks that we need to repeat the event. Because you need a baseline for your experiments.

Loudmouth said:

AV's embedded age solipsisms started with Gosse. It was considered bad theology then, and that was in the mid 1800's. Even in 1850 the evidence for an old earth was so convincing that theologians were trying to explain it away with Last Thursdayism just like AV is now.

Click to expand...

Ya lost me on that

Originally Posted by Skaloop I don't see how that verse relates at all to the issue of belly buttons.

Click to expand...

SkyWriting said:

I didn't follow that either.

Click to expand...

Me neither

SkyWriting said:

No....... We would classify a six day creation as an intervention into our realm.

Click to expand...

Evidence for this intervention please.

Like all the miracles listed, they defy examination by bystanders.

Click to expand...

Miracles can be examined. However, fantasies that never happened can not. This is the problem. You invent fantasies and then ask why Science can not investigate them. Well, gee, I wonder.

You have completely invented an "intervention". Science can not investigate your fantasies.

Like any HEALING for example, it would seem "old" to you. For me, (the healed person) it would be new. You...old. Me...new. If you were there when it happened......new. If you came upon it the next hour....old.

Click to expand...

Where did you show that a "healing" would appear new through scientific evidence?

steve_bakr said:

LOL, it's my signature verse.

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)

Click to expand...

Still.....it made me think.

SkyWriting said:

Still.....it made me think.

Click to expand...

Think of what

Loudmouth said:

If the Earth is young, you should be able to demonstrate it through evidence, independently of any belief.

You don't have to believe that the Earth is old.
We can provide EVIDENCE that the Earth is old. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Click to expand...

Of course: The earth is not only OLD, it is in fact ancient

which, when you think of it, is beyond Magnificent...

The Earth was Created, & assembled... from other materials, BILLIONS of years ago.
Yet,
Every year, like Clock-work, this earth SPRINGS forth in Majestic-beauty... as tho
it was her FIRST-season so to do...

So consider if you will US, in our own body... this constant REnewal

SkyWriting said:

Click to expand...

I like that first one -- STATE THE PROBLEM --

Who says it's a "problem"?

In other words, scientists are setting themselves up as the world's problem solvers.

Okay, science, I'll state a problem: Abortion is murder.

Let's see you work on it and get it solved.

Otherwise, get off my doorstep and don't call me -- I'll call you.

AV1611VET said:

I like that first one -- STATE THE PROBLEM --

Who says it's a "problem"?

In other words, scientists are setting themselves up as the world's problem solvers.

Okay, science, I'll state a problem: Abortion is murder.

Let's see you work on it and get it solved.

Otherwise, get off my doorstep and don't call me -- I'll call you.

Click to expand...

That one is covered by step two. Once you gather information, you clearly see that abortion is not murder. Problem solved.

AV1611VET said:

I like that first one -- STATE THE PROBLEM --

Who says it's a "problem"?

In other words, scientists are setting themselves up as the world's problem solvers.

Okay, science, I'll state a problem: Abortion is murder.

Let's see you work on it and get it solved.

Otherwise, get off my doorstep and don't call me -- I'll call you.

Click to expand...

Then again, maybe they won't

AV1611VET said:

Don't count on it.

I know from experience that it's you guys who have 'major problems' with it -- not us.

Of course, you guys have 'major problems' with any creation paradigm -- so let's not just pick on the six-dayers, eh.

Click to expand...

Oh, come on AV, we've been over this before when I joined CF . We all know you have a sort of thingy about "maturity without history" (a variation of embedded ageism), so you don't have an issue with it because you have convinced yourself .

I'm not the first to identified the problem. It was Phillip Henry Gosse who wrote a book about it: that was in 1857, a couple of years before Darwin's On the Origin of Species. Gosse was a devout Christian and a creationist, and expected his book to be well received, but it wasn't because the Christian community could not accept that God could be so deceptive (actually, Gosse never implied this in his book).

Ever since, the problem of creation of a mature world that obviously has a history has been brushed under the carpet by creationists. But as I see it, it is still an unresolved problem for young Earth creationists. It's all explained in the article I quoted.

SkyWriting said:

Mike Elphick said:

Although they brush if off, the universe’s apparent age is a major problem for those claiming a six-day creation.

Click to expand...

People who don't believe in God
have a problem with a six day creation...

Click to expand...

Actually, many more people around the world, who believe in God, including Christians, don't accept a six-day creation.

SkyWriting said:

... as well as all of the passages below. None of them will be in good sync with 3rd party examination.

Click to expand...

None of the verses you cited has anything to do with the subject matter, and I don't understand why you posted them.

Nobody knows them, so then nobody can know can they? Anything else is speculation and theories.

Sorry, but this has got to be one of the least important silliest threads I have ever ran across any type of forum