Ruth Was An Israelite

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christian1488, Please read FirenWater's posts above. Maybe, just maybe, he can help you as I sure can't.


Why don't you Just read the documents on Ruth?

When Israel entered the promised land,one of the first places they conquered was Moab--SO At this time Sihon King of the Amorites had conquered the kingdom of Moab
and was it's ruler when the Israelites came in.((Numbers 21:25,29)
DID YOU GET ALL THAT SO FAR? NOW The Israelites conquered the land of Moab killing all the people found there(Deuteronomy 2:32-34)
sO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? From here the Israelites advanced northward into the land of Ammon(Numbers 21:33-35)
IT WAS SETTLED BY ISRAELITES!
This entire area of the Jordan river was settled by the tribes of Reuben, Gad and half the tribe of Manasseh, after all the original inhabitants, Moabites and Ammonites, had been killed or driven out. In Deuteronomy 3:12-16
AND All of this was accomplished about 1450 B.C.; from this time on this was purely Israelite territory. This was even more so than the land west of the Jordan River, because in the old lands of Moab and Ammon, none were left alive.
AND Three hundred years later, about 1143 B.C., we find evidence that the Israelite occupation of the lands of Moab and Ammon, was still unbroken. In Judges 11:12-26
WHAT MORE DO WE HAVE?
The Israelites had held unbroken possession of the land of Moab and Ammon all that time.

HOW COULD RUTH BE A MOABITESS IF THE AREA OF MOAB WAS INHABITED BY ISRAELITES?????????

NOW CONSIDER THIS:



[FONT=&quot]The Judicial Evidence:[/FONT]

Deuteronomy, the Book of God’s Royal Law, states categorically (Deut 23:3) that an Ammonite or a
Moabite cannot enter the Assembly of the Lord. Even a tenth generation (descendant of one) shall not
enter the Assembly of the Lord for the Age (for ever).
Now Ruth was the great-grandmother of King David, hence if Ruth was a Moabite by race, then:
a. She could not, by law, have married an Israelite, either Mahlon her first husband, or Boaz her
second.
b. If Elimelech and Naomi, and Mahlon and Boaz, had by their own will chosen to ignore God’s
law and allowed a racial Moabitess to be their daughter-in-law and wife, respectively, then God
Himself could not have chosen David (Ruth’s great-grandson) to be king over Israel without
making a nonsense of His own Law.
c. The women of Israel could not have welcomed Ruth into their midst and likened her to Rachel
and Leah without repudiating all of God’s racial laws from start to finish.
d. If Ruth was a racial Moabitess then the meticulous observance of every detail of God’s Law,
after Naomi came back to Bethlehem with Ruth, would have been a studied mockery of the
Law, and a studied insult to God, and even an insult to ordinary human intelligence. For as a
racial Moabite, Ruth would have been disqualified from association with any Israelite on an
equal basis, and marriage with her would have been forbidden to all Israelites who observed the
Law. Hence no assiduous observance of God’s Laws could, in God’s sight, make an Israelite
out of a Moabitess by race.
e. If God slew the two eldest sons of Judah in order to prevent the Royal Line of Israel from
coming down through the progeny of a Canaanitish woman (Shuah), why would God turn
around now and allow it to come down through the progeny of a Moabitish woman? God does
NOT change.
But most Bible commentators are quite happy to believe and to state (by inference) that God
ignored His own Law whenever it suited Him. So where it appears to them that God has made a
mistake, they try to make excuses to explain it away and to hide from our sight the fact that
God means what He says and NEVER deviates from it.




[FONT=&quot]The Geographical Evidence[/FONT]
Figure 1 shows the nations which occupied the area in and around the Promised Land before the
arrival of Israel from out of the Wilderness. Long before the Israelites arrived on the scene however,
the Moabites had occupied all the land on the east side of Jordan from the River Jabbok right down
the eastern coast to the southern end of the Dead Sea. The Plains of Moab was a small area flanking
the eastern bank of the Jordan for 10 miles or so north of the Dead Sea and extending 5 or 6 miles to
the east.
Then the Amorites, who were descendants of Canaan, moved eastwards across the Jordan and drove
the Moabites out of the northern section of Moab, and out of the Plains of Moab, down the eastern
coast of the Dead Sea and across the River Arnon. The Amorites then occupied the Plains of Moab
and all the country of Moab north of the River Arnon to the River Jabbok, as shown in Figure 1.
Thus Numbers 21:13 tells us quite definitely that Arnon was the border of Moab at the time when the
Israelites came north out of the Wilderness. The Israelites followed a devious path (Sketch 1) right
around the territory in which the Moabites were then living, and came into Amorite occupied territory
just north of the River Arnon.
Numbers 21:22 states that they then asked permission of the Amorite King Sihon to pass through his
land. When this was refused, the Israelites – under God’s instructions – fought and destroyed the
whole Amorite nation (men, women and children). Deut 2:34 and 20:16-17 state that this was done
because these people were descendants of the Nephilim. Num 21:24 states that the Israelites then
possessed all the land from Arnon to the River Jabbok, including the Plains of Moab.
The Israelites continued their campaign northwards and conquered all the land of Bashan, north of the
River Jabbok, right up to Hittite territory. And they completely wiped out the entire population of
Bashan as they had done with the Amorites. The then returned south and camped in the Plains of
Moab, ready for crossing the Jordan, opposite Jericho, into Canaan.
NOTE: These nations were totally destroyed because they were descendants of the Nephilim,
and because they were so diseased as a result of their idolatrous practices, that they would
quickly pollute any clean race that came into contact with them. God said that He would not use
water to drown the human race again, so this time He used Israel – His weapon of war – to
destroy this section of them. The Nephilim were the result of marriage or illicit union between
members of Noah’s descendants (or Cain’s) with the alien peoples around them. These
Nephilim were the giants which Genesis 6:4 tells us would be in the earth “After those days”,
that is, after the Flood.
Now Numbers 32 states that the Tribes of Reuben and Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, elected to
take their inheritance in those conquered lands on the eastern bank of the Jordan and the Dead Sea,
north of the River Arnon. These lands, as we have seen, included the Plains of Moab and were never
called the “Land of Israel” even though occupied by these tribes continuously until the fall of Israel
under Assyrian attack 700 years later – 1Chron 5:26.




ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS STATE ''Ruth the Moabitess'' OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!

RUTH WAS NOT A GENTILE,BOAZ WAS A KINSMAN,WHY WOULD HE REDEEM A MOABITESS?(MOAB WAS NOT UNDER THE LAW)
 
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Duet 23:7 Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.


Duet 23:8 The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation.

Heres one, of the Edomite^_^

Ok I'll stop now lol

I wast told that it should not have read ''Edomite''(Deuteronomy 23:7) - ''it should not say Edomite, but Syrian (as in Laban, and Rebecca).

Edomites are enemies,of Israel and therefore it would be a contradiction and scripture cannot contradict itself!

Esau is hated(Romans 9:13)
And will eventually be destroyed by Jacob/Israel
Obadiah 1:18:And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

Can you see the contradiction?
Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite
But they are hated (Romans 9:13) and will be destroyed by Jacob/Israel(Obadiah 1:18)
Esau is Edom (Genesis 36:1)
 
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FirenWater

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FirenWater, you got much more patience than I do! lol

I think NOT! You are the one who just went for PAGES here not me ( heck, I was in the backround smacking my head) ^_^


I havent the energy (or desire) for all the back and forth that goes on in some of these forums its just too draining for me now.

I like the once, maybe twice (rule) after that Im like... "whatever" ...^_^

God bless you!
 
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FirenWater

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FirenWater, I like your rule but is too hard for me sometimes. It definitely was to hard for me on this thread.

It wasnt always that way riverrat it happened for me over time, once and awhile there might be something that gets my "goat" (pun intended) ^_^

I cant take striving with people anymore... I used too though.

Then I did a study on it and I changed my mind toward it.

But I get it, someone can get under your skin by their way (or approach) and challenges you to your face (in the way they do) but it was my pride that would respond back, that onesupmanship type thing. Its that I try to deny in myself (renounce the hidden things) for me "that" was it. I'd respond more out of the wrong spirit, not gentleness or meekness. When I think I might not be able to (and might wrongly enter a conversation) I try refraining from having it.

Specially when my goat wants to go^_^

I have conversation faults, the other is my jesting, I gotta consistently remind myself to put that off too.

I guess we all have our "thangs" huh?

Works in progress:thumbsup:
 
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Absolutely I see it Christian1488 but not the same way you pit scripture against scripture. Speaking with one another is fruitless really, so lets remain as we were, not conversing, I prefer it that way:thumbsup:

pit scripture against scripture??

I try to post documents and Scriptures to help..........
 
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FirenWater

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I know...
 
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FirenWater

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If only you could see the full attitude (all the time) you so wouldnt be saying that^_^

You are just fine riverrat, I think Im getting old, maybe chosing my battles more carefully these days. Cant always be sure, I just know I dont have any gas in my engine right now. You know how it is... like... Oh sheesh WHAT NOW must I tackle that I just havent the energy for?^_^

I had some popcorn and watched though :thumbsup:

Heh, like a gerbal going on one of those stationary wheels^_^

I just couldnt resist riverrat... (and Lord forgive me my humour once again) but even the poor gerbal is going to run out of fuel at some point on that crazy thing lol...

I'll say no more lol God bless ya!
 
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