About Saul/Paul.....
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Revelations; Fresh Manna: I love it: I am reading your post; cant comment right now; trying to get a feel of what is being said:
You speaking about the double portion is encouraging: Your breakdown of the number 5 as it applies to the topic was powerful: Glory to God: I love to see Gods power in the world; encourages me: Bless you
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GLORY TO GOD:
Your words are power: God gets all the glory for that: Glory to God; bless Jesus; one can only grow that strong through loving the Lord; getting close to Him. God blesses us so; Glory to God
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Speaking of the five times “mess” of Benjamin...
The “five times” mess that Benjamin received speaks of the GRACE that was given him. The number 5 symbolizes grace instead of the works of the Law (5 books of Moses). We find the answer to the “mess” of Benjamin right in the same chapter of Genesis 43. Joseph’s first words spoken to Benjamin are the answer. “God be gracious unto thee my son” = Benjamin’s five times “mess” given to him by Joseph.
(Gen 43:29 KJV) And he lifted up his eyes, and saw his brother Benjamin, his mother's son, and said, Is this your younger brother, of whom ye spake unto me? And he said, God be gracious unto thee, my son.
(Gen 43:34 KJV) And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.
The Hebrew word for “mess” is “mas'eth” which means “to lift, raising, GIFT”. The “mess” is an uplifting gift….which is GRACE. The word for “times” is “yad” which is the hand. The “five hands” = the grace of God that lifted Benjamin up.
By GRACE are we raised up together….
(Eph 2:5 KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
The “mess” is the uplifting GIFT of GRACE from God.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
We are not under the works of the Law (5) but under GRACE (5).
(Rom 6:14 KJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
We are not justified by the works of the Law (5 representing the Law). Those who do seek to be justified by the law are FALLEN from the uplifting grace.
(Gal 5:4 KJV) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Now looking at Paul in relation to Benjamin…..
Benjamin’s mess given to him was five times….and they drank and were merry with Joseph.
(Gen 43:34 KJV) And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.
The “five times” mess is the GRACE that was given to Paul because of all the tribulations that his epistles have endured at the mouth of the “messenger of Satan” that has “buffeted” him with his twisting and contorting of Paul’s words.
(2 Cor 12:7 KJV) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
The “five times” mess speaks of the gift of the GRACE of God that is sufficient for him. And so Paul takes pleasure in the “infirmities” that he has had to endure while his epistles are being wrested by fleshly-thinking ministers. He, with all of the brothers, are “merry” with Christ Jesus….
9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Paul’s grace that was given to him is the “five times” gift that was given to Benjamin by Joseph. This gift of grace was perceived by James, Cephas and John.
(Gal 2:9 KJV) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
This given grace of Paul is the “measure” of the gift of Christ….. of “Joseph”.
(Eph 4:7 KJV) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
We are also made partakers of that gift through Paul’s dispensation of the grace of God….
(Eph 3:2 KJV) If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Again….the “gift of the grace of God” given to Paul is represented by the giving of the five times gift of Joseph to Benjamin.
(Eph 3:7 KJV) Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Benjamin is the “youngest”….the littlest….the “least” of the brothers. And so Paul who is the “least” of all the saints is given this GRACE….the five times grace…that we are also made partakers of.
8 unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Paul’s epistles shall be rescued from the “mouth of the lion”….from the messenger of Satan…..from the ungodly men who have wrested his words in order to deceive the people. His epistles are set for the defense and confirmation of the gospel. We all are made partakers of his grace that was given to him by “Joseph”…..the gift of Christ.
(Phil 1:7 KJV) Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
Within Paul’s epistles is the “silver cup” of the revelation of Jesus Christ. Benjamin was the youngest which means the “littlest” which is the meaning of “Paul”. This is no coincidence. The letters of Paul are the “mouth” piece of Jesus….according to the Word that “Joseph” speaks.
(Gen 44:2 KJV) And put my cup, the silver cup, in the sack's mouth of the youngest, and his corn money. And he did according to the word that Joseph had spoken.
Paul is that “chosen vessel” unto Christ…..
(Acts 9:15 KJV) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
I would rather speak five words in my understanding so that others can understand rather than speak ten thousand words that no one can understand.
(1 Cor 14:19 KJV) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
AMEN: You really breath the truth; the love of Jesus compells us to tie the truth together with such a thread of holiness that can only be given through the Holy Spirit:
Its SCARY sometimes; even when i read; i may read something paul says; and my heart says; this is one of those verses that lead people in the flesh if they dont know any better; for even though we see the truth; Glory to God: i cry for the world and what they are being taught; BLESS US ALL
man i love the way you all are speaking: Glory to God:
Nothing for me to say; and im always talking; but in this thread; my mind races with learning and building; Bless the Lord
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Amen:
Its like paul speaks through a funnel of love; and only those that seek God in that love can hear:
God says His word is sharper then a double edged sword; and it will test the intent of the heart:
Gods word in paul will test the heart; and people may see what they WANT; in regards to not wanting to let go of sin; or not being able to face that ROMANS 7 state of ourselves:
People would rather stay stuck in that chapter instead of allowing God to save them from that body of death:
God used to always remind me that paul was speaking to people that were living in the truth:
God also reminds me that grace is not only overlooking our faults; or giving us time to change:
Grace is also a power or a gift of holiness;
Theres a Grace by Christ JESUS
I always keep in mind that God says;
His kindness leads us into repentance:
I really believe that the BY in being saved BY Grace means alot;
I think many are trying to be SAVED IN a GRACE that overlooks sin;
Instead of being saved BY that grace
Thus being saved IN the GRACE that comes as a gift through JESUS CHRIST
Does that make any since to anyone:
Would you say that we are saved BY GRACE and in GRACE;
Yet do you see how pauls writings speak of the gift of JESUS as a grace in a way that leads people to think they are saved in sin:
If His kindness leads us to repent; then we are saved and drawn into the fold BY that grace: I think the world is trying to lead men to seek salvation without holiness: Anything to keep us OUT the HOLY SPIRIT:
But GOD SAYS
NOTHING CAN SEPERATE from the love of God; ONCE YOU HEAR IT: You cant help but understand: For to understand is to hear: BIG HUG
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FirenWater
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Greetings Fulltruthministry!
I hear you, its speaks of what the grace of God teaches us and its in denying worldly and ungodly lusts (not living after them). God being mocked (which He is not) is also shown in the context of what a man soweth to (whether to the flesh or to the Spirit) and mockers (likewise) are not they which denying the lusts of the flesh but following their own ungodly lusts. We should be reigning in life by this grace, because afterall sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under the law but under this grace.
If I am understanding what you are trying to point out.
And I dont say much here either, I listen more I can relate
Excellent post as always Wheeler, I really am glad you are posting, someone said it once, "you are a breath of fresh air". That is so true!
God bless you all!
I hear you, its speaks of what the grace of God teaches us and its in denying worldly and ungodly lusts (not living after them). God being mocked (which He is not) is also shown in the context of what a man soweth to (whether to the flesh or to the Spirit) and mockers (likewise) are not they which denying the lusts of the flesh but following their own ungodly lusts. We should be reigning in life by this grace, because afterall sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under the law but under this grace.
If I am understanding what you are trying to point out.
And I dont say much here either, I listen more I can relate
Excellent post as always Wheeler, I really am glad you are posting, someone said it once, "you are a breath of fresh air". That is so true!
God bless you all!
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InSpiritInTruth
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Welcome Fulltruthministry, and peace be with you.
It is true, every good gift, and every perfect gift comes from above. And we, even in the least of things can not boast, but should always be mindfull that all the Glory belongs to God in the Highest.
In whatsoever you do, let the Glory and praise be to God.
So let us bring forth before the altar of Grace a continual sacrifice of praise, worshipping his Holy name with the fruit of our lips, a sweet smelling aroma before the Lord.
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This whole thread is a breath of fresh air: I am sometimes leary of people; but I am greatful in God to hear such truth being lifted on this site:
I try to be honest; I am also blessed by brother wheeler and everyone sharing in the thread; I pray that I may grow as I desire us all to grow together: Blessings
I try to be honest; I am also blessed by brother wheeler and everyone sharing in the thread; I pray that I may grow as I desire us all to grow together: Blessings
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FirenWater
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Im the same way Fulltruthministry (leary!) I'm really beginning to love the areas where folks just post what they are seeing, whether in part or a little moreso (and especially where theres no wrangling) Its just so nice to take from it what you can recieve from another brother or sister (and be blessed by it) and let the other come forward and also share what they are catching too. I really like that. Just things for us to consider to weigh things out for ourselves, its so much better.
Definately more uplifting
God richly bless you!
And bless you all in our Lord Jesus Christ!
Definately more uplifting
God richly bless you!
And bless you all in our Lord Jesus Christ!
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Hi Fulltruthministry,
Praise God ! God bless you!
Thank you for your very inspirational words! It is truly nice to meet a friend in here. I feel very uplifted by your kindness.
I think that one should be a little leery of what is being said in here and be like the Bereans who searched the Scriptures daily to see if these things are so.
Acts 17:11-12 KJV
(11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
(12) Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
We all dont see eye to eye .YET but what truly counts is how we treat each other. Love is the number one thing .and not who is right or wrong.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8 KJV
(1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
(2) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
(3) And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
(4) Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
(5) Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
(6) Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
(7) Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
(8) Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
I certainly dont know a great many things and Im just a searcher for the Truth just like everyone else in here waiting on God to provide the meat of the Word. He is the source of course.
Proverbs 2:2-6 KJV
(2) So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
(3) Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
There are great nuggets of gold and silver in the great mine of His Word yet to be discovered. There are great hid treasures yet to be found. His Truth His knowledge is to be sought with all of our hearts, minds and souls. We come with our wheel barrows and shovels .in faith .in persistence in LOVE. I feel very excited to be alive in this time.....the mine door is opening and we all can see this little by little.
(4) If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
(5) Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
(6) For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
And I thank God for His gifts .even our desire to search His Word is a gift from Him. He makes us kings....kings who are to "search out a matter".
Proverbs 25:2 KJV
(2) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Praise God ! God bless you!
Thank you for your very inspirational words! It is truly nice to meet a friend in here. I feel very uplifted by your kindness.
I think that one should be a little leery of what is being said in here and be like the Bereans who searched the Scriptures daily to see if these things are so.
Acts 17:11-12 KJV
(11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
(12) Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
We all dont see eye to eye .YET but what truly counts is how we treat each other. Love is the number one thing .and not who is right or wrong.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8 KJV
(1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
(2) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
(3) And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
(4) Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
(5) Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
(6) Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
(7) Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
(8) Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
I certainly dont know a great many things and Im just a searcher for the Truth just like everyone else in here waiting on God to provide the meat of the Word. He is the source of course.
Proverbs 2:2-6 KJV
(2) So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
(3) Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
There are great nuggets of gold and silver in the great mine of His Word yet to be discovered. There are great hid treasures yet to be found. His Truth His knowledge is to be sought with all of our hearts, minds and souls. We come with our wheel barrows and shovels .in faith .in persistence in LOVE. I feel very excited to be alive in this time.....the mine door is opening and we all can see this little by little.
(4) If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
(5) Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
(6) For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
And I thank God for His gifts .even our desire to search His Word is a gift from Him. He makes us kings....kings who are to "search out a matter".
Proverbs 25:2 KJV
(2) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
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I know I keep coming back to these verses here in Acts 9
.but I really think this is very substantial
.especially the words : A chosen vessel. Where can the application of this word vessel stop in the Bible? A vessel is any apparatus used for anything.
Acts 9:13-16 KJV
(13) Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
(14) And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
(15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
(16) For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
One vessel that comes first to me is ship or boat. There was Saul of Tarsus .and there were ships of Tarshish. This can be found on the internet: perhaps Tarsus = Tarshish.
The ships of Tarshish would be then Pauls epistles that are the vessels used to bring people unto the NAME of Jehovah our God shown here in Isaiah 60. Paul is that chosen vessel .the ships of Tarshish . that bear His NAME before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. The ships of Tarshish are first in bringing those from afar. The LAST shall be FIRST. Paul was the last one...the least one.
Isaiah 60:9 KJV
(9) Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.
But Pauls epistles have been in the mouth of the lion .in the speaking of the messenger of Satan being wrested by unlearned and unstable men.
Isaiah 23:1 KJV
(1) The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.
Jesus used a ship many times. He taught from a ship ..could this ship be a reference to Pauls epistles in this last day wherein he speaks from?
Mark 4:1-3 KJV
(1) And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land.
Could the epistles of Paul be used as the "vessel" to explain many parables in the Bible through Jesus Christ?
(2) And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
(3) Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
Who was really possessed here in Mark 5? Could this be symbolic of Pauls epistles being possessed by the messenger of Satan that twists and contorts what Paul has been saying for the last 2000 years? Jesus comes into the ship and tells the man that had been possessed with the devil to go tell how great things the Lord had done for him and how much compassion He had on him. This Saul also did after he was healed of his blindness.
Mark 5:18-20 KJV
(18) And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.
(19) Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.
Could Decapolis which means ten cities be a reference to Pauls epistles (minus the three pastoral letters)? Note: it is not clear who wrote Hebrews.
(20) And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.
Saul also did this very thing after his blindness was healed .he straightway preached Christ in the synagogues ..and the men who heard him were amazed.
Acts 9:18-21 KJV
(18) And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
(19) And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
(20) And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
(21) But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
How far can we take this application of the word vessel?
To be continued ..
Acts 9:13-16 KJV
(13) Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
(14) And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
(15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
(16) For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
One vessel that comes first to me is ship or boat. There was Saul of Tarsus .and there were ships of Tarshish. This can be found on the internet: perhaps Tarsus = Tarshish.
The ships of Tarshish would be then Pauls epistles that are the vessels used to bring people unto the NAME of Jehovah our God shown here in Isaiah 60. Paul is that chosen vessel .the ships of Tarshish . that bear His NAME before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. The ships of Tarshish are first in bringing those from afar. The LAST shall be FIRST. Paul was the last one...the least one.
Isaiah 60:9 KJV
(9) Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.
But Pauls epistles have been in the mouth of the lion .in the speaking of the messenger of Satan being wrested by unlearned and unstable men.
Isaiah 23:1 KJV
(1) The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.
Jesus used a ship many times. He taught from a ship ..could this ship be a reference to Pauls epistles in this last day wherein he speaks from?
Mark 4:1-3 KJV
(1) And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land.
Could the epistles of Paul be used as the "vessel" to explain many parables in the Bible through Jesus Christ?
(2) And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
(3) Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
Who was really possessed here in Mark 5? Could this be symbolic of Pauls epistles being possessed by the messenger of Satan that twists and contorts what Paul has been saying for the last 2000 years? Jesus comes into the ship and tells the man that had been possessed with the devil to go tell how great things the Lord had done for him and how much compassion He had on him. This Saul also did after he was healed of his blindness.
Mark 5:18-20 KJV
(18) And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.
(19) Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.
Could Decapolis which means ten cities be a reference to Pauls epistles (minus the three pastoral letters)? Note: it is not clear who wrote Hebrews.
(20) And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.
Saul also did this very thing after his blindness was healed .he straightway preached Christ in the synagogues ..and the men who heard him were amazed.
Acts 9:18-21 KJV
(18) And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
(19) And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
(20) And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
(21) But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
How far can we take this application of the word vessel?
To be continued ..
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Relevant:
Phil. 1:14-17 and that most of the brethren, trusting in the Lord because of my imprisonment, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear. Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife (James 3:14-16), but some also from good will; the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.
It's clear that this is an issue of credibility. Paul himself anticipated the misuse of and skepticism towards his epistles.
Phil. 1:14-17 and that most of the brethren, trusting in the Lord because of my imprisonment, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear. Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife (James 3:14-16), but some also from good will; the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.
It's clear that this is an issue of credibility. Paul himself anticipated the misuse of and skepticism towards his epistles.
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Chickapee
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BIG HUG !! Thanks so much for sharing your heart with us .
Yes without Gods grace noone would make it ...
your words are also refreshing !
faith comes by hearing and without ''faith '' its impossible to please God ,
and am all for pleasing God , Lord increase our faith !
grateful for Gods grace ... blessings in Jesus Christ to you and yours this day ..
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Chickapee
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Greetings Fulltruthministry!
I hear you, its speaks of what the grace of God teaches us and its in denying worldly and ungodly lusts (not living after them). God being mocked (which He is not) is also shown in the context of what a man soweth to (whether to the flesh or to the Spirit) and mockers (likewise) are not they which denying the lusts of the flesh but following their own ungodly lusts. We should be reigning in life by this grace, because afterall sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under the law but under this grace.
If I am understanding what you are trying to point out.
And I dont say much here either, I listen more I can relate
Excellent post as always Wheeler, I really am glad you are posting, someone said it once, "you are a breath of fresh air". That is so true!
God bless you all!
Amen Fire , the flesh profits nothing
Its the being born again of the Spirit and Truth that is our life hid in Christ and newness of Life ..........now thats fresh Air !!
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
romans 6 ;4
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth
Col 3:3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
God bless you all !
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Chickapee
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Love it Bro W ! Rom 9:21Hath not the potter power over the clay,
of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified,
and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto
every good work
Rom 15:16That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
much blessing in Jesus Christ to you and yours
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Tavita
beside quiet waters He restores my soul..
I have loved reading through this thread!
And I agree that Paul was commissioned by our Lord to bring the gospel to the Gentiles. The Lord said He came ONLY to the House of Israel. He gave the gospel of grace and the mystery of the gospel to the Gentiles ~specifically~ to Paul. To fight against that is to fight against the Lord Himself.
Those who teach a mixture (mixture... how God hates mixture!) of Law and Grace do not get Paul and try to discredit him. I spent a few years with Judaizers and they just looove to put Paul down. But it's not only just Judaizers that put him down, it's anyone with a mixture of Law and Grace.
Wheeler has hit the head of the nail... good onya mate!!
And I agree that Paul was commissioned by our Lord to bring the gospel to the Gentiles. The Lord said He came ONLY to the House of Israel. He gave the gospel of grace and the mystery of the gospel to the Gentiles ~specifically~ to Paul. To fight against that is to fight against the Lord Himself.
Those who teach a mixture (mixture... how God hates mixture!) of Law and Grace do not get Paul and try to discredit him. I spent a few years with Judaizers and they just looove to put Paul down. But it's not only just Judaizers that put him down, it's anyone with a mixture of Law and Grace.
Wheeler has hit the head of the nail... good onya mate!!
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I have loved reading through this thread!
And I agree that Paul was commissioned by our Lord to bring the gospel to the Gentiles. The Lord said He came ONLY to the House of Israel. He gave the gospel of grace and the mystery of the gospel to the Gentiles ~specifically~ to Paul. To fight against that is to fight against the Lord Himself.
Those who teach a mixture (mixture... how God hates mixture!) of Law and Grace do not get Paul and try to discredit him. I spent a few years with Judaizers and they just looove to put Paul down. But it's not only just Judaizers that put him down, it's anyone with a mixture of Law and Grace.
Wheeler has hit the head of the nail... good onya mate!!
Hi Tavita,
Thanks for reading! Thanks for sharing your experience.
Before the internet came about I would have never dreamed any body would consider Paul as a false apostle. I had never knew any one who thought so in my own sheltered, religious upbringing. So I was quite surprised to see how many do think of Paul as a false apostle when the internet became widely available. I do understand their point of view...but of course it is in their misunderstanding of Paul's epistles and the plan of God that they reach the conclusions that they do.
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Love it Bro W ! Rom 9:21Hath not the potter power over the clay,
of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
1Th 4:4That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
2Ti 2:21If a man therefore purge himself from these,
he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified,
and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto
every good work
Rom 15:16That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
much blessing in Jesus Christ to you and yours
Wow...thanks Chickapee!
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Yes, Paul knew beforehand what kind of sufferings his epistles would endure.
Acts 20:22-24 KJV
(22) And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there:
The Holy Spirit had shown Paul what bond and afflictions were waiting for his letters. Pauls own personal afflictions and persecutions were pre indicators of the trials and tribulations that would come from the misuse of his epistles.
(23) Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
But none of those things moved him. He has gloried in his infirmities in his suffering for Christ Jesus. This suffering has continued for the last 2000 years through the tribulations of his letters.
(24) But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Paul rejoices in all things....
Philippians 1:18-20 KJV
(18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
His letters shall "turn" to his salvation by the Spirit...the Breath...of Jesus Christ....being rescued from the mouths of men who wrest his words.
(19) For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Christ is magnified in Paul's writings...in his "body"....whether being preached in the Truth (by life in Christ Jesus) or by "death"...in the wresting of his words.
(20) According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
The Truth of Christ is found in Pauls epistles .even when they are being wrested by the unlearned and unstable men. The regions of Achaia is code for the troubling times that his letters have endured. Achaia means trouble , grief.
2 Corinthians 11:10-15 KJV
(10) As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
(11) Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
(12) But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
False apostles are those who preach Paul through deceit. They transform themselves into the apostles of Christ by the deceitful misuse of Pauls words .twisting and contorting them to bring many into religious mans bondage.
(13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
They pose as ministers of righteousness .but their "righteous" works bring many into the bondage of religious man .with their many commandments, traditions, teachings, burdens.
(15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
All these things that religious man has worked by the wresting of Paul are dung .just as Sauls works were before he was changed by the Lord Jesus Christ into a chosen vessel. Paul felt so strongly here in Philippians 3 about it that he actually uses an expletive to describe it. Look up Greek word skubalon for more details.
Philippians 3:8-9 KJV
(8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
(9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
And here again, we shall see his face no more. We would not understand Paul because of the wresting of his epistles by ungodly men.
Acts 20:
(25) And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
It is the unlearned and unstable men who have entered in misusing Pauls letters in order to deceive. Yet, this is Paul states here ..that he is pure from the blood of all men. He has not shunned to declare unto us all of the counsel of God. It is all there just not completely understood .yet.
(26) Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
(27) For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
(28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
The wolves would twist and contort that counsel and scatter the flock by every wind of doctrine that leads many astray.
(29) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(30) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
(31) Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
And here is another rather cryptic saying .. they had been taken from us for a short time in presence but not in heart.
1 Thessalonians 2:17-20 KJV
(17) But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
Satan has hindered Paul .by the twisting of his words by the ministers of righteousness so that we can not fully understand him.
(18) Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
(19) For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
But once we understand Paul and preach his words in Christ Jesus, we are the glory and joy of all of the saints in the Light of the knowledge of God. We will preach their words as intended ..in the Truth in Christ Jesus and they shall rejoice as now the enemy will not prevail.
(20) For ye are our glory and joy.
Acts 20:22-24 KJV
(22) And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there:
The Holy Spirit had shown Paul what bond and afflictions were waiting for his letters. Pauls own personal afflictions and persecutions were pre indicators of the trials and tribulations that would come from the misuse of his epistles.
(23) Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
But none of those things moved him. He has gloried in his infirmities in his suffering for Christ Jesus. This suffering has continued for the last 2000 years through the tribulations of his letters.
(24) But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Paul rejoices in all things....
Philippians 1:18-20 KJV
(18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
His letters shall "turn" to his salvation by the Spirit...the Breath...of Jesus Christ....being rescued from the mouths of men who wrest his words.
(19) For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Christ is magnified in Paul's writings...in his "body"....whether being preached in the Truth (by life in Christ Jesus) or by "death"...in the wresting of his words.
(20) According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
The Truth of Christ is found in Pauls epistles .even when they are being wrested by the unlearned and unstable men. The regions of Achaia is code for the troubling times that his letters have endured. Achaia means trouble , grief.
2 Corinthians 11:10-15 KJV
(10) As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
(11) Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
(12) But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
False apostles are those who preach Paul through deceit. They transform themselves into the apostles of Christ by the deceitful misuse of Pauls words .twisting and contorting them to bring many into religious mans bondage.
(13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
They pose as ministers of righteousness .but their "righteous" works bring many into the bondage of religious man .with their many commandments, traditions, teachings, burdens.
(15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
All these things that religious man has worked by the wresting of Paul are dung .just as Sauls works were before he was changed by the Lord Jesus Christ into a chosen vessel. Paul felt so strongly here in Philippians 3 about it that he actually uses an expletive to describe it. Look up Greek word skubalon for more details.
Philippians 3:8-9 KJV
(8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
(9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
And here again, we shall see his face no more. We would not understand Paul because of the wresting of his epistles by ungodly men.
Acts 20:
(25) And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
It is the unlearned and unstable men who have entered in misusing Pauls letters in order to deceive. Yet, this is Paul states here ..that he is pure from the blood of all men. He has not shunned to declare unto us all of the counsel of God. It is all there just not completely understood .yet.
(26) Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
(27) For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
(28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
The wolves would twist and contort that counsel and scatter the flock by every wind of doctrine that leads many astray.
(29) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(30) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
(31) Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
And here is another rather cryptic saying .. they had been taken from us for a short time in presence but not in heart.
1 Thessalonians 2:17-20 KJV
(17) But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
Satan has hindered Paul .by the twisting of his words by the ministers of righteousness so that we can not fully understand him.
(18) Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
(19) For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
But once we understand Paul and preach his words in Christ Jesus, we are the glory and joy of all of the saints in the Light of the knowledge of God. We will preach their words as intended ..in the Truth in Christ Jesus and they shall rejoice as now the enemy will not prevail.
(20) For ye are our glory and joy.
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