always dreaming of satan..:(

HoneyComb Son · Sep 10, 2011

It isn't incorrect to tell you to pray to God, and change your life. Fact is, you've got Satan harassing you every night. That means God is allowing it. Ask yourself these questions:

Why is God allowing Satan to harass me in my dreams?
What am I doing in my life that would cause God to punish me like that?
What can I change to make my life more pleasing to God?
What can I ask God to do to help me change?

If you don't want to change, don't expect your situation to change either.

First off, your list has so many I's that its no wonder anyone can change with that self effort..second God is no longer punishing me for my sins..reason..Jesus took my sins on the cross.and the punishment I deserved..so its incorrect to say God is punshing me..or even allowing satan to do this..Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil..and he did..how is it that allowing satan to steal kill or destroy not against what he did..he casted out demons..he rebuked and healed the sick.he didnt allow satan to do his thing..he casted them out..in fact we are given authority over Satan to do the same.cast him out and heal the sick..

God and satan don't work together..light doesnt mix with darkness..otherwise its grey..and we all know..God is light.and in Him there is no darkness...the kingdom of God doesnt mingle with the kingdom of darkness..otherwise its divided and cannot stand..

what can I do? Paul or I think Jesus said..u can do nothing yourself... its his life,power and love..and His Spirit that transforms us into the image of His Son.

im not advocating sin..I know my sin..I talk to God about it..ive come to the spot..where I simply cannot..and in that spot.I realized..I died..to the law..and Christ is my new life(which im still newly getting) and its not me that lives but Him through me..now for me.its not that easy..cause of me past..and religion

but again..couldnt it be..that Im headed in the right direction? thats why Satan so opposes me..if I was down and out..he wouldnt have to do much..which he dit not for so many years..because he didnt have too.I was so tied up in law..religion and false doctrine..I was my own doom..the law in me..complied me to sin..or should I say the law mindedness..the more I tried to stop.the more I sinned..and the more I sinned..the more hopeless I got...the more I hated God..cause of the impossibility to do what is right..through law and self effort..the false image of God it gave me..a dark one...and thus the way I went

so..as you see..love and grace..its also said in the bible..where sin abound..grace abound more!..Paul wrote that..inspired by the Spirit of The Lord..

so yes.im passionate bout it..cause its the letter of the law that kills.and when I see it..yes im still impure in my passion..but I voice my concern..to the teachings and tradiions of man.that have ensnared many

its God..not me..not me..its all God..in which im safe..neither circumstance..persucuation..situation..shall seperate me from the love of God found in Christ Jesus...even sin..that counts as situation..its all finished..the good work he started he will complete..

all sin paid for..all time..free..till I get that..due to past..I struggle with sin..I know why I do..but I tried to stop..and I sin more..and I hate more..its only in rest..and something I have not found yet entirely..or understand..his love for sure.that will free from the bondages I possess

I bet satan knows that...seems to me..when I come this close to God this way..is where Satan presses buttons..thats what I got to ask.and look at

thesunisout · Sep 10, 2011

First off, your list has so many I's that its no wonder anyone can change with that self effort..second God is no longer punishing me for my sins..reason..Jesus took my sins on the cross.and the punishment I deserved..so its incorrect to say God is punshing me..or even allowing satan to do this..Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil..and he did..how is it that allowing satan to steal kill or destroy not against what he did..he casted out demons..he rebuked and healed the sick.he didnt allow satan to do his thing..he casted them out..in fact we are given authority over Satan to do the same.cast him out and heal the sick..
God and satan don't work together..light doesnt mix with darkness..otherwise its grey..and we all know..God is light.and in Him there is no darkness...the kingdom of God doesnt mingle with the kingdom of darkness..otherwise its divided and cannot stand..

1 John 1:8

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Yes, your sins were paid for at the cross, so at the final judgement you will be declared not guilty. It does not mean that you no longer sin, or that we are not called to repent of sin. Or that God won't punish wicked behavior. If you won't listen to me, listen to the Lord:

Revelation 3:19

Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
He told us that if we love Him, to obey what He commanded. Those who do not repent of their sins will face His wrath:

Revelation 3:3

Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Now, you are also incorrect about Satan. God is sovereign, which means that He is in complete control of His creation. Satan can't do anything without Gods permission. Where do you think Satans power comes from? Satan is Gods Satan:

Job 1:8-12

Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

Notice that Satan could only act within the narrow confines of Gods permission? Satan is allowed to tempt and test us, but he cannot go further than God allows. God is not evil but He does use evil for the greater good:

2 Corinthians 12:7

To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

1 Samuel 16:14

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

1 Corinthians 5:5

I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

im not advocating sin..I know my sin..I talk to God about it..ive come to the spot..where I simply cannot..and in that spot.I realized..I died..to the law..and Christ is my new life(which im still newly getting) and its not me that lives but Him through me..now for me.its not that easy..cause of me past..and religion

but again..couldnt it be..that Im headed in the right direction? thats why Satan so opposes me..if I was down and out..he wouldnt have to do much..which he dit not for so many years..because he didnt have too.I was so tied up in law..religion and false doctrine..I was my own doom..the law in me..complied me to sin..or should I say the law mindedness..the more I tried to stop.the more I sinned..and the more I sinned..the more hopeless I got...the more I hated God..cause of the impossibility to do what is right..through law and self effort..the false image of God it gave me..a dark one...and thus the way I went

Yes, you are correct that we can't do anything under our own power. God must change us, and empower us to change. That is where prayer comes in. You ask God for these things, to change your mind and your heart, to pour our His spirit of wisdom and truth, to help you overcome what is deficient in you. Ask him to crush your will so that you may only do His will.

I don't know what your background is, but it is not impossible to stop sinning. You act like we have no choice, but we do. If you followed every word that God said, sin wouldn't be an issue. I stopped many of the things I was doing by the conviction of the Spirit, and I ask God for help daily in what I still lack and He provides. I have been making upward progress since I was saved and the difference is night and day. So, if you have been struggling all this time and not getting anywhere, it is for a reason, and the reason isn't because you're helpless against sin, because I know that isn't true.

o yes.im passionate bout it..cause its the letter of the law that kills.and when I see it..yes im still impure in my passion..but I voice my concern..to the teachings and tradiions of man.that have ensnared many
its God..not me..not me..its all God..in which im safe..neither circumstance..persucuation..situation..shall seperate me from the love of God found in Christ Jesus...even sin..that counts as situation..its all finished..the good work he started he will complete..

all sin paid for..all time..free..till I get that..due to past..I struggle with sin..I know why I do..but I tried to stop..and I sin more..and I hate more..its only in rest..and something I have not found yet entirely..or understand..his love for sure.that will free from the bondages I possess

You must take responsibility for the things you do. You are not free to sin. God has called us to repent of our sins, saved or not. Yes, His love will set you free, but here is the truth:

John 14:15

If you love me, you will obey what I command.

You talk about religion, but the bible isn't religion. It is the Holy word of God, which is the instruction manual of our lives. God *is* allowing Satan in your life, and you need to figure out why. You're not a victim. When you figure that out and change (through the help of the Holy Spirit), then you will find some rest. You seem to want to point the finger everywhere but yourself, but God said plainly that He rebukes and disciplines us for our wickedness.

meinabox · Sep 11, 2011

OP: That's so weird (nightmaring about Satan)...but one thing is for sure, God IS allowing it and He IS testing you (I can't say for certain if it can be considered punishment but I'd try to assume not [1 John 4:18]). I really hope that those nightmares stop for you.

A suggestion: believe that you won't have nightmares like that anymore and they'll go away.

You can pray for anything, and if you have faith, you will receive it."
Matthew 21:22

Keep trying and they will go away, if God is willing, but until then, they are just nightmares and God is ALWAYS with you, so there's no need to fear.

"The LORD will guide you always..."
Isaiah 58:11

"Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."
Isaiah 41:10

Keep reading the Bible; God will lead you to verses that make you feel better, if he is willing...

What Does the Bible Say About Fear?

Take care of yourself...God bless.

HoneyComb Son · Sep 11, 2011

im sorry but half what u said is taking things so out of context to what is actually meant by the word of God...God is soverign..but ur view of it is from the traditions of men..the scriptures u used are the very same scriptures people have used in the past..to defend the logic u represent

wouldn't you agree that men does often mis use scripture for their intended purpose?
cutting and pasting scripture to suite ur doctrine does not make it right..sorry but it does just not..and thats what u have done..picked scripture to suite ur beliefs..that does not make it right..

John 14:15

If you love me, you will obey what I command.

very very true...but taken out of context..what did Jesus command to do? to believe! many came to him and asked that remember..the asked..Lord what shall we do..for the works of God..and He said..this is what u shall do..believe in the one sent
King James Bible
"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

now if we love the Lord..one of the ten commandments is love the lord with all your soul..with all you strength...now remember the law was given to show men how impossible it was by law to be righteous or right before God..and in fact this is one of em..the only we we can fulfil this commandment..is by The Spirit...not by self effort..oh I love God..doesnt work like that..He First loved us..by that love..we love him..but even thats not perfect..cause if we were honest..we know we should love God more then we do..

but what has he commanded..to believe in the one sent..in Him!! and through his love for us..we will want to do where the Spirit leads us..for we live by the Spirit now

not but the letter of the law

Jesus paid the price for sin..judgement and punishment I deserved..over 2000 years ago..what judgement or punishment for me did he not take...what sin I have committed or will commit in the future did he not know of or take on the cross..when he died..none..its finished..so whatver wicked behavior is not punished...God cannot punish me for what Jesus took..im free!..from sin and death...I cannot be punished for what Jesus took on the cross..remember Paul was right..we are free..all things we are free to do..but he said.not all things are profitable..that is the freedom of Christ we have!...set free from rules and the law

God does discipline us..BUT He does not punish us..Jesus took our beating we deserved..so how does he discpline us..with his Word..by His Spirit..its HIs love that changes us! to do what is right! cause we want too!

now with the scriptures of satan..totally taken out of context...OT..we arent OT..we are NT..under a new conventant..free..liberated..free from the curse of the law..which includes sickness.diseases..sufferings..etc poverty etc..all that is listed in the OT.and much more! now God doesnt allow satan.....Satan is the prince of this world..before Jesus came and conquered at the cross..Satan had stolen authority..or the keys to hades and death ..Jesus at the cross disarmed him..NOW Jesus has all authority on heaven and earth.and the keys to death and hades

so ya..Satan is at work destroying people..this greater good..is another tradition of men..a concept made my man to explain why a good God lets bad happen..or allows it or whatever..truth is..we have free will..satan has free will..people make choices...and it kills..or hurts others..that is the truth..in a fallen world..God is sovereign..in that he is above all..and that he has let man choose..free will..even satan..choose..but that is what happens when u create things with free will..they dont always make good choices doesnt mean God is behind it...

2 Corinthians 12:7

To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

where the heck does it say its from the Lord..all I can read is..A MESSANGER FROM SATAN..lol

and remember Jesus is an exact representation of the Father..where does Jesus let demons do their will...He CASTED them out...remember HE came to destroy the works of the devil..we have the authority to cast out satan..it doesnt say..limited authority if God allows the devil.it says all authority over satan to cast him out..Jesus went around healing the sick..casting out satan..not letting or allowing satan to do anything..

ur words speak of law..and OT..we are NT..under grace..we live by the Spirit not the law..God loves us..Jesus died for us..we are beloved and blessed..Jesus came to give us life..to its fulliest

“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

why are u believing the word of satan about God..satan hates God so why do u presume this is God? hes a liar

The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

Satan was the prince of this world..He had the keys to death and hades..he had stolen authority.now ill be honest I dont know the details fully..but he had power before the cross..he could already do to Job what the Lord knew he could do..because of sin and death after the fall of adam..

so again..what does this have to do with NT...Jesus defeated Satan at the cross..stripped him and disarmed him...he has no power over us..we are commanded to cast out devils and heal the sick!..what part of that is saying oh this one..God is allowing satan..we are told..CAST THEM OUT!

God and satan dont work together..nor does God "use" satan for a greater good..God can take what the devil meant for harm.and turn it into good..but thats God..GOOD..He is good..

and again..u assume alot about me without evidence of my life nor things I have been through..I never said the bible was religion..those words are not mine...u assume im promoting sin..im not..I promote grace...so instead of assuming u got the Lord's word for me..as it seems..check yourself..test the spirits..u cannot say God is allowing satan or doing this in my life etc etc.have u heard a word from God..did he tell you? about me?

no didnt think so...so before you think u have Gods answer to me..make sure..its God..
oh..and where does it say the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin...let me show you..something to think about

The Work of the Holy Spirit
5 “But now I am going away to the One who sent me, and not one of you is asking where I am going. 6 Instead, you grieve because of what I’ve told you. 7 But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate[a] won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. 9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. 10 Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. 11 Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged.

the world's sin is that it does not believein Jesus...those who dont believe in Jesus are non believers right..so once they believe..what happens

.they believe in Jesus..so does he convict us of righteouness? how..in regards to jesus who goes to the father..is at the fathers right hand..he is our rigtheousness..our holyness...OH COURSE..im not advocating sin..but that is what Jesus said about the Spirit aka Comforter...judgement..because the one in the world..satan is already judged

just something to think about

HoneyComb Son · Sep 11, 2011

"God IS allowing it and He IS testing you" He isnt allowing or testing me..Jesus clearly said to us..go cast out demons and heal the sick..what about of that is allowing satan over us..Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil..we have authority..to cast out..not to allow..what part of that is hard to understand? allowing satan means Jesus' victory over satan on the cross was not complete..Satan has no power over us..

Jesus said satan comes to steal, kill and to destroy...Jesus says about himself.he came to give life to its fullest..how is allowing satan to steal kill and destroy life..how is that life to its abundance?

Jesus stood against satan..didnt tolerate..or make allowance for him in his ministry..he cast him out..rebuked..healed the sick..destroyed the devils work aka stealing killing and destroying

fear not for sure..thts true

meinabox · Sep 11, 2011

HoneyComb Son said:
"God IS allowing it and He IS testing you" He isnt allowing or testing me..Jesus clearly said to us..go cast out demons and heal the sick..what about of that is allowing satan over us..Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil..we have authority..to cast out..not to allow..what part of that is hard to understand? allowing satan means Jesus' victory over satan on the cross was not complete..Satan has no power over us..

Jesus said satan comes to steal, kill and to destroy...Jesus says about himself.he came to give life to its fullest..how is allowing satan to steal kill and destroy life..how is that life to its abundance?

Jesus stood against satan..didnt tolerate..or make allowance for him in his ministry..he cast him out..rebuked..healed the sick..destroyed the devils work aka stealing killing and destroying

fear not for sure..thts true

HoneyComb Son,

Nothing happens without God's permission...

Job was "blameless and upright" in God's sight; He allowed Satan to test him. I'm not fighting with you.

12 The LORD said to Satan, Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger. Job 1:12

Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.
John 19:11

I am not fighting with you

thesunisout · Sep 11, 2011

First, it isn't right for you to just dismiss everything I've saying out of hand, as if we don't have the same teacher, the Holy Spirit. You say you've heard it all before, but if you disagree then present your argument with scripture. Just don't gloss over it and accuse me of spouting dead and out of context doctrine. We're supposed to reason together. Like this for example:

John 14:15

If you love me, you will obey what I command.

very very true...but taken out of context..what did Jesus command to do? to believe! many came to him and asked that remember..the asked..Lord what shall we do..for the works of God..and He said..this is what u shall do..believe in the one sent

King James Bible
"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

now if we love the Lord..one of the ten commandments is love the lord with all your soul..with all you strength...now remember the law was given to show men how impossible it was by law to be righteous or right before God..and in fact this is one of em..the only we we can fulfil this commandment..is by The Spirit...not by self effort..oh I love God..doesnt work like that..He First loved us..by that love..we love him..but even thats not perfect..cause if we were honest..we know we should love God more then we do..
but what has he commanded..to believe in the one sent..in Him!! and through his love for us..we will want to do where the Spirit leads us..for we live by the Spirit now not but the letter of the law

What you say is true, that we should believe in Jesus Christ, and through Him we can do all things. That we are able to fulfill His commands by and through His Spirit, and not under our own power. That's all true.

What you leave out is that by our wickedness we can willfully break His commands, and that although we need the Spirit of God to follow His commands, we are perfectly capable of ignoring that help and grieve the Holy Spirit by our tresspasses:

Ephesians 4:30

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

So by choosing to reject Gods help you are choosing to be powerless. There is no excuse for sin.

John 14:21

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

Jesus paid the price for sin..judgement and punishment I deserved..over 2000 years ago..what judgement or punishment for me did he not take...what sin I have committed or will commit in the future did he not know of or take on the cross..when he died..none..its finished..so whatver wicked behavior is not punished...God cannot punish me for what Jesus took..im free!..from sin and death...I cannot be punished for what Jesus took on the cross..remember Paul was right..we are free..all things we are free to do..but he said.not all things are profitable..that is the freedom of Christ we have!...set free from rules and the law

God hates sin, it is offensive to Him. It is no less offensive, before or after the cross. Just because you are forgiven ultimately doesn't mean God is going to tolerate wicked behavior:

Acts 5:3

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.

There are consequences to what we do in this life. God took Ananias' life for lying to the Holy Spirit. If you want to call it punishment or discipline, the fact is that willful sin and rebellious behavior are dealt with by God. You can't ignore this scripture:

Hebrews 10:26

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

God doesnt allow satan.....Satan is the prince of this world..before Jesus came and conquered at the cross..Satan had stolen authority..or the keys to hades and death ..Jesus at the cross disarmed him..NOW Jesus has all authority on heaven and earth.and the keys to death and hades
so ya..Satan is at work destroying people..this greater good..is another tradition of men..a concept made my man to explain why a good God lets bad happen..or allows it or whatever..truth is..we have free will..satan has free will..people make choices...and it kills..or hurts others..that is the truth..in a fallen world..God is sovereign..in that he is above all..and that he has let man choose..free will..even satan..choose..but that is what happens when u create things with free will..they dont always make good choices doesnt mean God is behind it...

Satan cannot steal anything from God; the only power he has is because God allowed him to have it, and to use and abuse it today. You don't seem to understand Satans role:

Revelation 12:10

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.

Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."

That's talking about Satan, and his role as the accuser of the brethern. He is like a prosecuting attorney, who makes his case against us based on the evidence of our trespasses against God. Now, this verse is speaking of a future event in which Satan will be cast out of Heaven permanently. Which means that as of now he still has access to Heaven to fulfill this role, until that time comes. Satan is allowed to tempt and test us. Scripture couldn't be more clear about it:

Luke 22:31-32

Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers."

As you can see, Satan demanded to have Simon and God gave Simon over to him to be tested, as indicated by the fact that Jesus prayed that his faith wouldn't fail in the testing.

John 13:27

As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,

Do you see Jesus casting Satan out of Judas in this passage? No, He allowed Satan to enter into him to do Gods work, for the greater good.

And again, Satan is allowed to do his work for the testing of the brethern:

Revelation 2:10

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

now with the scriptures of satan..totally taken out of context...OT..we arent OT..we are NT..under a new conventant

While we are not under law, it doesn't mean everything in the OT is invalid, or doesn't apply today. That is a serious mistake. There is much about Gods nature, His plan, and His prophecy for the end times in the OT. There is a spiritual application and dimension to everything in it. To dismiss it as invalid is ridiculous.

free..liberated..free from the curse of the law..which includes sickness.diseases..sufferings..etc poverty etc..all that is listed in the OT

We share abundently in Christs sufferings and afflictions:

2 Corinthians 1:3-5

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5For as we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too.

2 Corinthians 12:7

So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.

where the heck does it say its from the Lord..all I can read is..A MESSANGER FROM SATAN..lol

Read the passage carefully. A thorn was given to him to keep him from being prideful because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations he was receiving. That means he was given the thorn to benefit him, to keep him from pride. Satan doesn't do anything to benefit us, therefore it was the Lord who gave it to him.

and remember Jesus is an exact representation of the Father..where does Jesus let demons do their will...He CASTED them out...remember HE came to destroy the works of the devil..we have the authority to cast out satan..it doesnt say..limited authority if God allows the devil.it says all authority over satan to cast him out..Jesus went around healing the sick..casting out satan..not letting or allowing satan to do anything..

As I demonstrated earlier, God uses Satan to do his will. Again, do you see Jesus casting Satan out of Judas?:

John 13:27

As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,

u cannot say God is allowing satan or doing this in my life etc etc.have u heard a word from God..did he tell you? about me?

I can say it because the scripture says very plainly that it is true. God is allowing Satan to test you.

HoneyComb Son said:
im sorry but half what u said is taking things so out of context to what is actually meant by the word of God...God is soverign..but ur view of it is from the traditions of men..the scriptures u used are the very same scriptures people have used in the past..to defend the logic u representjust something to think about

meinabox · Sep 11, 2011

Hey
you could also practice saying "Get behind me, Satan! You are an offense to me" when you see him in your dreams if you want (Matthew 16:23)

HoneyComb Son · Sep 11, 2011

I can say it because the scripture says very plainly that it is true. God is allowing Satan to test you.

sigh....just because you say it..does not mean its right..nor does quoting scripture to prove your own understanding make it the truth..you've pulled scripture out of context to suit ur own understanding of scripture...

unfortunately..Paul was right..it is useless to get into spiritual pedigree's and debates..u may feel that your right..by having a better understanding or knowing more scripture..but even in the days of Jesus..those who thought they knew it all..couldnt be more wrong...aka the pharisees and seducees.the religious folk in his day

all I can say is..ur believing the lies of men or the devil..u do have God given truth.and ur a son of God..sweet..but what u talk of.is dead end religion...im not good at words but I can link to u what Im talking bout

no offense..well actually I dont really care..im against what you say.because it kills
2 Corinthians 12:7

So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.

again..where is the Lord in this..its pretty clear its from satan..so ya cant really help you there...it says a messanger from satan..not the lord..where is the lord in that passage??

here are the links:
New Covenant Grace » Message Archives
great site..u can scroll down to the messages of what we are talking about that can tell u what i believe

Introduction to the Real God/ Who is God
great site again..video message that explains what I know of God

sorry but God isnt allowing satan in my life..Jesus said in his commission..go out heal the sick cast out demons..spread the good news..so where in that commission is it said to allow satan..Jesus was tested..beaten bruised..took the sin of the world..all sins.all punishment on the cross

so where in that..what Jesus did..does God not tolerate..if God paid for my sin..past present and future..ther is nothing left..its been paid for..even the bad behavior in the future..paid for full..so whats left to not tolerate.its done..

God is not angry at us anymore..forever more....

it takes the Spirit of God to understand scripture to what He means it to mean..so I cant say im perfect..or have it all right..but what I can say with confidence...its about grace..and love...not law....I can say that God isnt allowing satan to test me..Jesus was tested for me..I can say God doesnt become intolerate with me..YES He hates sin with a passion..but Jesus paid the price..we have peace with good! sorry but God paid for all my sin..when he sees me..He sees Jesus...

again..we are told to cast out satan..heal the sick..raise the dead..where in that does our Lord tell us..if God willing or if God allows satan..no..he tells us to cast out satan..he is defeated done...judged sentenced and reduced to nothing

go to thos sites and scroll to related material..it will explain what im saying

again..does the Holy Spirit convict us ..can u provide a scripture to that that says the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin..

im pretty sure The Comforter convicts the world of sin in regards to unbelief in Jesus..and regard to righteous..because Jesus went to the Father.and in regard to Judgement because satan is already judged..thats what i read in the bible..no where does it say the Spirit convicts the believer of sin...thought for thought.

Truth is..we are under grace..we are free.from the law..do not touch..do not do.free from it...ya people abuse that...bet alot of christians who understand the message of grace go out and sin..or go on sin sprees..why? because they were only not sinning because of fear..and the letter of the law..once they realize they are free to do as they wish...I beat their flesh overtakes because they fully dont know the love of God or understand grace completely..but afterwards..alot come to realize..ya we reap what we sow..we find sin is fruitless..empty..painful...not because God is punishing us..but because sin equals death..we find it dead..empty..and we find ourselves back in Gods arms..wanting his way..because he brings fulfillment and a good life..that satisfy's us the why we wanted too

but that is the message of grace..we are truly free

in regards to OT..OT is great we learn of God..its good..but we are free dude form the law..which was OT..we are NT...under grace..God is still the same but he through Jesus he fullfillled the law..so taht we may be free'd from it...

so sorry...plainly NO..its a lie to say satan is allowed...we are not under law..but under grace..satan has no right nor power over us..we are told to cast him out

meinabox · Sep 11, 2011

HoneyComb Son said:
2 Corinthians 12:7

So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.

again..where is the Lord in this..its pretty clear its from satan..so ya cant really help you there...it says a messanger from satan..not the lord..where is the lord in that passage??

"a thorn was given to me in the flesh"

the thorn is the "messenger of satan"

The verse says, "to keep me from becoming conceited." Satan does not want "to keep you from becoming conceited." You know that, HoneyComb Son, because you've written it before. I've read it

HoneyComb Son · Sep 11, 2011

"to keep me from becoming conceited."

ur quite right..but no where in that passage is the name of the Lord given..how can you get the Lord from that.ur assuming somethign without actually having the Lord's name on it...Paul said it..however..its made clear its a messanger of satan...im not sure where u are getting the Lord sent it

thesunisout · Sep 11, 2011

Now you're being deliberately ignorant. We are told to reason together and instead of addressing what I am saying, you just dismiss it all as out of context. I made several key points which were most definitely not out of context.

Answer these questions:

If God doesn't discipline believers for sin, why did He take Ananias' life (and his wifes) for lying to the Holy Spirit?

Acts 5:3

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.

If God doesn't use Satan for the greater good, why didn't He cast Satan out of Judas?

John 13:27

As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,

If God doesn't use Satan to test people, why does He say here that they will be thrown in prison by Satan to be tested?:

Revelation 2:10

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

And again, why does God allow Satan to have Peter?

Luke 22:31-32

Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers."

How is it, with everything you have said, that Satan has tormented you this whole time? If God doesn't allow Satan to test you, then it means that God doesn't want Satan in your life. If that is true, why isn't the Holy Spirit able to overcome Satan? Is Satan stronger than the Holy Spirit?

Do you have any answers for these questions?

HoneyComb Son said:
I can say it because the scripture says very plainly that it is true. God is allowing Satan to test you.

sigh....just because you say it..does not mean its right..nor does quoting scripture to prove your own understanding make it the truth..you've pulled scripture out of context to suit ur own understanding of scripture...

unfortunately..Paul was right..it is useless to get into spiritual pedigree's and debates..u may feel that your right..by having a better understanding or knowing more scripture..but even in the days of Jesus..those who thought they knew it all..couldnt be more wrong...aka the pharisees and seducees.the religious folk in his day

all I can say is..ur believing the lies of men or the devil..u do have God given truth.and ur a son of God..sweet..but what u talk of.is dead end religion...im not good at words but I can link to u what Im talking bout

no offense..well actually I dont really care..im against what you say.because it kills
2 Corinthians 12:7

So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.

again..where is the Lord in this..its pretty clear its from satan..so ya cant really help you there...it says a messanger from satan..not the lord..where is the lord in that passage??

here are the links:
New Covenant Grace » Message Archives
great site..u can scroll down to the messages of what we are talking about that can tell u what i believe

Introduction to the Real God/ Who is God
great site again..video message that explains what I know of God

sorry but God isnt allowing satan in my life..Jesus said in his commission..go out heal the sick cast out demons..spread the good news..so where in that commission is it said to allow satan..Jesus was tested..beaten bruised..took the sin of the world..all sins.all punishment on the cross

so where in that..what Jesus did..does God not tolerate..if God paid for my sin..past present and future..ther is nothing left..its been paid for..even the bad behavior in the future..paid for full..so whats left to not tolerate.its done..

God is not angry at us anymore..forever more....

it takes the Spirit of God to understand scripture to what He means it to mean..so I cant say im perfect..or have it all right..but what I can say with confidence...its about grace..and love...not law....I can say that God isnt allowing satan to test me..Jesus was tested for me..I can say God doesnt become intolerate with me..YES He hates sin with a passion..but Jesus paid the price..we have peace with good! sorry but God paid for all my sin..when he sees me..He sees Jesus...

again..we are told to cast out satan..heal the sick..raise the dead..where in that does our Lord tell us..if God willing or if God allows satan..no..he tells us to cast out satan..he is defeated done...judged sentenced and reduced to nothing

go to thos sites and scroll to related material..it will explain what im saying

again..does the Holy Spirit convict us ..can u provide a scripture to that that says the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin..

im pretty sure The Comforter convicts the world of sin in regards to unbelief in Jesus..and regard to righteous..because Jesus went to the Father.and in regard to Judgement because satan is already judged..thats what i read in the bible..no where does it say the Spirit convicts the believer of sin...thought for thought.

Truth is..we are under grace..we are free.from the law..do not touch..do not do.free from it...ya people abuse that...bet alot of christians who understand the message of grace go out and sin..or go on sin sprees..why? because they were only not sinning because of fear..and the letter of the law..once they realize they are free to do as they wish...I beat their flesh overtakes because they fully dont know the love of God or understand grace completely..but afterwards..alot come to realize..ya we reap what we sow..we find sin is fruitless..empty..painful...not because God is punishing us..but because sin equals death..we find it dead..empty..and we find ourselves back in Gods arms..wanting his way..because he brings fulfillment and a good life..that satisfy's us the why we wanted too

but that is the message of grace..we are truly free

in regards to OT..OT is great we learn of God..its good..but we are free dude form the law..which was OT..we are NT...under grace..God is still the same but he through Jesus he fullfillled the law..so taht we may be free'd from it...

so sorry...plainly NO..its a lie to say satan is allowed...we are not under law..but under grace..satan has no right nor power over us..we are told to cast him out

waves · Sep 11, 2011

I think that you are going through a process. I have had certain issues for years and I still continue to this day with these same issues, however with time God has helped me to deal with those issues, not totally removing it from me. For example for years I have had a physical problem and nothing I did was a permanent help, I prayed, went to the doctor, I did everything, one day when I was praying about it God brought me a revelation about that particular sickness. Why did God wait that long to tell me anything? I am reminded of the scripture in Isaiah 55 verse 8:

Isaiah 55 verse 8

[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

I have had my shares of demonic, disturbing dreams as well so I understand what you are going through.

Also as I have said to someone else here remember to use the bible as a sword. When you can during the day and upon waking up from sleeping. Upon waking up from a dream you can command every demonic spirit to leave you alone in the name of Jesus Christ. Thereafter you can also think on and speak scriptures in regards to your situation (for about 15 minutes or less, do what you can manage).

So for example you can say "For God has not given me a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind". (2 Timothy 1 verse 7) You can say that for about 15 minutes or less, do only what you can manage.

You can also say "I am strong in the Lord and in the power of his might" (Ephesians 6 verse 10)

You can find other bible scriptures as well to speak and think on that is relevant to your situation.

Every morning I use to wake up in a bad mood and what God did was to encourage me to speak the scripture "This is the day that the Lord has made I will rejoice and be glad in it (Psalms 118 verse 24) every morning. About two weeks after that I noticed that I wasn't in a bad mood as I use to be in the mornings.

HoneyComb Son · Sep 11, 2011

thesunisout..you arent addressing key points your taking scripture out of context and using it to fufill your own understanding of scripture..u havent explained anything but only a "whack" doctrine that makes no sense of that Jesus did on the cross..I linked to u a websites or websites that explains some of the answers you keep asking me..go there..it answers it pretty darn well..I dont have the time to go or hours to argue about this...

alot of what ur implying is before the cross..before Jesus died on the cross..before it was finished..even still...it goes against one thing that jesus commanded us to do..

heal the sick.

cast out demons

what part of the command to cast out demons..includes..if but..or what..if God wills..what part of Jesus coming or destroying the works of the devil..includes if God allows?

im not avoiding your answers.im asking them the best way I can..but u are set on pulling scripture out of meaning and context..picking and choosing obivious scriptures used by others like yourself that defend ur own doctrine..

you have to look at scritpure threw the eyes of the finished work of the cross..Jesus paid the price for all sin..all sickness..all disease..he defeated satan...disarmed him completely..now he has no power over the believer..

look with eyes of the finished work of Jesus....who after died..rose again and now sits at the right hand of the Father..who commanded us to go heal the sick..raise the dead..cast out demons.

so saying satan is allowed..goes against the work of Christ...Jesus died for our sins..our punishment..he died to defeat satan..to destroy the works of satan

how is allowing satan to steal kill and destroy not go against the very words of Jesus..who said..I come to give life!..to its fulliest..who came to the destroy the works fo the devil

allowing satan..doesnt make since..since thats what Jesus came to do..destroy the devils work

how is it that your doctrine and beliefs..go against the finished work of Christ..his word

anyone can pick out scripture and mis use it for their own belief.and believe they are right....

I can pick out scripture too and make a solid doctrine that would suggest God wants slavery again.....but I know that is not truth..

"How is it, with everything you have said, that Satan has tormented you this whole time? If God doesn't allow Satan to test you, then it means that God doesn't want Satan in your life. If that is true, why isn't the Holy Spirit able to overcome Satan? Is Satan stronger than the Holy Spirit?"

again this is ur assumption of why satan is bothering me..YOUR assumption..not truth.did God tell you this? Did His Spirit whisper to you "Hey im allowing Satan to torement HoneyComb Son to test him" Did he tell you..because I know some other christians get freed from Satan..so its a situational thing...so God must of told you..am I right?

instead of dismissing me..go to the two weblinks..easy I linked the very pages to the questions you asked..i linked them because I dont waste hours on this comp..debating and argueing...read again..I answered the best I could...

"If that is true, why isn't the Holy Spirit able to overcome Satan? Is Satan stronger than the Holy Spirit?"

seriously dude..just dude..dude..sigh....really..this is a no brainer.and im not compliamenting you here on it...

every Christian as the Holy Spirit in them..how is allowing satan to "test" not demean the power The Holy Spirit has to cast them out in Jesus name..which Jesus commanded us to do...imagine..The Spirit of God in a believer..and a demon stuck on a believers face telling lies to them hurting them..but is "allowed"...isnt it greivous to The Spirit for Him to allow this evil spirit to "sin" against the believer..because that is whats it is doing..did not Jesus by the power of the Spirit..cast out satan...did not Jesus give us the Spirit to do his ministry..cast out demons..and if the Spirit of God is called in His power to do the work of Jesus his commission..how is it right..that God allows or contradict himself in allowing satan "test" or steal kill or destroy when in Jesus name His Spirit casts out demons...?

just a thought

I have to go now..im gonna have fun.and do other stuff because agrue..nite nite

meinabox · Sep 12, 2011

k
bye

thesunisout · Sep 12, 2011

Again, you refuse to answer anything directly and just say it's all out of context. You refuse to reason together, and reasoning together is not linking to websites and dismissing everything I say. I did give you post cross examples, not that it particularly matters in regards to how God uses Satan to accomplish His will. You can't explain why God took Ananias' life for lying to the Holy Spirit. You can't explain why Jesus said people in the church would be thrown into prison by Satan for testing. You can't explain why Jesus didn't cast Satan out of Judas. What is clear at this point is that you're just completely stubborn and unwillingly to listen. I'm sorry, but the blood of Jesus doesn't cover habitual willfull and deliberate sin. Scripture is clear that there is no sacrifice left for those who try to manipulate grace, as if the blood of Jesus is a free pass for them to sin. That is something God will definitely discipline you for. So, all I can do at this point is pray that God will deliver you. I doubt though it is going to happen until you learn what God is trying to teach you from this trial. You aren't going to realize that though until you see that you are not a victim of Satan, that there is no such thing. All that is is an excuse. So, have "fun".

HoneyComb Son said:
thesunisout..you arent addressing key points your taking scripture out of context and using it to fufill your own understanding of scripture..u havent explained anything but only a "whack" doctrine that makes no sense of that Jesus did on the cross..I linked to u a websites or websites that explains some of the answers you keep asking me..go there..it answers it pretty darn well..I dont have the time to go or hours to argue about this...

alot of what ur implying is before the cross..before Jesus died on the cross..before it was finished..even still...it goes against one thing that jesus commanded us to do..

heal the sick.

cast out demons

what part of the command to cast out demons..includes..if but..or what..if God wills..what part of Jesus coming or destroying the works of the devil..includes if God allows?

im not avoiding your answers.im asking them the best way I can..but u are set on pulling scripture out of meaning and context..picking and choosing obivious scriptures used by others like yourself that defend ur own doctrine..

you have to look at scritpure threw the eyes of the finished work of the cross..Jesus paid the price for all sin..all sickness..all disease..he defeated satan...disarmed him completely..now he has no power over the believer..

look with eyes of the finished work of Jesus....who after died..rose again and now sits at the right hand of the Father..who commanded us to go heal the sick..raise the dead..cast out demons.

so saying satan is allowed..goes against the work of Christ...Jesus died for our sins..our punishment..he died to defeat satan..to destroy the works of satan

how is allowing satan to steal kill and destroy not go against the very words of Jesus..who said..I come to give life!..to its fulliest..who came to the destroy the works fo the devil

allowing satan..doesnt make since..since thats what Jesus came to do..destroy the devils work

how is it that your doctrine and beliefs..go against the finished work of Christ..his word

anyone can pick out scripture and mis use it for their own belief.and believe they are right....

I can pick out scripture too and make a solid doctrine that would suggest God wants slavery again.....but I know that is not truth..

"How is it, with everything you have said, that Satan has tormented you this whole time? If God doesn't allow Satan to test you, then it means that God doesn't want Satan in your life. If that is true, why isn't the Holy Spirit able to overcome Satan? Is Satan stronger than the Holy Spirit?"

again this is ur assumption of why satan is bothering me..YOUR assumption..not truth.did God tell you this? Did His Spirit whisper to you "Hey im allowing Satan to torement HoneyComb Son to test him" Did he tell you..because I know some other christians get freed from Satan..so its a situational thing...so God must of told you..am I right?

instead of dismissing me..go to the two weblinks..easy I linked the very pages to the questions you asked..i linked them because I dont waste hours on this comp..debating and argueing...read again..I answered the best I could...

"If that is true, why isn't the Holy Spirit able to overcome Satan? Is Satan stronger than the Holy Spirit?"

seriously dude..just dude..dude..sigh....really..this is a no brainer.and im not compliamenting you here on it...

every Christian as the Holy Spirit in them..how is allowing satan to "test" not demean the power The Holy Spirit has to cast them out in Jesus name..which Jesus commanded us to do...imagine..The Spirit of God in a believer..and a demon stuck on a believers face telling lies to them hurting them..but is "allowed"...isnt it greivous to The Spirit for Him to allow this evil spirit to "sin" against the believer..because that is whats it is doing..did not Jesus by the power of the Spirit..cast out satan...did not Jesus give us the Spirit to do his ministry..cast out demons..and if the Spirit of God is called in His power to do the work of Jesus his commission..how is it right..that God allows or contradict himself in allowing satan "test" or steal kill or destroy when in Jesus name His Spirit casts out demons...?

just a thought

I have to go now..im gonna have fun.and do other stuff because agrue..nite nite

rudez · Sep 12, 2011

HoneyComb Son said:
I have no idea..if can go through this..or if this is right...

but nearly a decade..well ever since I came to Christ..ive always dreamt of Satan..I have a very shaky past..and hurtful experience..with spiritual things..being lead astray with this kind of stuff..decieved and led almost to insanity..

but I dont know gonna share this again....always dream of satan..its him always speaking lies to me..or coming as an angel of light or Jesus

another thing that is constant...is I always use the name of Jesus..or the word.or praise..but in these visions/dreams..it never works..the devil laughs..and I can feel God is not there..in these dreams....He just laughs.and mocks what I say in Jesus name or the word..

just had to share this...

LOL.
This dream is simply representing your fear in satan and your "no faith" in Jesus.See,you're worried about these visions ? It means inside you're fearing the satan.If you're not fearing the satan,you would have ignored all of these visions.You should ignore all these visions and Another version of this dream can be that your fear of satan cheating you is more than the faith you have on Lord.

Consider this dream as a strong warning from THE LORD itself and that is DONOT FEAR THE SATAN,BUT HAVE YOU FAITH ON THE LORD !

HoneyComb Son · Sep 12, 2011

thesunisout...

you show your true colours my friend..the blood of Jesus covers all sin..if your gonna be that way..sorry there..you refuse to go outside your box you have constructed yourself about God..and expect answers a certain way..in fact I have answered many questions..JUST not the way you wanted..and linking sites..does that offend you? sorry bro/sis I cant explain every lil detail.and im not gonna spend hours on here doing it..ive made plenty of details..

again your not realizing the finished work of Jesus..He took all our sin all time..habitual sin every sin for everyone one of us..He said it is finished?!so instead of harsh comebacks how you are right asking for everything to explain in detail the way you want..sorry just cant do that..

you know..Ill pray for you too bro/sis..that you may know the love of God..and how completely forgiven and loved you are!..and I pray that you be delivered from man made doctrines and doctrines of devils..That the Spirit of Grace show you the truth that is found in Jesus Christ...but like you said of me..doubt you will..

just so stubborn and unwilling..I pray God will discipline you with His word and love..that you know how loved you truly are!..and that you dont have to try..or be justified by the law..but u are already justified in him!..

so bro/sis..you've thrown out reasoning for doctrine and man made religion...there is no no sacrfice left for sins..but a fearful expectation of judgment..those that want to be justified by works or faith mixed together..

Ill pray to..God will use Satan to test you in this too..to show and allow Satan to kill steal and destroy..no worries its for a greater good....ill just ignore the Command Jesus gave who was filled with The Spirit..to cast out demons and heal the sick..ill ignore why Jesus said he came to destroy the works of satan

but its ok..your right...by your doctrine..God allows it...Jesus truly didnt come to destroy the devils work...they work together..but God is the boss...satan jus the tool

Jesus said himself...if a kingdom is divided it cannot stand..

ill be praying..for you!

"but the blood of Jesus doesn't cover habitual willfull and deliberate sin."

that is borderline blasphemous you do realize..if you wanna play this ball game....
you do realize Christians willfully sin all the time..if they submit to temptation and make the choice to sin..not trusting in Jesus or His love..they willfully sin...yet Christians do this everyday...so its habitual and willful..or if you over eat..thats habitual..yet so many christians in america willfully overeat and justify it..I guess they are doomed..or habtifually judge people..thats sin too..I guess we are all doomed by ur standard

again

"but the blood of Jesus doesn't cover habitual willfull and deliberate sin."

that is blaspehmous and a slander to the work of Jesus Christ our Savior..was HIs blood not enough to cleanse us for all time..guess not

thesunisout · Sep 13, 2011

Christians who go on willfully sinning, thinking to themselves its okay and that they can do whatever they want now because the blood of Jesus covers them..they are the ones making a mockery of His sacrifice for us on the cross. They are the ones ruining Christs reputation in the world. They are the ones who aren't realizing the finished work of Jesus. The finished work of Jesus liberates us from our sin nature. We are made dead to sin, and alive to His righteousness. It is what changes us, and makes us want to obey God. It makes obedience to God sweet and the taste of sin bitter. It makes us come to hate sin, just as God hates sin. Someone who meets the living God and isn't transformed, who continues on with his wicked lifestyle and is full of excuses and hypocripsy, who stubbornly refuses to change and just throws up his hands, that one is in danger of hellfire. You know a tree by its fruits.

Hebrews 10:26-27

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

I have not blasphemed by telling you the truth. Here it is, plain is day. People who try to manipulate grace will be under the same judgement that the enemies of God receive.

Matthew 24:48

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.

The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Do you see what that is saying? The servant who doesn't do His Lords will but falls into a wicked lifestyle will be assigned a place in the outer darkness with the unsaved.

2 Peter 2:20-21

If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit, and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”

Do you see that? Can you read? It is plain as day. Those who come to know Jesus can fall away from Him, and it will be worse off for them than it was before they knew Him.

Hebrews 6:5-6

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.

But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

Do you see that? Are you blind? It's impossible even to bring such people back into repentance. It is because they have become totally arrogant and self-assured towards God. "In the end it will be burned"

It's become obvious that you live by the unscriptural "Once Saved Always Saved" heresay. Here is the verse that destroys it completely:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

You can lose your salvation. That's why Jesus told us to fear God. That's why we should seek out our salvation with fear and trembling. It's not anything you should think you can play around with. God is loving towards us, but when that love is trampled and spit on repeatedly and without remorse, can you expect that judgement isn't far behind?. His patience ran out with Ananias', who upon lying to the Holy Spirit, received a death sentence on the spot. So when you're having "fun", remember that this isn't a game. God is loving, but He is also Holy, and sin is offensive to Him. Don't test the Lord thy God.

HoneyComb Son said:
thesunisout...

you show your true colours my friend..the blood of Jesus covers all sin..if your gonna be that way..sorry there..you refuse to go outside your box you have constructed yourself about God..and expect answers a certain way..in fact I have answered many questions..JUST not the way you wanted..and linking sites..does that offend you? sorry bro/sis I cant explain every lil detail.and im not gonna spend hours on here doing it..ive made plenty of details..

again your not realizing the finished work of Jesus..He took all our sin all time..habitual sin every sin for everyone one of us..He said it is finished?!so instead of harsh comebacks how you are right asking for everything to explain in detail the way you want..sorry just cant do that..

you know..Ill pray for you too bro/sis..that you may know the love of God..and how completely forgiven and loved you are!..and I pray that you be delivered from man made doctrines and doctrines of devils..That the Spirit of Grace show you the truth that is found in Jesus Christ...but like you said of me..doubt you will..

just so stubborn and unwilling..I pray God will discipline you with His word and love..that you know how loved you truly are!..and that you dont have to try..or be justified by the law..but u are already justified in him!..

so bro/sis..you've thrown out reasoning for doctrine and man made religion...there is no no sacrfice left for sins..but a fearful expectation of judgment..those that want to be justified by works or faith mixed together..

Ill pray to..God will use Satan to test you in this too..to show and allow Satan to kill steal and destroy..no worries its for a greater good....ill just ignore the Command Jesus gave who was filled with The Spirit..to cast out demons and heal the sick..ill ignore why Jesus said he came to destroy the works of satan

but its ok..your right...by your doctrine..God allows it...Jesus truly didnt come to destroy the devils work...they work together..but God is the boss...satan jus the tool

Jesus said himself...if a kingdom is divided it cannot stand..

ill be praying..for you!

"but the blood of Jesus doesn't cover habitual willfull and deliberate sin."

that is borderline blasphemous you do realize..if you wanna play this ball game....
you do realize Christians willfully sin all the time..if they submit to temptation and make the choice to sin..not trusting in Jesus or His love..they willfully sin...yet Christians do this everyday...so its habitual and willful..or if you over eat..thats habitual..yet so many christians in america willfully overeat and justify it..I guess they are doomed..or habtifually judge people..thats sin too..I guess we are all doomed by ur standard

again

"but the blood of Jesus doesn't cover habitual willfull and deliberate sin."

that is blaspehmous and a slander to the work of Jesus Christ our Savior..was HIs blood not enough to cleanse us for all time..guess not

HoneyComb Son · Sep 13, 2011

well it comes to this doesnt it..we both disagree with each others beliefs.and that is where it will have to end..I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe..

dont take this as your victory..take this as for both of us to just accept to disagree..which is fine...

in MY opinion..u are greivious taking scripture out of context to suite ur man made doctrine..nullfiying the power of the cross..to put which Jesus took away..the yoke of slavery aka the law back onto believers

you cant lose your salvation..we are one spirit with the Lord..one in spirit..you can cut away someone who is ONE with God away after being born again..as you cant nuffly the Spirits promise to never leave us nor forsake us..which scriptures so taken out of context when the writers of those books wrote to certain people in certain areas..

but its futile to continuous this disagreement any further..again you believe what you believe.and I believe what I believe

and there it wil have to end..its futile wastes time...God loves you...blessings

just dont forget what Jesus did at the cross

always dreaming of satan..:(

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