The Synergism Safe House

student ad x

Senior Contributor
Feb 20, 2009
9,835
805
just outside the forrest
✟29,077.00
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
The Synergism Safe Haven


Members who choose to participate in this safe-house thread should believe in Synergism, that man is free to cooperate with Divine grace to be regenerated. This thread is for discussing Soteriology from a Synergistic point of view.

Fellowship posts from all members are welcome. Members who hold to Monergism may not intentionally disrupt this thread.

This safe house thread is specifically for those members who believe in Synergism.

The safe house is for discussion and not for debate. Debate is defined as: "Engaging in argument by discussing opposing points."

If a topic turns into a debate then staff will split the debate off into a new thread.

Members who do not hold the Synergism view may post in fellowship only.

No posts from this safe house may be quoted in other threads or used to start discussion threads in the main Soteriology forum.

The CF site-wide rules and Soteriology Rules do apply to this thread.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Hammster

student ad x

Senior Contributor
Feb 20, 2009
9,835
805
just outside the forrest
✟29,077.00
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
239644-albums1818-32313.jpg
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Arc

Lover of the Truth
Jun 29, 2003
294
10
50
St. Louis Metro Area, IL
Visit site
✟7,994.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I'm sure I'm a to be labeled a synergist. I believe regeneration is all of God, following faith of course. I see the logical order as faith then regeneration. This is why I believe I would be labeled as a synergist, because I believe man is free to believe. I don't see how this is different then a Reformed perspective where man also cooperates with God, just after regeneration. There's still cooperation either way. But no point in fighting the label prepared for me. :) Gotta call me something I guess.

It seems Cornelius is a great example of someone who was regenerated after hearing & believing the words spoken by Peter. Yet Cornelius feared God before Peter preached to him in order for him to be saved.

Acts 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: "Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.


Acts 10:44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Act 11:14 he will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household.' 15 As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"

Acts 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.

1 Peter 1:23 you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God

Cornelius conversion seems to be on Peter's mind even in Acts 15. Isn't having your heart cleansed/purified by faith saying the same thing as saying "regenerated by faith".

Following the flow of thought, we have several synonymous statements:
Baptized in the Spirit, receive the Spirit, Spirit fell on them, born of the Spirit, gift of the Spirit. All these terms seem to be used interchangeably. Faith preceded the Spirit being "birthed" in someone. And 1 Peter 1:23 agrees exactly with Peter's statement in Acts 11:14.

Any other synergists agree?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

OzSpen

Regular Member
Oct 15, 2005
11,541
707
Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Visit site
✟125,343.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Private
  • Like
Reactions: TibiasDad
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Super Kal

the goal is to be more like You, and less like me
Nov 3, 2008
3,695
273
Mankato
✟25,396.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

OzSpen

Regular Member
Oct 15, 2005
11,541
707
Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Visit site
✟125,343.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Private
The Synergism Safe Haven


Members who choose to participate in this safe-house thread should believe in Synergism, that man is free to cooperate with Divine grace to be regenerated. This thread is for discussing Soteriology from a Synergistic point of view.

Fellowship posts from all members are welcome. Members who hold to Monergism may not intentionally disrupt this thread.

This safe house thread is specifically for those members who believe in Synergism.

The safe house is for discussion and not for debate. Debate is defined as: "Engaging in argument by discussing opposing points."

If a topic turns into a debate then staff will split the debate off into a new thread.

Members who do not hold the Synergism view may post in fellowship only.

No posts from this safe house may be quoted in other threads or used to start discussion threads in the main Soteriology forum.

The CF site-wide rules and Soteriology Rules do apply to this thread.
Do you as a Calvinist support synergism as your understanding of the doctrine of salvation (soteriology)?

Oz
 
Upvote 0

OzSpen

Regular Member
Oct 15, 2005
11,541
707
Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Visit site
✟125,343.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Private
okay, other than Steve Gregg, anyone else?
I have written an online exposition of Hebrews 6:4-6, "Once saved, always saved OR once saved, lost again".

Why do you restrict yourself to online sermons? Why don't you do some reading? I'd recommend:

  • Roger T. Forster & V. Paul Marston 1973. God's Strategy in Human History. Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers Inc. See esp. the chapters on "Chosen and Elect"; "Righteousness"; "Harden"; "Foreknowledge". There is an Appendix, "Early teaching on God's and man's will";
  • J. Matthew Pinson (gen. ed.) 2002. Four Views on Eternal Security. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan. It is a format where an author presents his view and the other 3 writers respond to that view. Stephen M. Ashby presents the Reformed Arminian View; J Stephen Harper provides the exposition of a Wesleyan Arminian View. The other writers are Michael S. Horton (Classical Calvinist View) and Norman Geisler (Moderate Calvinist View).
  • Robert Shank 1989. Life in the Son (2nd edn). Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House.
Sincerely, Oz
 
Upvote 0

OzSpen

Regular Member
Oct 15, 2005
11,541
707
Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Visit site
✟125,343.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Private
There doesn't seem to be much traffic on the Synergism Theolbahn. My own view is that of a combination of monergism and synergism. By monergism, I understand that salvation is provided exclusively by the Lord God Almighty. However, at the point of salvation, I am convinced by the biblical material that a person co-operates with God through human responsibility in responding to salvation. I guess that makes me a synergist.

This is a summary of synergism as seen from the perspective of a human being's free will.

One view of the freedom of the will is that of Henry C. Thiessen (a revised edition is now available), Introductory Lectures in Systematic Theology (Eerdmans, 1949). Thiessen (a modified Arminian in my view and a dispensationalist) sees it this way:

1. All Christians agree that God decreed to save men [male and female] but the difference comes in HOW he does this.

2. God takes the initiative in salvation and this is not based on His arbitrary will but on His wise and holy counsel. We see this through God's dealing with Adam and Eve after the fall (Gen. 3:8-9). See Scriptures general teaching in Rom. 2:4; Titus 2:11. The free will in salvation is implied in exhortations to turn to God (See Prov. 1:23; Isa. 31:6; Ezek. 14:6; 18:32; Joel 2:13-14; Matt. 18:3; Acts 3:19) and repent (1 Kings 8:47; Matt. 3:2; Mark 1:15; Luke 13:3, 5; Acts 2:38; 17:30), and to believe (2 Chron. 20:20; Isa. 43:10; John 6:29.; 14:1; Acts 16:31; Phil. 1:29; 1 John 3:23).


3. God has a very high regard for freedom and He has made man capable of choosing whether or not to obey and serve God.

4. Freedom has two forms in Scripture:

  • The ability to carry out the dictates of one's nature;
  • The ability to act contrary to one's nature.

5. Before they sinned, men and angels had freedom in both of these senses.

6. Following the fall, the human being lost the ability not to sin (see Gen. 5:5; Job 14:14; Jer. 13:23; 17:9; Rom. 3:10-18; 8:5-8). He/she is now free only in the sense that he/she can do as his/her fallen nature suggests.

7. BUT, prevenient grace means that God must take the initiative if man is to be saved.

8. We have, through this grace, "the blessings of life, health, friends, fruitful seasons, prosperity, the delay of punishment, the presence and influence of the Bible, the Holy Spirit, and the Church, manifestations of the common grace of God" (p. 155).

9. This common grace of God is not adequate for salvation, but it does reveal the goodness of God to sinful creatures.

10. The "common grace of God also restores to the sinner the ability to make a favorable response to God. . . God, in His grace, makes it possible for all men to be saved" (ibid.).

11. The freeing of the will in relation to salvation doesn't mean that prevenient grace enables man to change his bent of the will in favor of God. It doesn't mean that he can finish with sin and make himself acceptable to God.

12. "It does mean that he can make an initial response to God, as a result of which God can give him repentance and faith. He can say, 'Turn thou me, and I shall be turned'" (Jer. 31:18-19; See also Lam. 5:21; Ps. 80:3, 19; 85:4) [p. 156].

13. Thiessen believes the biblical material says that man "has had a measure of freedom restored to him. . . he can in some measure act contrary to his fallen nature. . .if he will say this much, then God will turn him, grant him repentance (Acts 5:31; 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25) and faith (Rom. 12:3; 2 Pt. 1:1). The common grace of God is now seen to be intended to induce man to make this response" (p. 156).

Sincerely, Oz
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

wayseer

Well-Known Member
Jun 10, 2008
8,226
504
Maryborough, QLD, Australia
✟11,131.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Are we not all synergists?

Do we all not desire a closer relationship with God?

Athanasius made the statement that essential forms the heart of Orthodoxy - That God became human so that humanity can become God. Once this is accepted then we spend the rest of our lives in that work.
 
Upvote 0