Bible Questions

mdseverin · Sep 27, 2011

I am starting this thread for anyone to post general questions about chapters, verses, or interpretation in the Bible.

In Genesis 18, is it believed that the three men represent the trinity? I never quite understood this chapter and who these men were. Were there three men and God, or was one of the three God?http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18&version=ESV

bbbbbbb · Sep 27, 2011

mdseverin said:
I am starting this thread for anyone to post general questions about chapters, verses, or interpretation in the Bible.

In Genesis 18, is it believed that the three men represent the trinity? I never quite understood this chapter and who these men were. Were there three men and God, or was one of the three God?

That is a good question. Some have interpreted these three individuals as being the three persons of the Trinity. Others do not see them as such, but merely as visitors, possibly angelic in nature. The Bible itself does not give much help in interpreting who they were. It comes down to personal interpretation which is merely a matter of pious opinion.

mdseverin · Oct 11, 2011

Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

This verse always sticks out to me because Jesus was not dead for 3 nights. He was killed in the afternoon on Friday so that would be day 1 and then Fiday night would be night 1. Saturday would be day and night 2, then Sunday morning would be day 3. What baout night 3? Am I missing something?

Mark_Sam · Oct 12, 2011

mdseverin said:
Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

This verse always sticks out to me because Jesus was not dead for 3 nights. He was killed in the afternoon on Friday so that would be day 1 and then Fiday night would be night 1. Saturday would be day and night 2, then Sunday morning would be day 3. What baout night 3? Am I missing something?

My Norwegian Bible has a footnote on this verse, which says "part of a day or a night could be counted as a day and a night". Much like if I work for 1 hour and 35 minutes, I'll get paid for working 2 hours.

GA777 · Oct 12, 2011

mdseverin said:
Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

This verse always sticks out to me because Jesus was not dead for 3 nights. He was killed in the afternoon on Friday so that would be day 1 and then Fiday night would be night 1. Saturday would be day and night 2, then Sunday morning would be day 3. What baout night 3? Am I missing something?

He didnt say that he will be dead for 3 days and 3 nights. He could have still been in the heart of the earth while being alive

My thought

mdseverin · Oct 17, 2011

Anyone have a thought on this? Matthew 11:3 John the Baptist asks, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”

But in Matthew 3:14 John the Baptist asked Jesus “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

Can anyone help me out on understanding why John would change his view on Jesus. Because it's clear in the beginning John thought Jesus was the Messiah, but chapter 11 he doubts it? I need help connecting the dots.

JCFantasy23 · Oct 17, 2011

Ive never heard that theory before, fascinating.

Jim47 · Oct 17, 2011

In Genesis 18, is it believed that the three men represent the trinity? I never quite understood this chapter and who these men were. Were there three men and God, or was one of the three God?

If you read the scripture you will see that is The Angel of The Lord, which is Christ our Savior, and two angels. The ALord sent off the two angels to check out Sodom, and will later see in the scriptures because these same 2 angels pulled Lot back into the house when the vile men wanted to break down his door. These same 2 angels also escorted Lot and his daughters out of Sodom to safety.

Jim47 · Oct 17, 2011

mdseverin said:
Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

This verse always sticks out to me because Jesus was not dead for 3 nights. He was killed in the afternoon on Friday so that would be day 1 and then Fiday night would be night 1. Saturday would be day and night 2, then Sunday morning would be day 3. What baout night 3? Am I missing something?

At times you have to understand the Hebrews language and culture for things to make sence. Too Hewbrews any part of a day is spoken of as a day. Jesus died at 3pm on friday, that is one day. And of course saturday was a whole day. He arose at day break on sunday. So the 3 days mentioned are spoken of as 3 days, not whole days, but to them 3 days.

Jim47 · Oct 17, 2011

mdseverin said:
Anyone have a thought on this? Matthew 11:3 John the Baptist asks, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?

But in Matthew 3:14 John the Baptist asked Jesus I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?

Can anyone help me out on understanding why John would change his view on Jesus. Because it's clear in the beginning John thought Jesus was the Messiah, but chapter 11 he doubts it? I need help connecting the dots.

John was in prison when he sent his followers to ask this of Jesus. The true meaning is not known, but it believed that he was in anxiety because he knew Herod was taking his head. He therefore wanted to make sure that this man was in deed the Christ. We also need to remember that John was human, not devine, and as such given the circumstances he was in his faith may have been shaken.

Radiata · Oct 20, 2011

Rev 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.
Rev 2:26-28 And he who overcomes and keeps My works to the end, to him I will give power over the nations. And he will guard them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter they will be broken to pieces, even as I received from My Father. And I will give him the Morning Star.
2Pe 1:19 We also have a more sure Word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star arises in your hearts,

Isa 14:12 How you are fallen from the heavens, O Morning Star. How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!

The Isaiah verse is generally used to form the origin story of Satan, but every other instance of "Morning Star" are in relation to Jesus. Any thoughts? Is there something in the original Hebrew and Greek?

mdseverin · Oct 21, 2011

Interesting question Radiata. Morning star is also referenced in Job 38:7 "when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

In this verse it is used in plurality.

mdseverin · Oct 21, 2011

After doing some Google searches, it looks like it is two different words in the original text.

Should the Bible say Lucifer or morning star in Isaiah 14:12? And does it refer to Satan?

Throughout the world, if you ask people who “Heyleel” (hey-LEYL) is, most will not know what to answer. But if you ask them, “Who is Lucifer?” you will very likely get the correct answer. People know who Lucifer is. Ask the Luciferians, who worship Lucifer as a being of light. Ask the Satanists, who call their master Lucifer. No one is in doubt as to who Lucifer is.

What if you ask them, “Who is the morning star?” or “Who is the day star?” Most will know it’s Jesus. Look at these scriptures:

2 Peter 1:19: “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:” Revelation 22:16: “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”

Any translation that says “day star” or “morning star” or “star of the morning” in Isaiah 14:12, like most modern perversions, is bringing confusion. And God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). Many people reading the modern perversions end up asking, “If Lucifer is the morning star and Jesus is the morning star, then is Lucifer Jesus?” The modern translations are simply not clear!
That is not all. The term translated "Lucifer" does NOT at all mean "morning star" or "star of the morning." That would be two totally different Hebrew words. The word means "light-bearer." In Greek it's "heosphoros," “light-bearer.” In Latin it's translated "Lucifer," light-bearer. Whether you say "heylel," "heosphoros" or "lucifer," the meaning is the same: "light-bearer." But only Lucifer communicates who we are talking about in English.
And not only English uses the term. Look at these ancient translations of the word. They also use some form of “Lucifer.”

DaRev · Oct 21, 2011

mdseverin said:
Anyone have a thought on this? Matthew 11:3 John the Baptist asks, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?

But in Matthew 3:14 John the Baptist asked Jesus I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?

Can anyone help me out on understanding why John would change his view on Jesus. Because it's clear in the beginning John thought Jesus was the Messiah, but chapter 11 he doubts it? I need help connecting the dots.

John was not asking for himself, but for the sake of his followers. They were still following John. He wanted them to go to Jesus and to hear from Him directly. John most certainly knew who Jesus was. He knew Him in utero.

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