The Man of Sin and the False Prophet

Manasseh_ said:

My premise is that the man of sin
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


The wicked one revealed and destroyed by Christ, the one who with "all powers" and signs and lying wonders , the one with all deceivableness


2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

and the false prophet The one who appears to look like a lamb (Christ like) but speaks as a dragon

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

who also does "great wonders" miracles in the sight of men

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Who also deceives

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

are one in the same...............................The man of sin and the false prophet are the same person

He is the man of sin, the son of perdition, the false prophet who promotes the Beast by his lying wonders, his acts of deceivableness, his miracles that deceive the world to worship the beast and causes all that refuse to be killed. He is the "ecclesiastical" power behind the government (the beast) appearing to give spiritual credence to the beast and he is the head of the apostate church (babylon the harlot)


any views..............disagree ? agree ?

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Hi manasseh, I disagree that the man of sin is the second beast, the false prophet. Although I understand your logic regarding the lamb rationale equating the false prophet as an imitation of Jesus.

To me, the lamb reference is that the false prophet will be seen initially as a harmless person.

The first we read of the false prophet is in Revelation 13, which that chapter is with 42 months to go. I can't prove from the bible that he shows up before the midpoint.

The Antichrist beast does not make war on the witnesses until the end of their 1260 days of testimony. I believe that the two witnesses testify in the first half of the seven years. It doesn't mention anything in Revelation 11 about the false prophet second beast, so that's another reason to think that the false prophet does not show until the last 42 months.

Actually those who believe in a Muslim Antichrist man (I don't hold to that theory) would theorize that the second beast having the two horns of a lamb would be the Muslim Isa (Jesus) who shows up after the Mahdi arrives. The problem (and there are other showstopper reasons) is that in the Muslim end times belief, Isa does not show until the Madhi and his muslims are in a pitched battle with the Dajjal. That is when Isa returns to destroy the Dajjal. Of course, their prophecies are unworkable because who is to play the part of the Dajjal?

While I agree with you the false prophet is a religious figure, the first beast who will be worshiped is a person, not a government, in that particular reference. On the other hand, the beast also represent a kingdom of the beast person. The kingdom represented is the endtimes Roman Empire, the EU, which with 42 months to go in the seven years will have gained control of the territories of the Babylonians, Medes and Persians, Greek empires.

The woman riding the beast, imo, is the Vatican.

DougL.

I am going to completely AGREE with you Manasseh

The false prophet is the antichrist.

Manasseh_ said:

My premise is that the man of sin
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


The wicked one revealed and destroyed by Christ, the one who with "all powers" and signs and lying wonders , the one with all deceivableness


2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

and the false prophet The one who appears to look like a lamb (Christ like) but speaks as a dragon

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

who also does "great wonders" miracles in the sight of men

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Who also deceives

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

are one in the same...............................The man of sin and the false prophet are the same person

He is the man of sin, the son of perdition, the false prophet who promotes the Beast by his lying wonders, his acts of deceivableness, his miracles that deceive the world to worship the beast and causes all that refuse to be killed. He is the "ecclesiastical" power behind the government (the beast) appearing to give spiritual credence to the beast and he is the head of the apostate church (babylon the harlot)


any views..............disagree ? agree ?

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man...I could not have said it better...i thot i wrote it for a second.

side note: I used to use this font (and size) a lot, a couple years ago
i miss it!

Manasseh_ said:

Are we in agreement ? I'm not doubting you agree , I'm only asking to clarify...........you said "the antichrist"

Today's popular view of "the antichrist" is a "superman" dictator who takes over the whole world even depicted sometimes with a 666 stamped on his head.

Scripture says there are many antichrists and then finally John is shown visions that "the antichrist" the final end time forces that are AGAINST Christ (antichrist) are seen as the beast, false prophet and babylon the harlot (apostate church)

again , only asking to clarify what is meant by "the antichrist"

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I believe that the man of sin, the son of perdition is the antichrist, I also believe that this man of sin is the false prophet and the second beast.

Choose Wisely said:

I believe that the man of sin, the son of perdition is the antichrist, I also believe that this man of sin is the false prophet and the second beast.

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agreed, and i would add....the mouth of the first beast too!

i'll take it a step further

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


this is the actual identity of the son of perdition/man of sin/false prophet.
i believe Satan is an actual angelic being,

as real and physical as all other angel in the bible....
wiser than Daniel, and with supernatural angelic abilities that we do not posses

and that he has been here (earth) many times in the past, playing god.

and will again come...cast out of heaven and here for his time/times and half a time
pretending to be Christ....even looking the part.
many will be deceived

Manasseh_ said:

if scripture is pointing directly to the end times, when the beast, false prophet and babylon come to power the KJV always renders it...............

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The beast is rendered differently in Revelation 17, 12, 13. What about the Antichrist man?

a time, times and half a time
One thousand two hundred and three score days
Forty and two months
this gives understanding to the statement in Rev 12 , that satan knows that he doesn't have very much time left and Christ said it's the worst time in our history, nothing can be compared.......so he tells his apostles that it gets so bad that if God didn't cut it short, put a stop to it then no one be left........mankind would annihilate itself off the planet (Matt 24)

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There are 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 that precede the war in heaven. The time, times, and half time is after the war in heaven.

as to the 2 witnesses finishing their testimony in the "first half" of tribulation" .......that scenario doesn't fit into scripture either........because

They are being resurrected after being killed 3.5 days earlier (1st resurrection) Christ's promise of resurrection on the LAST DAY (John 6)

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Well the resurrection on the last day is the resurrection of everyone who didn't make the rapture/resurrection of the 1thess4:15-18 and the special resurrection at the beginning of the millenium. The last day resurrection is in Revelation 20:11-15.

and we know it's the first resurrection because the 7th angel sounds the trumpet making the proclamation that the kingdom of God now rules, Christ is returning and we know that because it's also written that this is now the day of judgment Rev 11:18 also referred to in the OT as the Day of the Lord , or , The great and terrible Day of the Lord. .............final judgment and reward......life for the saints and death for the wicked. A midpoint scenario doesn't fit into the prophetic time frame.

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The seventh angel sounds and there is the war in heaven announcing the time of the third woe which is Satan being kicked down with a time, times, and half times left, which puts the timing of the seventh angel sounding 3 1/2 days past the exact midpoint day of 1260. It is the first step of a process by which the Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ.

I still believe the man of sin and the false prophet are the same person.

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That's fine with me. We disagree. The false prophet is secondary to the Antichrist beast.

In what bible passage does Paul refer to the first beast in your scenario?

Doug L.

Wow! I think I agree but I want to know more!
I'm new so be gentle.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 is the only scripture I can find which doesn't seem to make any distinction between the "beast" and the "false prophet". Some say the beast (out of the sea) must be a man since it is the same as the "man of sin/lawlessness" of 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

Can you please explain your reasoning how this "man of sin" is the false prophet and not also the beast? TY

Hi "Man",

Lond time no post................

Your premise seems sound, but I wonder why Paul gives the second beast, if indeed the MOS is, precidense without even mentioning the first beast who is also destroyed together with the second beast at Christ's postrib return?

Only a couple places where the term "perdition" or ruin is mentioned, and in fact Judas is called the SOP, though he is dead and gone. But we have this one also.....................

Rev 17:8 ​

KJV


Rev 17:11 ​

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KJV

Any thoughts?
Frankie