Is Mary the "queen of heaven" mentioned in the Bible?

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It's true that Mary consented. Mary accepted the Holy Spirit to concieve Jesus, making her a vessal.

God needed to be born from flesh to come into the world so He needed a vessal to come forth from.
Theology 101:

God does not "need" anyone or anything.

If that is the basis for your doctrine, it will indeed lead to many errors.
 
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Ok. So Mary is the Mother of God? That means Mary created the eternal God, making her His mother?....NOPE. :p

Mary was just the vessel to bring God into the world as flesh (Jesus).

And if you worship Mary, you might as well be worshipping Ashteroth. :wave:
Where do you get the concept that mother = creator?

All mothers are creators of their children now?
 
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In the Bible, there are no references as Mary being the Queen of Heaven or the Mother of God. (because she isn't)

In the Book of Jeremiah, it is refering to the Babylonian goddess, Ashtoreth.

People worshipping the Queen of Heaven angers God, so the same principle applies today.
Calling Mary the Queen of Heaven angers God. It's idolatry.
Okay, so the book of Jeremiah refers to Ashtoreth as queen of heaven.

Since the Bible says so, it would appear that we should conclude that Ashtoreth is in heaven as queen. Right?
 
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Where do you get the concept that mother = creator?

All mothers are creators of their children now?

God is the Creator. Mary is the mother of Jesus (God manifested in the flesh)

Mothers concieve and give birth to a baby.

Mary did not concieve nor give birth to God the Eternal and Almighty.

So imo I don't think the title 'Mother of God' is fitting.

And please don't think I am saying that Jesus is not God.

Okay, so the book of Jeremiah refers to Ashtoreth as queen of heaven.

Since the Bible says so, it would appear that we should conclude that Ashtoreth is in heaven as queen. Right?


It would seem from Scripture, the title 'Queen of Heaven' provokes God to anger.

Why would transfering the term from Ashteroth over to Mary not produce the same result?

God Never hints that Mary has such an exalted status.

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God is the Creator. Mary is the mother of Jesus (God manifested in the flesh)

Mothers concieve and give birth to a baby.

Mary did not concieve nor give birth to God the Eternal and Almighty.

So imo I don't think the title 'Mother of God' is fitting.

And please don't think I am saying that Jesus is not God.

Yes, you just did. You completely contradict yourself.

"Mary is the mother of Jesus (God manifested in the flesh)"

"Mary did not concieve[sic] nor give birth to God the Eternal and Almighty."


It would seem from Scripture, the title 'Queen of Heaven' provokes God to anger.

Why would transfering the term from Ashteroth over to Mary not produce the same result?

Because presumably God isn't stupid.

God Never hints that Mary has such an exalted status.

:)

You're right, when the archangel Gabriel came to her, his salutation was probably something he came up with against God's will. Brilliant logic, mate. Gabriel must be some sort of secret agent for Satan or something! :thumbsup:
 
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Yes, you just did. You completely contradict yourself.

"Mary is the mother of Jesus (God manifested in the flesh)"

"Mary did not concieve[sic] nor give birth to God the Eternal and Almighty."


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Because presumably God isn't stupid.

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You're right, when the archangel Gabriel came to her, his salutation was probably something he came up with against God's will. Brilliant logic, mate. Gabriel must be some sort of secret agent for Satan or something! :thumbsup:

Is this hard to understand? Mary is not GOD's mother. And your little logic means squat.

Mothers naturally exist before their offspring.
God existed before Mary, always existed, is infinite, sinless.
Mary was created, is finite, is sinful, not the 'Mother of God'.
God simply used her to become flesh.

The Godhead (Trinity) cannot be understood perfectly by your simple logicor understanding...;)

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Yeah, God still doesn't like the term used for anyone. There is no real Queen of Heaven. NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER! All you have is TRADITION and Man-made doctrines as support.

"Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." -Jesus, Mark 7:9

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"Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he [Jesus] said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." Luke 11:27-28


When a woman was exalting Mary, Jesus was not amused. :p
If Mary was an object to be praised, Why didn't Jesus say, "Yes Blessed be my mother, Queen of Heaven!"
Because Jesus is the ONLY one to be praised and worshipped. :amen:
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." —Isaiah 42:8

Micheal the archangel said she was blessed. Cool, all christians are blessed. No supreme queenly status. :thumbsup:


Mary veneration, exaltation, worship, etc is Idolatry. The End.

God Bless.
 
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Is this hard to understand? Mary is not GOD's mother. And your little logic means squat.

Yes. We are all familiar with the unfortunate fact that many Christians seem to think logic and common sense is evil. It is a shame that you are promoting such an anti-intellectual position on this forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqZbFQb0O0

I have an icon of the Theotokos. I venerated it last night.

Mary, Mother of God, pray for me.

O Virgin pure, immaculate, O Lady Theotokos.
O fleece bedewed with every grace. O Virgin Queen and Mother.
More radiant that the rays of the sun, and higher than the heavens.
O joy of virgin choruses, superior to the angels.
O brighter than the firmament and purer that the sun's light.
More holy than the multitude of all the heavenly armies.



O ever virgin Mary of all the world, the Lady.
O Bride all pure immaculate, O Lady Panagia.
O Mary Bride and Queen of all, the cause of our rejoicing.
O noble Maiden, gracious Queen,
supremely holy Mother.
More honored than the Cherubim,
beyond compare more glorious.
Than the unbodied Seraphim, transcending the angelic Thrones.

Rejoice, the song of Cherubim rejoice,
the hymn of angels
Rejoice the ode of Seraphim; the joy of the archangels.
Rejoice, O peace and happiness and cause of our rejoicing.
O sacred chamber of the Word, the flower of incorruption.
Rejoice, delightful Paradise of blessed life eternal.
Rejoice O sacred Tree of life and fount of immortality.

I supplicate you, Lady now, I fervently entreat you.
O Queen of all, I earnestly implore and seek your favor.
O gracious Maiden, spotless one, O Lady Panagia.
I call upon you ardently , O holy hallowed Temple.
O help me and deliver me protect me rom the enemy.
And make me an inheritor of blessed life eternal.
 
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Yes. We are all familiar with the unfortunate fact that many Christians seem to think logic and common sense is evil. It is a shame that you are promoting such an anti-intellectual position on this forum.

O Virgin Pure-Orthodox Byantine Chant - YouTube

I have an icon of the Theotokos. I venerated it last night.

Mary, Mother of God, pray for me...[blah blah blah]

:eek:

I think these Bible verses speak for themselves...

Exodus 20:4-5 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above (I'm sure Mary's there), or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Leviticus 26:1 - "'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 4:16 - ...Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,...

Deuteronomy 4:28 - And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

Deuteronomy 27:1 - Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

1 Samuel 12:23 - "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, ..."

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We are to pray to God in 'spirit and in truth'; not through images, icons, statues, Mary, etc.

It is unfortunate that many "Christians" think idolatry is permissable.
And it is a shame that you are promoting such indifference on this grave matter.
I mean the best and I will pray for you.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:32
 
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My assumptions did not come out of no where, and they certainly weren't conveyed in a negative way.
Sorry if it did, it wasn't my intention.

I simply stated my opinion, which seems to have biblical support.
If you see something as truth, I think you should share it with others. imo


God Bless. :)
 
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:eek:

I think these Bible verses speak for themselves...

Exodus 20:4-5 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above (I'm sure Mary's there), or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

My icon was printed, not graven, so I think I'm good. Besides, icons were upheld by the Holy Seventh Ecumenical Council, and we aren't under the law anymore. Lastly, nobody follows that law anymore anyways, ever heard of "art"? :)

Leviticus 26:1 - "'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

If I start worshiping and idols, I'll let you know.

Deuteronomy 4:16 - ...Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,...

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Oh no! The Augustus of Prima Porta! Run for your lives! ^_^

Deuteronomy 4:28 - And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

Deuteronomy 27:1 - Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

1 Samuel 12:23 - "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, ..."

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It is also the Sabbath, since you should be resting, not working, you should now log off. My earlier rebuttals apply to all of your verses pretty much equally.

We are to pray to God in 'spirit and in truth'; not through images, icons, statues, Mary, etc.

That is how I pray "in spirit and in truth".

It is unfortunate that many "Christians" think idolatry is permissable.

"Anathema to them who presume to apply to the venerable images the things said in Holy Scripture about idols. Anathema to those who do not salute the holy and venerable images. Anathema to those who call the sacred images idols. Anathema to those who say that Christians resort to the sacred images as to gods. Anathema to those who say that any other delivered us from idols except Christ our God. Anathema to those who dare to say that at any time the Catholic Church received idols." --The Decree of the Holy, Great, Ecumenical Synod, the Second of Nice.

And it is a shame that you are promoting such indifference on this grave matter. I will pray for you.

And it is a shame that you are promoting such indifference on this grave matter. I will pray for you.

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The Son Who shone from the Father
was ineffably born in two natures of a woman.
We do not deny the image of His form
but depict it piously and revere it.
For this cause the Church, holding the true Faith,
kisses the icon of Christ’s Incarnation.


Holy Fathers of the Seventh Ecumenical Council, pray for us. :crossrc:

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:32

:amen:

"We, therefore, following the royal pathway and the divinely inspired authority of our Holy Fathers and the traditions of the Catholic Church (for, as we all know, the Holy Spirit indwells her), define with all certitude and accuracy that just as the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, so also the venerable and holy images, as well in painting and mosaic as of other fit materials, should be set forth in the holy churches of God, and on the sacred vessels and on the vestments and on hangings and in pictures both in houses and by the wayside, to wit, the figure of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady, the Mother of God, of the honourable Angels, of all Saints and of all pious people. For by so much more frequently as they are seen in artistic representation, by so much more readily are men lifted up to the memory of their prototypes, and to a longing after them; and to these should be given due salutation and honourable reverence (ἀσπασμὸν καὶ τιμητικὴν προσκύνησιν), not indeed that true worship of faith (λατρείαν) which pertains alone to the divine nature; but to these, as to the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross and to the Book of the Gospels and to the other holy objects, incense and lights may be offered according to ancient pious custom. For the honour which is paid to the image passes on to that which the image represents, and he who reveres the image reveres in it the subject represented. For thus the teaching of our holy Fathers, that is the tradition of the Catholic Church, which from one end of the earth to the other hath received the Gospel, is strengthened. Thus we follow Paul, who spake in Christ, and the whole divine Apostolic company and the holy Fathers, holding fast the traditions which we have received. So we sing prophetically the triumphal hymns of the Church, “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem. Rejoice and be glad with all thy heart. The Lord hath taken away from thee the oppression of thy adversaries; thou art redeemed from the hand of thine enemies. The Lord is a King in the midst of thee; thou shalt not see evil any more, and peace be unto thee forever.”
Those, therefore who dare to think or teach otherwise, or as wicked heretics to spurn the traditions of the Church and to invent some novelty, or else to reject some of those things which the Church hath received (e.g., the Book of the Gospels, or the image of the cross, or the pictorial icons, or the holy reliques of a martyr), or evilly and sharply to devise anything subversive of the lawful traditions of the Catholic Church or to turn to common uses the sacred vessels or the venerable monasteries, if they be Bishops or Clerics, we command that they be deposed; if religious or laics, that they be cut off from communion." --The Decree of the Holy, Great, Ecumenical Synod, the Second of Nice.
 
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My icon was printed, not graven, so I think I'm good.

Arguing on semantics? It's a graven image.


If I start worshiping and idols, I'll let you know.

You don't have to, I already know.


Oh no! The Augustus of Prima Porta! Run for your lives! ^_^

I guess this is a joke to you. How sad.


It is also the Sabbath, since you should be resting, not working, you should now log off. My earlier rebuttals apply to all of your verses pretty much equally.

I'm not working. And there were no valid rebuttals.


That is how I pray "in spirit and in truth".

^_^...Praying to an image is in spirit and in truth? Sure yeah ok.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." - 2 John 9


"Anathema to them who presume to apply to the venerable images the things said in Holy Scripture about idols. Anathema to those who do not salute the holy and venerable images. Anathema to those who call the sacred images idols. Anathema to those who say that Christians resort to the sacred images as to gods. Anathema to those who say that any other delivered us from idols except Christ our God. Anathema to those who dare to say that at any time the Catholic Church received idols." --The Decree of the Holy, Great, Ecumenical Synod, the Second of Nice.

Oh noes! The RCC cursed me. I'm going to turn to the Mother Church now. lolno... :D

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I'll take God's word not man's.


And it is a shame that you are promoting such indifference on this grave matter. I will pray for you.

Indeed. I don't want to be an idolator. God Forbid. No vain prayers needed, thx though.


"We, therefore, following the royal pathway and the divinely inspired authority of our Holy Fathers and the traditions of the Catholic Church (for, as we all know, the Holy Spirit indwells her), define with all certitude and accuracy that just as the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, so also the venerable and holy images, as well in painting and mosaic as of other fit materials, should be set forth in the holy churches of God, and on the sacred vessels and on the vestments and on hangings and in pictures both in houses and by the wayside, to wit, the figure of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady, the Mother of God, of the honourable Angels, of all Saints and of all pious people. For by so much more frequently as they are seen in artistic representation, by so much more readily are men lifted up to the memory of their prototypes, and to a longing after them; and to these should be given due salutation and honourable reverence (ἀσπασμὸν καὶ τιμητικὴν προσκύνησιν), not indeed that true worship of faith (λατρείαν) which pertains alone to the divine nature; but to these, as to the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross and to the Book of the Gospels and to the other holy objects, incense and lights may be offered according to ancient pious custom. For the honour which is paid to the image passes on to that which the image represents, and he who reveres the image reveres in it the subject represented. For thus the teaching of our holy Fathers, that is the tradition of the Catholic Church, which from one end of the earth to the other hath received the Gospel, is strengthened. Thus we follow Paul, who spake in Christ, and the whole divine Apostolic company and the holy Fathers, holding fast the traditions which we have received. So we sing prophetically the triumphal hymns of the Church, “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem. Rejoice and be glad with all thy heart. The Lord hath taken away from thee the oppression of thy adversaries; thou art redeemed from the hand of thine enemies. The Lord is a King in the midst of thee; thou shalt not see evil any more, and peace be unto thee forever.”
Those, therefore who dare to think or teach otherwise, or as wicked heretics to spurn the traditions of the Church and to invent some novelty, or else to reject some of those things which the Church hath received (e.g., the Book of the Gospels, or the image of the cross, or the pictorial icons, or the holy reliques of a martyr), or evilly and sharply to devise anything subversive of the lawful traditions of the Catholic Church or to turn to common uses the sacred vessels or the venerable monasteries, if they be Bishops or Clerics, we command that they be deposed; if religious or laics, that they be cut off from communion." --The Decree of the Holy, Great, Ecumenical Synod, the Second of Nice.

Quoting the doctines the commandments of men, you convinced me. :thumbsup:...^_^

"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." —Mark 7:7

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me." — Matthew 15:8

"Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations." —Ezekiel 14:6

"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye." — Mark 7:13

Bye Bye
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"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." —Mark 7:7

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me." — Matthew 15:8

"Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations." —Ezekiel 14:6

"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye." — Mark 7:13


:p

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Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple, --Matthew 4:5

Job 6:23
Or, Deliver me from the adversary's hand? Or, Redeem me from the hand of the oppressors?'


Numbers 33:28
And they journeyed from Terah, and encamped in Mithkah.


Luke 15:31
And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that is mine is thine.


Sirach 10:26
Despise not a just man that is poor, and do not magnify a sinful man that is rich.

:p
 
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God is the Creator. Mary is the mother of Jesus (God manifested in the flesh)

Mothers concieve and give birth to a baby.

Mary did not concieve nor give birth to God the Eternal and Almighty.

So imo I don't think the title 'Mother of God' is fitting.

And please don't think I am saying that Jesus is not God.
As I think others have pointed out, you are indeed saying Jesus is not God, or else you have completed contradicted yourself.

Easy enough to determine which. Is the baby Mary conceived and gave birth to God the Eternal and Almighty?



It would seem from Scripture, the title 'Queen of Heaven' provokes God to anger.

Why would transfering the term from Ashteroth over to Mary not produce the same result?

God Never hints that Mary has such an exalted status.

:)

What evidence do you provide that the "title" is what angered God? I would assume what angered him is people creating a false idol and worshipping it.

Who do you believe will be sitting at the right hand of Christ in heaven? And will that person have an "exalted" status?
 
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"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
~ Jeremiah 17:18 (KJV)

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Why are Catholics glorifying Mary when God said,

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
~ Isaiah 42:8 (KJV)

It's robbery of glory and praise that only God deserves.

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Mary is the mother of Jesus' humanity and not His divinity.

Jesus always was and always will be, Mary had a beginning, so she's not divine. This is TRUTH.

I'm not contradicting anything, I'm sure you know the doctrine of Incarnation.

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And please show me evidence where Mary is at the right hand of Christ
and where she attained the blasphemous title "Queen of Heaven" in Scripture.

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And an idol is a graven image, it doesn't only mean it has to be a picture.
 
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"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
~ Jeremiah 17:18 (KJV)

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Why are Catholics glorifying Mary when God said,

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
~ Isaiah 42:8 (KJV)

It's robbery of glory and praise that only God deserves.

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Mary is the mother of Jesus' humanity and not His divinity.

Jesus always was and always will be, Mary had a beginning, so she's not divine. This is TRUTH.

I'm not contradicting anything, I'm sure you know the doctrine of Incarnation.

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And please show me evidence where Mary is at the right hand of Christ
and where she attained the blasphemous title "Queen of Heaven" in Scripture.

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And an idol is a graven image, it doesn't only mean it has to be a picture.

If any of us start worshiping Mary or idols, we'll be sure to let you know.
 
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"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
~ Jeremiah 17:18 (KJV)

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Why are Catholics glorifying Mary when God said,

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
~ Isaiah 42:8 (KJV)

It's robbery of glory and praise that only God deserves.

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Mary is the mother of Jesus' humanity and not His divinity.

Jesus always was and always will be, Mary had a beginning, so she's not divine. This is TRUTH.

I'm not contradicting anything, I'm sure you know the doctrine of Incarnation.

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And please show me evidence where Mary is at the right hand of Christ
and where she attained the blasphemous title "Queen of Heaven" in Scripture.

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And an idol is a graven image, it doesn't only mean it has to be a picture.

It seems you are splitting Jesus Christ into two parts ...

Did you mean to say this ?
 
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